Towering Inferno in Caracas is still standing!

[RebelYell]

Funny how the steel didn't melt.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/18/world/main649824.shtml

[PerpetualYnquisitive]

1. Some Monday Humour

<sarcasm>
It's from CBS, which more than likely means this is a false report to cast suspicion about why WTC 7 collapsed into its own footprint on 9/11. In the next few hours FAUXNews will release EXCLUSIVE footage of that same tower, showing its collapse and decrying CBS for their 'shoody' journalism and trying to distort the facts of 9/11 to gain market share.

Andy Rooney will then do a 60 Minutes segment, LIVE, where he is implanted with a VeriChip that is directly tracked by the Department of Homeland Security to show his support for America and recommend that it be manditory for all citizens of North America to protect us from terrorists.

This act by Rooney will keep the F.C.C. from revoking their broadcasting license and also stave off a planned military strike on CBS HQ.
</sarcasm>

[DulceDecorum]

2. PNAC was not involved,

Chavez is beloved by his people,
and the economy of Venezuela is not in free-fall.
Therefore, the steel obeyed the laws of physics.

[carlvs]

3. Of course you did leave off two things...

Like the fact the fire burned more slowly than at the two WTC towers (17 hours to cover 26 floors) ...or that from the look of the pictures that this building has a very different structure than WTC 1 & 2 (multiple smaller tower structures combined into one building instead of having vast "open" floor areas between the outer skin & the central "core".)

These two factors are what likely saved this building, and even then the report mentioned that two floors and several stairwells had collapsed from the heat.

[stickdog]

15. And what factors "saved" every other steel framed high rise in history?

It's funny how the WTC towers are now the rule rather the exception, ennit?

[tngledwebb]

4. sorrry ,dupes due to computer problems

[tngledwebb]

5. Don't be silly.

Any ACTUAL evidence that would undermine- no pun intended- the Official Con. Theory that the WTC falls were (although of course a once in an eternity chance phenomenon, never to be duplicated, ) merely the result of an unforeseen and unimaginable confluence of disparate events,( ie the just about right amount of jet fuel plus bad building design plus the neccessary plane trajectories plus the utterly incompotent and unprepared USAF plus unprepared incompotent NYC emergency services plus the incredible luck and flying skills of OBL's box cutter wielding ME JDS)....just won't wash. With OCT supporters anyway.

[tngledwebb]

6. Another dupe.sorry

[vincent_vega_lives]

7. Did you even read it?

" Military helicopters doused one of Venezuela's tallest buildings with water Sunday, bringing under control a blaze many feared might cause the tower to collapse.

Earlier, nearby residences and businesses were evacuated. Two floors and some staircases in the building collapsed. But by Sunday afternoon, the temperature inside the burning building had dropped, lessening the danger of a collapse, Caracas fire chief Rodolfo Briceno said. "

[RebelYell]

8. My point is it didn't implode on itself n/t

[vincent_vega_lives]

9. It almost did

What do you think would have happened if the fires hadn't been extinguished by helicopter? Two floors had already collapsed.

[RebelYell]

10. I can't say, I'm not an engineer

I guess we didn't have choppers available on 9/11.

[vincent_vega_lives]

11. So then why did you?

What was the point?

[RebelYell]

12. Why did I what?

A tall building made of steel and glass burned for 17 hours. 2 floors collapsed, but the steel didn't.

Where were the choppers on 9/11?

That is all.

[vincent_vega_lives]

13. I guess you know better than them...

Earlier in the day, officials expressed fears that the building might collapse.

"There is a problem because the building is made of steel. Because of the high temperatures, the structure could collapse," Interior minister Jesse Chacon told President Hugo Chavez during his weekly radio and television show.

Also this building didn't have extensive structual damage caused by impacting airliners, nor doused in lighter fluid in the form of jet fuel, even then the fire was pretty hot. The helicopters wouldn't have been much good in the case of the WTC as it would have been doubtfull the water ever would have reached the fire. This building is half the size of the WTC. BTW the steel didn't melt, didn't even have to come close.

[PerpetualYnquisitive]

14. Not WTC 1 or 2, but 7.

Also this building didn't have extensive structual damage caused by impacting airliners, nor doused in lighter fluid in the form of jet fuel, even then the fire was pretty hot. The helicopters wouldn't have been much good in the case of the WTC as it would have been doubtfull the water ever would have reached the fire. This building is half the size of the WTC. BTW the steel didn't melt, didn't even have to come close.

Almost matches the dimensions of WTC 7, which was a 47 story building that collapsed due to fires that burned for only half the time as the building in Venezuela.

Any theories about this?

Learn all about building 7 here: http://www.wtc7.net/

No jet impact, no huge kerosene spill over several floors, yet miraculously it just toppled over into its own footprint, supposedly unaided.

BTW, got a rebuttal to my post about your post saying Northwoods didn't mention anything about harming anyone yet? (that thread was locked) http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x22800#22832

[LARED]

16. Any theories about this?

Yes

It was decided to let WTC 7 burn.

The fire in the other building was fought.

Which just goes to show you that firefighting works. Who woud'da imagined that?

[MrSammo1]

17. Wing TV

There's a good show about the WTC and building 7.

It will be on till about 7:00PM EST

http://69.28.73.17/index.html

[impe]

18. yEAH

i BET they'll call this one a cold fire as opposed to a hot fire. iMAGINE helicopter's putting out a fire, you
brought up an excellent point, where were ours in NY?! I would call a fire that burned for 17 hours pretty hot and
how does pirate lafeet know how hot the temperatures actually reached.

[tngledwebb]

19. Hate to imagine this but

wonder what it would have looked like if this building had been allowed to burn and eventually collapse. How fast the drop, for example, into it's own 'footprint' or tilting over, and how much and what type billowing dust, etc?