While you were in here bickering about who knocked down the buildings

[whatchamacallit]

the Bush administration and it's partners attacked, and likely destroyed, America. Arguing that our government would never be complicit in 911, is kind of silly considering what we *know* they did to us, dwarfs 911 a thousand times over. While they were presumably protecting you from scary men in caves, they were actually busy murdering your futures with their economic policies. But hey, hang onto your cherished beliefs about white hats and black hats, you're going to need them to buoy your spirits when you're dumpster diving to feed your kids.

[AZCat]

1. While I generally agree with your sentiment...

some of us have been working to improve the prospects for the future of the United States. Others, it seems, have difficulty understanding how such changes come about.

[seemslikeadream]

2. my my with all those hobbies how do you find the time?

and then there's telling people who you have no idea what is happening in their private lives how to spend their time. With all that how do you find the time to save the world, superman?

[AZCat]

3. It's not just a hobby.

It's my job. Nor do I think I'm saving the world, but I sure am making a hell of a lot more difference than somebody who just spends his day posting on the internet.

[seemslikeadream]

4. so judgemental without any clue or can you see my life through your screen?

and what are you doing here now? Don't you have lives to save? Or have you done all that saving thing already?

[AZCat]

5. You're so vain...

you probably thought that post was about you.

[seemslikeadream]

7. no unlike yourself just have a really good memory especially for an exchange or two

that happened minutes ago and not so much on that "coincidence" thing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=233193&mesg_id=233261

[AZCat]

8. That's just pathetic.

I have been saying the same damn thing for years, slad. Not everything in this forum is about you.

[seemslikeadream]

9. OK whatever I actually have never followed your posts,

I don't have time for that, I was just going by our exchanges

[AZCat]

10. That could be excused, given the recent exchange.

The sentiment, however, isn't directed at any one person.

[jberryhill]

13. Oh is that who it is

With an appropriate ignore list, *none* of the forum is.

[AZCat]

23. I just take forced breaks from the internet.

I occasionally get lucky and get sent to the field for a week where I don't have access to the internet. It's kind of a "blanket" ignore list - does wonders for my perspective.

[Bolo Boffin]

6. Assuming you can judge any person completely on the basis of their posting here

is the height of effrontery.

[RC]

11. Especially when posts with valid judgments concerning the noise machine keep getting deleted.

No wonder we have trouble judging some people here. :sarcasm:

[Bolo Boffin]

14. The reason posts get deleted here are because they have uncivils attacks of another DU member or

they link to hate sites. Those are the only reasons I've seen. If you think differently, I wonder why you keep posting here.

[LARED]

12. Just to be clear

you believe the financial mess we find ourselves in was done on purpose by the Bush administration?

[reinvestigate911]

15. probably just an accident LARED. go back to sleep, your 401K is probably still there. n/t

[LARED]

17. It's a bit unclear how the status of my 401K in anyway

relates to whether the financial concerns we face was "made to happen on purpose" or if it is the consequence of bad judgment and decisions by Bush, Congress, and our financial institutions.

[mrgerbik]

18. how many 'bad decsions' need to be made

before you can come to a reasonable conclusion that these guys were working with criminal intent?

you must be a very forgiving guy...

the total incompetence theory is absolute bullshit, imo

[reinvestigate911]

19. shock doctrine

i don't agree with everything she says but she talks about the issues competently and correlates the bailout, its timing, and the involved players in such a way that it's almost impossible to understand it without seeing it in a political context. when viewed in this way, it's difficult to deny that there isn't criminal intent here.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080929/naomibanks_video">Naomi Klein on Bank Bailouts & Bush
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081110/naomibailout_video">Naomi Klein Breaks Down the Bailout
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20081201/klein">In Praise of a Rocky Transition

[LARED]

20. Lets assume you are correct.

Can you clearly state how Bush, Congress, and our financial institutions benefited by the situation?

