UH OH !!!: Vreeland Evidentiary LINKS to Halliburton

[seventhson]

Hold onto your hats, kids. I know this story is hard to follow but after researching this story for three or four days now I came across something that needs to be shared here and now and outside the threads which are already dealing with this story.

Here it is in a nutshell:


The NOTE which Vreeland gave to his canadian jailers in a sealed envelope just before 9-11-01 included the following info in cryptic notations and among a number of other bits of info:

It is here with transcription: http://members.freespeech.org/ltvreeland/infamousnote.html

Ben Laden
World Trade Center
Pentagon

Prob. they will paint me crazy and call me a liar


Answer let one happen stop the rest !!!

Dr. Haider

(NOTE: WHO IS AN AUSTRIAN NEONAZI, SUPPORTING THE IDEA THAT BIN LADEN HAD/HAS NEONAZI TIES JUST AS REPORTED BY JIM HATFIELD IN JULY 2001 AND AS IS REPORTED REGARDING THE OKLAHOMA CITY BOMBING)

finally - there is, among other names and places, the following name:

Chalva Tchigirinski

Who IS Chalva Tchigirinski ?


ONLY the majority owner of a Russian oil company that , after 9-11, entered a joint oil development project (among many other projects related to 9-11, Unocal and oil pipeline deals) with...


Drum Roll


You guessed it!


HALLIBURTON!!!!

Now why would this guy Vreeland place a note in a sealed envelope prior to 9-11 naming the head of a Russian Oil company with links to our boy Cheney as well as oil projects of mutual interests to Ahmed Karzai, etc. along with naming the possible targets as well as the probable "perpetrators" of 9-11?

MAYBE, as my jounralistic intel sources tell me, Vreeland was real good at picking up "chatter" and using it to wheel and deal.

Maybe he was just guessing.

Maybe when he said he was trying to warn us he was making it up to cover his tracks and to obfuscate his guilt.

OR

Maybe

He actually KNOWS something we don't.

BUT if the claim is that Vreeland's story is designed to either:

A. Help Bush win by scaring the bejesus out of us about a dirty or other nuke in the heartland of America ; OR

b. create the conditions for the BFEE to declare martial law and or to steal and disrupt the election on November 2d by an election eve devastating and overwhelming Goebbellsian "Electoral Bomb" like the Reichstag Fire (probably IMHO also engineered by BFEE operatives in 1932 Germany)

WE need to be aware that Vreeland allegedly tried to warn us that people "linked" to Halliburton were somehow involved with neoNazis and Osama Bin Laden JUST BEFORE September 11, 2001 - the day the history of the world changed forever.

We NEED to know that Vreeland NAMED names and named places.

He did NOT however - know the flight numbers or the seat numbers. Sadly.

I hope SOMEONE is paying attention.

[rockydem]

1. this isn't proof that any of what you write about even happened

[liberalmuse]

2. It's called...

'deduction', my dear Watson.

[seventhson]

9. Umm _ I do have a reputation here for two things

believing almost ANYTHING bad about politicians, espeically ones I do not like, like Bush and Cheney.

AND

I tend to believe the worst case scenario - including LIHOP and MIHOP, the assassination of Wellstone and Hatfield and others by the BFEE - because my father was an antiNazi operative in Europe and Latin America with the underground and the antiFascist movement until it became too dangerous for his family because of complicity of the US government and wall street.

Anyway - like Yogi Berra says: "You could look it up." if you don't believe any of these facts.

[Eloriel]

14. And THAT, seventhson, is why

I love you so much. :loveya:

YOU are one of DU's star researchers. (But you already know that. :D )

This is utterly incredible...fantastic work.

[Andy_Stephenson]

42. seventhson rocks!

He is my hero :loveya:

[sangh0]

49. this isn't proof that any of what you write about even happened

and the response was to offer no proof or any evidence

[are_we_united_yet]

23. I see.

You on the other hand have been very convincing.

[sangh0]

50. this isn't proof that any of what you write about even happened

Umm, exactly what do you imagine that was supposed to convince anyone of?

[rockydem]

3. that letter is full of gibberish

I don't see how you can make hide nor hair of it - is he a madman or what? If he is sane why all gibberish?

[ldf]

4. some may think it farfetched

but there are too many coincidences between his note, and what has come out since then, for it to all be rubbish.

but the poopooers will be out in force.

good investigative work, seventhson.