[reinvestigate911]

21. it's a sad day when this has to be explained to the so-called "debunker" crowd at DU

do you want me to burp you, as well?

why don't you start here:
http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2006/06/dirty-secrets-of-temple.html">DIRTY SECRETS OF THE TEMPLE
(a review of http://books.google.com/books?id=JxSU5I58L-wC">Secrets of the Temple, By William Greider)

...and then take a look at the current problem:
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/beat_the_press_archive?month=02&year=2009&base_name=dealing_with_bankrupt_banks_na">Dealing With BANKRUPT Banks: Nationalization or Welfare
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/the-role-of-government-ke_b_159031.html">The Role of Government: Keeping the Wealthy Rich

...and finally these:
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2009/02/government-of-banks-by-banks-and-for.html">Government of the Banks, By the Banks and For the Banks

please tell me that you're intelligent enough to understand why the USG has no business buying up the banks' bad paper with YOUR MONEY... and COMPLETELY OVERPAYING FOR IT in the process (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aAvhtiFdLyaQ">which they are telling us they *need* to do in order to keep the banks "solvent").

finally, look at the past few years... or even just this past year; the bush administration created the perfect storm for this to happen:

1. lowered interest rates:
   Fed cuts interest rates; Bush optimistic about economic stimulus, January 2008
   http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2008/01/fed-cuts-intere.html
   
2. de-regulated wall street:
   Bush Administration To Unveil Broadest Overhaul Of Wall Street Regulation Since Great Depression, March 2008
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/29/bush-administration-to-un_n_94066.html
   
3. printed more money:
   Bush Says More Cash Infusions May Be Needed to ‘Safeguard Our Financial System’, November 2008
   http://www.cnsnews.com/Public/Content/Article.aspx?rsrcid=39839
   
4. introducing "the ways and means":
   the ubiquitous http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/sep/30/5">"NINJA" mortgage applications of bush's last term which were underscored by his 2004 campaign's "http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/presidentbush/2008/10/blame-bush.html">ownership society" meme...

[greyl]

22. None of that answers the simple question posed to you. nt

[Name removed]

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[greyl]

25. Do you believe you're clearly explaining anything?

Remember, your task is to clearly state how our currently broken world is actually due to the malevolent competence of the bush admin and banking industry, not incompetence.

[reinvestigate911]

27. i accepted no such task

go read a book.

[greyl]

30. I can't imagine why. nt

[reinvestigate911]

31. because he never requested it?

Can you clearly state how Bush, Congress, and our financial institutions benefited by the situation?

[LARED]

26. It's quite the normal day when the CT crowd can't provide

an answer to a simple question.

To be clear, I'm not saying I stimulus package is good. I'm not saying the stimulus package hurts the banks, in fact it props up many rich people. But that has little to do with "did they make this happen on purpose?" And if they did WHY?

So how does anyone benefit by creating the financial mess? Right now you are telling me the stimulus package is bailing out the guilty, Ok, It's quite unclear how bailing them out of the mess is more advantageous to them rather than them not causing the problem in the first place.

[reinvestigate911]

28. what the fuck is your point?

it's re-concentration of wealth and power.
it's what's been happening around here since the first cells divided.

[LARED]

32. I was hoping for more than a slogan

It is a simple question. If "they" created the financial situation on purpose, there must be a reason to do so rather than leaving things the way they were. What is it?

[reinvestigate911]

29. thesis, antithesis, synthesis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialectic#Hegelian_dialectic
http://nord.twu.net/acl/dialectic.html#four
http://nikiraapana.blogspot.com/2008/04/abstract-anti-communitarian-manifesto.html

[LARED]

33. Excellent idea

Tell you what, you develop a thesis as to why Bush made the financial mess happen on purpose, and I'll provide the antithesis.

Then we have something to discuss.

[Name removed]

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[JuniperLea]

36. Don't forget "dark pools of liquidity"

This topic is getting a lot of attention lately. No wonder as to why.

Google it and be prepared to be shocked... or not.