:thumbsup:

[seventhson]

12. His note is designed to be deciphered by intelligence types

BUT it is broad enough to imply he knows SOMETHING and MIGHT just be making an educated guess.

The lynchpin of his reliability is that it is claimed that he was afraid for his life because he had this information and feared he would be killed or hurt if sent back to the US BECAUSE of these events it is claimed he "Predicted".

I have read his lawyers letter stating that he wanted to share his info with government authorities but was seriously dissed.

THAT is well documented.

Maybe this time he will be able to tell his story.

Folks may be skeptical and that is fine. But they also need to follow up the leads.

[tlcandie]

29. Great job!!!!

:bounce: I too felt it was somewhat coded for those who could do just that!! I knew I had no idea :+

[seventhson]

15. thanks - google is amazing - but desire for info is EVERYTHING

and to think that our own GB&C may have helped avert another 9-11 just absolutely AMAZES me.

[sangh0]

51. You're right about that

The ACTUAL info is unimportant. With enough DESIRE, anything is believable.

[Minstrel Boy]

5. Vreeland claims that, while in Moscow, he was given the mission

to break into Chalva Tchigirinski's apartment. He told Sander Hicks he thought he was being set up, because he wasn't warned about infrared scanners.

[TrustingDog]

6. Vreeland knew....

MIHOP.

[TrustingDog]

18. I heard the Vreeland long time ago... I am Canadian...

[Artemis Bunyon]

7. Vreeland is full of poop.

He's been debunked so often it feels not worth doing anymore. This guy is scum.

[TrustingDog]

19. how would you explain his 'notes'....pre 911?? hmmm?

[Artemis Bunyon]

26. The "notes" didn't exist.

He pulled the exact same trick -- retroactive forgery of some documents he claimed predated the crime he committed -- before.

[Minstrel Boy]

35. you don't know what you're talking about

It's a matter of record the note was pre-9/11. And I hate repeating myself about this, but I'm a close friend of his Toronto lawyer, and I know he was acting on the warning, trying to interest authorities, over the summer of 2001.

[sangh0]

52. You are not telling the truth

The article by Hicks that you linked to said that while Vreeland did seal notes in an envelope and gave it to the prison guards. It also says that it was Vreeland's lawyers who produced the "sealed" notes in court, so somehow possession of the "sealed" letters was transferred to Vreeland's lawyers who may have substituted forged notes.

[Mikimouse]

8. OK, for the naysayers, I have some questions...

1. If Vreeland has debunked, as you aver, who did the debunking and what might they have to gain from such.
2. Since this was presented prior to the attacks, can we reasonably ignore the information in it?
3. Shouldn't we be intensely curious as to what else Vreeland might know? I have found it to be the nature of this board that people are always looking for answers. It is not consistent with past practices to simply write this guy off as 'nuts'.


On another note. Kudos to seventhson for finding the information and making what appear to be some salient links. :hi: :shrug:

[seventhson]

16. What excited me about this info is that it provides a motive for them

to try to destroy Vreeland and ALSO for them to commit the crime (9-11) in the first place.

It also provides a motive for another domestic attack before this election this week and provides imho, credibility for his old claims.


It CONFIRMS the oil pipeline story and the "need" to invade Afghanistan and Iraq.

It confirms that Cheney is a key player with financial interests in both the 9-11 attack and in disrupting this election.

It makes Vreeland's claims MORE reliable IMHO.

It explains why he disappeared off the radar and only reappeared when required (using a "tagged" credit card is a surefire dead giveaway that he WANTED to get picked up) to PREVENT another 9-11.

That this whole war is about the geopolitics of oil and opium (and the control of other minerals and elements, including human resources - and the culling of the herd by war).

It also demonstrates HOW Vreeland MIGHT be a credible source of SOME info. He may be a lone wolf off the radar and frankly this is the most exciting story I have seen since the X Files last had Fox Mulder around.

Maybe I am romanticizing this whole event.

But I think it took tremendous courage for GB&C to come forward and tell US, whom he trusts, what Vreeland told HIM - in a situation where his life may actually have been endangered by his relationship with Vreeland. AND it shows how USEFUL DU is because DU made sure that the world knew what we knew.


Thanks for the props

[Mikimouse]

20. I have been wondering for quite a while about what happened...

to this story. I told my wife, even at the time of the attacks, that something didn't feel quite right about it. Perhaps I have become overly suspicious of everything * and 'Go f*ck yourself', but perhaps not. I still remember the chill I got from the quote from (Boucher?) to the Taliban about accepting the carpet of gold, or being buried in a carpet of bombs. For me, that was the final peice of the puzzle.
As far as the props go, you have more than earned those over the years! Give 'em hell, and I'll be right there with you!:toast:

[hang a left]

55. Let us not forget who was at the reigns on that day...hmmm.

"Does the order still stand?"

[seventhson]

10. Here are some links and sources.

http://p069.ezboard.com/fwwwltvreelandcomfrm1.showMessage?topicID=300.topic

Mr. Tchigirinski, age 51, is the representative of the
largest shareholder in Sibir. In this capacity he is a
Director of Yugraneft, a Director of both Evikhon and
Salym Petroleum Development NV. He is also President of
both Moscow Oil Company and Central Fuel Company
(which controls the Moscow refinery) neither of which
are in competition with Sibir. His interests in the
sector include a key role in British Petroleum’s
impressive fuel retail network in Moscow.

Sibir Energy, is a UK independent oil and gas production
company that produces about 3 million barrels of oil
annually and has development plans for oilfields with
reserves of almost a billion barrels of oil.

Sibir Energy plc was formed in 1996 by its parent, Pentex
Energy plc, a UK independent oil and gas company.

They focus on Russia, Sibir today has 99% of its reserves
and 72% of its crude oil production coming from the
oil-rich Khanty Mansiysk Region of Russian Western Siberia;
the remainder of its reserves and production coming
from its UK assets.

Founded in 1996 with the specific aim of acquiring
substantial and inexpensive reserves of Russian oil
in the ground, Sibir had amassed 2.2 billion barrels
of recoverable oil by the beginning of 2001.

Among the directors of Sibir are also Tchigirinskis brother
Alexander, Mr. Alexander Betsky (three years of accounting
and audit experience with Ernst & Young), Urs J. Haener,
Non-Executive Director (and former President and CEO of
Credit Suisse-Moscow), Henry O. Cameron, William L. S. Guinness and a few others.

And because we live in the post-ENRON age it's maybe
important to mention that Sibirs auditor is Ernst & Young.

But the story of Sibir Energy and Chalva (T)chigirinski,
a a real-estate developer, who also owns 51% of the company,
(source: www.oil-barrel.com/archiv...121201.htm )
is maybe even more interesting:

Last December, a few weeks after the very helpful opening
of a new pipeline in Uzbekistan, they tried to to merge with the Central Fuel Company that owns a refinery and a big retail network in Moscow region.
They also announced that they has acquired a further 20 per
cent stake in Yugraneft from Gazprom.
If you look on the structure of Sibir, you will recognise
their big political and business influence in that area.
But as we know from the history of the last 4 years,
it wasn't always that easy.
A lot of business deals had to be done with Russian companies.
In June 2000 Sibir completed the acquisition of an additional 62% of Russian oil and gas producing company Evikhon and the first 23.551% from Yugraneft.
In November 2000 Sibir announced an agreement with Sibneft,
a major Russian integrated oil and gas company, for the
establishment of a joint venture to develop the Yugraneft oil fields.
(Source: www.sibirenergy.com/corporate/history/ )
Last August 2001, President Vladimir Putin was still discussing in detail prospects for implementing the Caspian pipeline consortium project.
(Source: english.pravda.ru/cis/200...11637.html )

Only a few months later almost everything looked better.
Sibir is still cooperating with Evikhon.
Evikhon already had in place a 50:50 joint venture with
Shell Salym Development, a member of the Royal Dutch/Shell
Group, to develop the Salym oil fields, the terms of which
included 100% financing by Shell.
And Sibneft, in an joint venture with Sibir Energy, hooked
up only a few weeks ago with Halliburton:
www.gasandoil.com/goc/com...r21067.htm

Wednesday, March 06, 2002
"...Sibneft announced that it has signed a framework agreement for Halliburton to provide oil field services.
Sibneft already works with service companies Schlumberger,
BJ Services and Pride Forasol. With the addition of Halliburton, Sibneft will be able to encourage competition for projects among the service companies, pushing down costs as it explores and develops fields in Siberia and the Far East...
...Halliburton only came into the Russian spotlight in 1999, when it was chosen as a contractor for Tyumen Oil's Samotlor field as part of a controversial US Export-Import Bank loan deal.
But Halliburton has prospered in Russia and the Caspian region over the past 10 years with the backing of US Vice President Dick Cheney, who lobbied strongly for lucrative projects when he was Halliburton CEO from 1995 to 2000..."