[Bolo Boffin]

37. I keep getting H.P. Lovecraft sites. n/t

[JuniperLea]

38. You should bone up on your Google skillz... they are sadly lacking...

Dark pools of liquidity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJan 12, 2009 ... Dark pools of liquidity (also dark pools or dark liquidity) are crossing networks that provide liquidity that is not displayed on order ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_pools_of_liquidity - 29k - Cached - Similar pages
Dark Pool LiquidityDark Pool Liquidity - Definition of Dark Pool Liquidity on Investopedia - A slang term that refers to the trading volume created from institutional orders, ...
www.investopedia.com/terms/d/dark_pool_liquidity.asp - 26k - Cached - Similar pages
Dipping Into Dark Pools of LiquidityAs private crossing networks and related nonquoting sources of liquidity, known as "dark books," vie for market share among block traders, they are creating ...
www.financetech.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=187900280 - Similar pages
The secret stock market: Upstart systems rewrite rules of trading ...May 14, 2007 ... Some are true dark pools, where buyers and sellers are matched anonymously. Players in this segment include Liquidity Ping, VortEx, ...
www.marketwatch.com/news/story/secret-stock-market-upstart-systems/story.aspx?guid=%7B11EB6EC9-6D71-43C9... - 86k - Cached - Similar pages
Dark pools of liquidity, or the secret stock market | MetaFilterMay 20, 2008 ... Such networks are known in the buiness as "dark pools of liquidity", and while their emergence is a fascinating, competitive story, ...
www.metafilter.com/71813/Dark-pools-of-liquidity-or-the-secret-stock-market - 40k - Cached - Similar pages
Shedding light on the dark liquidity pools - Financial Times MandateFinancial Times Mandate: Archive » 2007 » May . Fragmentation in the market has formed a lot of ‘dark pools’ of liquidity, which can only be accessible ...
www.ftmandate.com/news/fullstory.php/aid/1442/Shedding_light_on_the_dark_liquidity_pools.html - 35k - Cached - Similar pages
Dark Liquidity PoolsHere is a recent video I found on the state of dark liquidity pools from Reuters. ... Tags: Dark Pools, Dark Pool, Dark Liquidity Pools, Block Trading, ...
richard-wilson.blogspot.com/2008/06/dark-liquidity-pools.html - 87k - Cached - Similar pages
SEC Speech: Keynote Speech at the SIFMA 2008 Dark Pools Symposium ...Thank you for the invitation to talk this morning about dark pools of liquidity and their role in equity market structure. Before I begin my remarks, ...
investor.gov/news/speech/2008/spch020108ers.htm - 26k - Cached - Similar pages
Dark Pools Grow; Scrutiny Does Not - National Business News ...Dark liquidity pools may sound like something out of science fiction, ... "As these dark pools grow, then the public—you and I—will get less liquidity in ...
www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2007/07/06/Dark-Pools-Grow-Scrutiny-Does-Not - 168k - Cached - Similar pages
Dark Pools Whitepaper-v3-Jan-29-2007File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Dark Pools of Liquidity. Summary and Impact Analysis. essentially offer access to multiple Dark Pool sources. of liquidity is a way to eliminate multiple ...
www.westwatercorp.com/about_our_work/documents/Dark_Pools_Whitepaper.pdf - Similar pages

[Bolo Boffin]

39. Spooky language. n/t

[reinvestigate911]

16. ps: google cia savings and loan scandal

http://brasschecktv.com/page/411.html

[JuniperLea]

35. And they managed to keep it all secret too!

Yet thousands had to know it would come to this.

[reinvestigate911]

40. it's hardly a secret

http://primarysources.newsvine.com/_news/2009/02/08/2392279-crisis-what-crisis-all-is-proceeding-according-to-globalist-plan-part-1-of-2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7817109040843835804

[JuniperLea]

41. You're preaching to the chior...

Yeah, not much of a secret really, but you'd think so by all the shock.

Besides, all of that is just CT bullshit, right? And it will continue to be so until proved true... right about the time it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the neocons put just enough oddball crap into the mix, on this and other so-called CT issues, just so "they" can call us all nuts for NOT believing the neocon bullshit.