Halliburton is also still a big contructor of UNOCAL, who already worked very hard to work on the "middle section" between Uzbekistan and Pakistan a few years ago.

[seemslikeadream]

11. Since the advanced search is off till after the election

I'd like to save this here

Given the Vreeland Thread : Link TV NOW has piece on nuclear terrorism
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2533924

[seventhson]

13. Yeah - that scared the crap outta me.

it reaffirmed the seriousness of this situation

[tlcandie]

31. Did anyone read about the red mercury bombs .. i believe it was?

if not I will find a link again. I found it before I found the Vreeland letter.

The physicist said the red mercury bombs are very powerful and easily pass sensors.

:shrug:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_poovey_010803_redmerc3.html

<snip>
In an interview with Christopher Ruddy, Cohen said that when U.N. inspectors went to Iraq, the U.N. team found documents showing that they had purchased quantities of red mercury. Kay, who led three IAEA (International Atomic Energy Administration) inspection teams in Iraq, said his hosts told him they had two filing cabinet drawers stuffed with offers of red mercury.

Were they real? The Bush team seems to privately believe so. In October 2002, the President claimed that Iraq had unmanned aerial vehicles that could threaten the United States. Could this be the new s-megaton mini satellite (guided) rocket(s) carrying nuclear weapons using red mercury discussed in last week's column?
<snip>

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_poovey_010303_redmerc2.html
<snip>
According to Jeff Nyquist (who reviewed one of the documents and interviewed Vreeland) the document, which is a communiqu� from K. Hussaine of Iraq to V. Putin of Russia, says that 9/11 will be a diversionary strike "attributed to the work of 'our brothers'. The real attack, says the Iraqi official, will involve the use of 'new s-megaton mini satellite rocket.' This is a weapon that would be smuggled into the United States, and better resembles a small robot aircraft than a missile. The striking power of this satellite guided toy rocket is listed as two megatons." The document says, "The shock wave from the air burst of our two megaton mini combined with its own reflection from the ground will form a blast wave of such power that everything will be destroyed...within 8 to 13 U.S. miles of ground zero."

The document according to Nyquist also refers to "a top secret Russian stealth satellite termination system (called SSST). According to Vreeland, this is a stealth orbital platform armed with clusters of electromagnetic pulse bombs capable of knocking out global communications and frying U.S. nuclear warheads leaving the Western Hemisphere."
<snip>

http://www.rense.com/general57/red.htm

<snip>
On Friday, September 24, 2004, British police arrested 4 suspects for allegedly trying to purchase a 'highly powerful, radioactive material, originally made in Russia, know as' Red Mercury'.

These four supposedly were willing to pay $ 541,000 a kilogram, on behalf of a Saudi Arabian, (described as sympathetic to the Muslim cause'), whose name was not disclosed.
<snip>

<snip>
Most frightening for Cohen is the relative ease by which neutron bombs can be created with a substance called red mercury. Red mercury is a compound containing mercury that has undergone irradiation. When exploded, it creates tremendous heat and pressure - the same type needed to trigger a fusion device such as a mini-neutron bomb.

Before, an obstacle to creating a nuclear bomb was the need for plutonium, which when exploded could create a fusion reaction in hydrogen atoms. But red mercury has changed that. The cheap substance has been produced in Russia, Cohen said, and shipped on the black market throughout the world.
<snip>

I have no clue why everything here has lines through it. :shrug: IF you can help me figure this out I will try to change it. :/

http://www.stevequayle.com/News.alert/04_Nukes/040929.red.mercury.html

<snip>
Red Mercury….The CIA says that it does not exist, yet terrorist organizations worldwide are willing to pay outrageous amounts of money to procure it…Scientists have alluded that nuclear weapons containing red mercury, can enter the United States, UNDETECTED, be placed in cities all across the country, and cause cataclysmic destruction…from a nuclear bomb, of incredible power, the size of a softball…I don’t know about you folks, but this REALLY scares me!

Now, what bothers me even more, is that last year, confidential intelligence sources informed me that a Special Ops unit in Iraq had lost track of about a ton of red mercury. I have not heard anything to the contrary, so I am assuming that it is still missing. How could that happen???

According to the research that I have done and talking to the contacts that I have in the Intelligence community, red mercury not only destroys human life, but kills every living thing in its path for eternity!!! In other words, where its destructive energy has touched, NOTHING will ever live again, not at least in our lifetime!

Let me go one further, my sources inform me that it would only take a teaspoon of red mercury to kill all living creatures in the Great Lakes.
<snip>

[seventhson]

45. Yikes Stripes -- Reading between the lines that is even more scarifying

info.

Thanks. It takes a village to investigate this stuff and assimilate the facts for analysis.

This is serious stuff.

It underscores the need for us all to pay attention and share info...

[tlcandie]

47. I know but I have no idea how the stripes came to be nor how to

get rid of them. :/ I looked at the text, but it must be hidden .. clueless on how to rid the stripes!

[peacetalksforall]

17. For some enlightening reading, see a version of history for Russian US

Afghanistan Iraq Britain oil deals...

http://www.hermes-press.com/impintro1.htm

Long, crystal clear, makes some light bulbs go off, if true. Great maps.

[TexasChick]

21. seventhson, what is being done about this? If there is insider info from

Vreeland, how are we going to "warn" the nation about an attack and try to stop it if the media won't help us?


Jennifer

[seventhson]

22. The media is investigating AND the FBI is interviewing

people close to this story.

It is following the right channels.

I posted the Toronto Star article earlier today that said that MANY government folks want to interview Vreeland AND that reporters , in an unusual move, are being required to provide proof of who they are before he can be interviewed.

The mainstream media may not touch this story but that is not important (and in fact it might be a good thing if it is all just a Rovian scare tactic). On the other hand if Vreeland can provide any verifying info then I hope there will be precautions taken.

If there is any truth to it I hope such an event may be prevented.

If it is for real I hope they properly warn people to take precautions.

Just like with 9-11 I sure wish people were warned so that they evacuated instead of sitting still like sitting ducks.

Frankly, I am glad I do not live there but, then again, this may all be only a diversion for something else.

AND if the BFEE plan is an event to galvanize electoral support for Bush then I PRAY that this exposure will make the event NOT happen by shining a light on it and on Vreeland.

GB&C desrves ALL of our gratitude for we may NEVER know what horrors he may have helped prevent. If nothing happens we may NEVER know the truth - whether it was for real or not BECAUSE GB&C MAY HAVE SAVED US ALL FROM AN ATTACK AND FOUR MORE YEARS OF BUSH!!!

That would make my heart glad.

[seventhson]

24. Toronto Star article today

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1098568216092&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968705899037


...In September, 2002, after spending an evening preparing for his case with Slansky, Vreeland disappeared. Police went to his apartment, which his lawyers called "ransacked." Galati believed Vreeland had been kidnapped by American agents — a fear that led to Galati's decision last December to drop his high-profile cases involving national security.

Reached yesterday, Galati said he believes Vreeland is still working as an American agent.

Lubkeman said yesterday they're being cautious with the Vreeland case — taking measures that included having to verify a reporter's identity before giving an interview.

"He has lots of stories to tell. He thinks himself very important and he wanted to make sure people in the government were contacted," Lubkeman said.



NOTE : Galati also said he (Galati) had recieved death threats

[TexasChick]

25. Thanks, seventhson! I have to ask, what is BFEE? Also, I would

think having another attack would make chimptard look really inept, but hey, half of this country is voting for him and would flock to him, poor saps!! No, to plan an attack would be so they can declare martial law and suspend the elections.

I always thought that they can cancel the elections by martial law indefinitely, but another DUer told me they can never cancel the elections indefinitely by martial law and would ultimately run against the Chimp administration.

I just want this crap to stop all together! I want to be an American again, I want my life back, my job, my way of life before this inept Chimp stole the WH!! I'm tired of living in fear and hearing Terra! Terra!


Jennifer

[seventhson]

27. BFEE= Bush Family Evil Empire

It goes back to the financing of Hitler, support of the nordic-aryan alliances and beyond. Support of eugenics. Involvement in the Bay of Pigs and the JFK assassination, COINTELPRO and Iran-Cocaine-Contra as well as CIA corruption and vice. And 9-11 IMHO.HUGE deals with China and Russia and death and mass genocide in southern Africa and Latin America. Chile. Argentina. Venezuela.

The potential for such an October Surprise is horrifying. But it is possible WE have stopped it. Possible. Not necessarily likely, but we can imagine, can't we, that DU saved America and the world because of one or two or three brave DUers?

[Artemis Bunyon]

28. Vreeland is a con-man. (progressive debunking resource)

http://www3.sympatico.ca/ron666/vreeland.html

[ParanoidPat]

30. Unh huh!

Yeah, right, whatever.

[Artemis Bunyon]

32. I admire your scholarly rebuttals.

Very definitive.

[tlcandie]

33. People have been working HARD on this for a number of days

since this has been surfacing and they are too tired to play games. Sorry. :hi: :+ Maybe another sandbox would like some playmates? :shrug:

[loudsue]

38. LOL!!! Artemis, you really ARE trying hard, aren't you???

On every thread I've read about this topic, you've jumped in and tried to be the "reasonable one".... the voice crying in the wilderness, if you will, about how "crazy" all this is.

At least you're consistent! Keep up the work if that's what you're here to do, ole buddy.

You obviously haven't been on DU too long, and haven't been through all the previous research. But whatever your reasons for trying SO DAMN HARD to derail these investigations, you're obviously heavily invested in it.

Luck to ya! :shrug:

Me? I've been here too long. I'll stick w/ Seventhson, Eloriel, BHN and GB&C, etc. I've seen what they've done over the years, and I KNOW where THEY are coming from.

Just a word of advice: You're going to get tired of typing before DUers get tired of researching and discussing things open-mindedly.


:kick::kick:

[troubleinwinter]

36. Vreeland story = hooey

Thanks for the link.

[seventhson]

44. I agree. But the question is whether he is working for the US. Besides

Bush and Cheney are Con men too.

The site you cite is useful in assessing the evidence.

But what if they are wrong and/or are disinformationist?

That is why we rely on research and urge caution and further investigation.

The consequences of ignoring him are too severe if there is the remotest chance he has accurate info.

My desire here is to expose it, not dismiss or accept it as rteal - but to expose it so that REAL law enforcment can investigate seriously.

They are. So I am happy about that.

[tlcandie]

34. I don't know if this is just coincidence.. but someone stated

in LBN in the other Vreeland thread that Kerry is set to be in Minnesota the 27th...

[Bolo Boffin]

37. Your transcript is woefully incomplete, seventhson.

Here's your "transcript":

Ben Laden
World Trade Center
Pentagon

Prob. they will paint me crazy and call me a liar


Answer let one happen stop the rest !!!

Dr. Haider

You've done some selective editing here to make Vreeland a little more "prophetic" than he was. Here's the actual transcript, from your own link:

Navy Pier
     Sears Tower ? Chicago
     World Trade Center
     White House
     Pentagon ?
     World Bank Malasia
     water supplies
     Scotia Building Toronto
     Parliment Bldg Ottawa
     Royal Bank Toronto or Montreal
     Prob. they will paint me crazy and call me a liar
     Answer let one happen stop the rest !!!
                         Malasia
                                                       World Bank
     Notes: Ben Laden                    Lian Chemical / Malasia                    Bilateral
     money - Chalva                        Zantra - Brown recluse                arms/techno - exchange
                 Tchigirinski                                                                      U.S.
     KGB - Oleg                            ulista petrovka                         (Satellite 1 and 2) why Bush ?
     ?          Marc                    World Trade Center (Dr. Haider) ?               2007          2009
                                                                                cell / up
     V-Team  Henrey                     in jail                    Bio / when                  pentagon or w house ?
     stops       Ottawa   -   EM.    R. / Boston /           nerd     decanter               Brown Recluse
                                                                      PRIMORSKIY
     Contacts at Docks       Fla               Vladivostok \ Kray                                     water
     all v-team          vers m16 -                                                                                       How ?
                              M234 RAG with kinetic projectile launcher
                                                                                                      Whats his
                                                                                                                     contacts -
          - no comments on letter -          no thank you,          no comment -
          Transfer to Ottawa,     non custody,       safe house     or     m. base - or
          my own private apt my expense ---- new ID
C/R - Coo agreement 96 - 97

I don't have time to clean up the bottom half of that, but this complete transcript shows that you pulled the name "Ben Laden" up from where it was and placed it over the only two places that you quoted from his list. That's extremely misleading. It gives the impression, you see, that Vreeland put the two 9/11 attack sites next to the name of the person who headed up the attack plans.

That would have been extremely disturbing, were it true. But it's not. Vreeland lists ten separate terrorist targets, and the Pentagon is question-marked, as if it were a less likely target. This technique of cold-reading is called shotgunning, and it's a favorite technique of fake psychics. By listing several targets likely to be terrorist targets, that anybody could figure out, and by listing several people who would likely be involved in oil deals and/or terrorist attacks, Vreeland appears to be giving us inside information.

That's crap. He made a lucky guess. That's all. This note is evidence of nothing. And your creative editing to make it more misleading is duly noted by people who really want the truth.

[Name removed]

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[Bolo Boffin]

41. Well, that makes sense.

:eyes:

[seventhson]

43. Obviously you misrepresent what I said and HERE it is

I said: "The NOTE which Vreeland gave to his canadian jailers in a sealed envelope just before 9-11-01 included the following info in cryptic notations and among a number of other bits of info:

It is here with transcription: http://members.freespeech.org/ltvreeland/infamousnote.h..."

IN OTHER WORDS:

I said that the following info (what I included) INCLUDED the following info ---- among a number of other bits of information.

THEN I citre the whole transcript so people can see for themselves.

I misrepresented NOTHING and specifically INCLUDED the information I found predictive with a link so you can see thw hole thing. I AGREE that this may well have been a "psychic-style" guess. BUT when you combine that with the fact that his lawyers were frantically trying to get him interviews with Canadian AND American security and law enforcement officials to give THEM this very scattered warning with some very specific possibilities - then it enhances the credibility of the story. Vreeland obviously SEEMS to have picked up the pre-9-11 hatter but was UNSURE of the precise targets and timing -- tho he points at significant players: Bin Laden, Haiger, and the russian oilman who ends upo with ties to Halliburton.

Lucky guess or educated guess? I vote for educated guess.

I DID select the information I thought relevent to the issue and provided a link so people could see it in context. To accuse me of misleading is reprehensible, especially when I myself have stated I have no idea whether he is lying or not.

But in investigating you follow up the fruitful leads, the facts which tend to support your case - the facts that are consistent with the allegations. THEN you determine what they mean.

My post was intended to raise the alert that this has Halliburton fingerprints NEAR it as I have believed all along.

But sure --- ANYONE familiar with global terror and geo/oil politics MIGHT have written a note like this - BUT the fact is when you combine that with his alleged efforts to WARN US authorities and Canadian authorities with specifics (albeit in a jumble of info) - you HAVE to at least examine the evidence more closely and NOT dismiss it out of hand.

THAT would be reckless under the circumstances. HOPEFULLY, if Vreeland or someone like him made such claims after 9-11 from jail SOMEBODY in authority will at lewast interview him and follow up as Vreelan's lawyers claim Vreeland wanted desperately. THAT is what gives the claims credibility.

[sangh0]

53. So you DO give Vreeland's claims credibility

In another thread you DENIED giving him credibility, and here you are, just hours before talking to me, saying that he DOES have credibility

[Bolo Boffin]

54. You didn't just select the information you wanted...

...from Vreeland's note.

You rearranged it in your post in a very substantial way. It gives the misleading appearance that Vreeland separated these few statements from everything else, when that's not true. If you were unaware of how your cherry-picked and neatly arranged "quotation" could be misinterpreted, then you have my apology. But your carelessness in thus reproducing the note still doesn't give me much faith in your methodology.

[Morning Dew]

40. On 9/11 I remember thinking that it was odd

that the one plane went so far West before turning back - my first thought was that it was supposed to hit the Sears tower and the hijackers thought that target was probably no longer viable.

And there it is in the Vreeland note - Sears Tower.

on edit - west, not east. Geesh.

[spooked911]

56. one of the passengers on flight 175 I think said he thought the hijackers

...were going to crash the plane into the Sears tower. This was in the 9/11 Commission report.

Which I thought was weird, becuase where would the passenger get that info?

[seemslikeadream]

46. seventhson is there a possiblity that this is Vreeland's father?

He was in the Navy, wasn't he?
http://web.nmsu.edu/~pauberve/Vreeland.htm



Have you seen these links?
http://members.rogers.com/internationalconnection/audiovideo.html
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_whistleblower.htm

[prayin4rain]

48. Organized crime on a grand scale. This administration is so CLEARLY

full of criminals and con-men. It just makes me sick. You know I really think a lot of people do get a sense of what freakin' criminals these people are, and they think it is cool. Or feel like they would do the same thing. Like they are watching the Sopranos and not the deconstruction of this country.

[spooked911]

57. Makes sense-- Michael Ruppert says Cheney was the "Maestro" behind 9/11

I'm just saying....