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RageAgainstTheirMachine Donating Member (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:37 AM
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POWERFUL: A 757 did NOT hit the Pentagon on 9/11
I was sent this link by a friend at a military academy in the US.

http://www.nixtro.com/pentagon121.swf

This presentation alone makes me believe that we are still being lied to about 9/11. How can we make the media report this? If we start tearing down the government's official stance, piece by piece without suggesting some huge conspiracy, we might be able to do it.

What do you all think?
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:39 AM
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1. A distraction from the real cover up. Psyops to discredit...
the real questions.

That is what I think.

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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:39 AM
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2. Conspiracy theory at its best
It's a diversion from the real conspiracy theory: Who really funded those terrorists. The answer is George Bush's Saudi friends.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:40 AM
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3. It's BS.
This has been debunked like a thousand times. The reason there wasn't an airplane-shaped hole in the Pentagon is that the wings collapsed on impact as the fuel exploded. They also found the engines in the wreck. And what happened to the passengers? Are they hiding out in the Bermuda triangle with Elvis?
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:46 AM
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4. It has never been debunked
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jadedcherub Donating Member (367 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:50 AM
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6. http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 01:50 AM by jadedcherub
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:10 AM
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9. Snopes' explaination is a conspiracy theory
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 02:12 AM by tridim
of the facts presented in the video. It's complete bullshit.

The wings folded up and fit neatly through the small hole.. Yea, okay Snopes.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:20 AM
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21. Read the previous threads.

Or check for yourself.

Fact: There is not one as much as one person who was there to see for themselves who is known to have any doubt that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.


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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:42 AM
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23. YOU
YOU should read the previous threads!! You do not account for a multitude of eyewitness accounts that vary from the official line. Don't misinform people on this board. You owe it to yourself and those who participaste here to be honest and forthcoming. So enough of the blanket disinfo.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:43 AM
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:44 AM
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30. Yes I do account for them.

I counted them all. There was no such multitude.

Do you know of as much as one single person who was there to see for themselves but nevertheless doubts that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon?

I'd thought not.

If so, if you knew of one, you'd have come up with the name, would you not?

During the past two years I never saw such a name, not once, not one person who was there then and now willing to subscribe to the 'No Boeing' nonsense.



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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:13 PM
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32. Sorry demodewd, wasn't meant for you.
A little problem with my vision at the moment, due to the clash between heat and light.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:19 PM
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37. BRIGADIER GENERAL ARTHUR F. "CHIP" DIEHL III
Bio
http://www.af.mil/bios/bio.asp?bioID=5226

We went to see firsthand the damage, the aftermath of this tragedy. No one could believe the catastrophic damage to the Pentagon - it was horrible. A whole "wedge" had collapsed; the aircraft had penetrated about three of the five "rings" of the building. There wasn't a single piece of the jet to be seen anywhere.
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123004570

Well RH?
Are you going to retract your statement:
"There is not one as much as one person who was there to see for themselves who is known to have any doubt that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon."

Or are you going to make like Bush
when it comes to identifying mistakes he has made?
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:23 PM
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38. Dont be so silly.

Gen. Arthur F. "Chip" Diehl III clearly refers to an "aircraft", that penetrated about three of the five "rings" of the building.

Which aircraft then do you think he thinks it was, if not Flight 77?



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Robbie67 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:56 AM
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7. did you see the video?
it seemed that other considerations make it a tougher question

There are so many serious problems with the explanation of everything 9/11. I don't doubt that we're not being told a lot, and that it's NOT about national security.

Why did these incredibly lucky nincompoops aim for the one part of the building that was recently reinforced and largely empty? Could they make such a sophisticated attack and not figure out a better way to do more damage to the building?

It's too neat. It's a series of disjointed events that seem to lay all together in terms of a logical explanation. It doesn't make any sense.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:17 AM
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20. Why mix fact and fiction?

There is no actual evidence to show that the Pentagon was aimed for, that the event was intended by anybody.

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Robbie67 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:20 AM
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27. did you see the video?
:shrug:
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:50 AM
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31. I saw everthing in that video

two years before it was put together, more than enough time for the author to know that the thesis is bogus.
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Robbie67 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:45 PM
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35. I'm sorry, you'll have to do better
One fact in particular: Hani Hanjour did NOT know how to fly a 747, much less did he have the ability to fly a precise and difficult course in order to hit the one place in the Pentagon that had the least important targets and most re-inforced exterior. I mean, to suggest that this all fits into some neat little explanation is ludicrous.
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impe Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:15 PM
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36. Flunked Cessna Training


but yet, the OCT promotes the idea that he was able to figure out how to fly a 757. (Remember, they
left their flying manual in the car...hahaha)

Imagine being at 30,000 feet and all you see is clouds and dials in the cockpit. If you're not instrument
rated to fly, you're SOL. They would have you believe he was able to decend out of the clouds and
find D.C., and then the pentagon without assistance from the control towers or his handy-dandy flying
manual. NO WAY!
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:10 PM
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44. out of the clouds?

It was a clear day.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:18 PM
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45. the clouds
were holograms, just like the plane. heck, maybe the entire BUILDING is a hologram!!!
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:28 PM
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39. I have not yet seen a shred of evidence
Edited on Tue Oct-26-04 02:28 PM by RH
to show that Hani Hanjour ever intended to fly a precise and difficult course to the Pentagon so as far as I am concerned your question is completely bogus.

Furthermore, having reco structed the flight trajectory past the Navy Annex and then through five lamp poles I would rather have thought that it was obviously not a precise course that any sensible pilot would ever have chosen.

Flight 77 was a B757, not a 747.

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Robbie67 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:20 PM
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40. It was a major jet aircraft
that Hani Hanjour did not have the capacity to fly

Sensible pilot? You're arguing that this person who wasn't a pilot was acting sensibly? And how the hell does some nimrod who can't fly manage to avoid plowing into the ground well short of the Pentagon wall at 500MPH just a few feet off the ground?

Nothing makes sense here. Your rejection of my questions is bogus. Again, why did this masterfully put together attack, that took years to co-ordinate and organize, end up attacking the one part of the Pentagon that affected it the least? Too convenient, and you're trying to explain it all away as pure happenstance. Nonsense.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:42 PM
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41. Trying to explain it all away?

Who's tried to explain it all away?

If it is all the same to you, I merely attempt to think sensibly.

How the hell does some nimrod who can't fly manage to avoid plowing into the ground?

More to the point, how and why would anybody who knew how to fly nevertheless end up plowing into five lamp poles before running into the alleged target. Do you have a good explanation for that?

It does not make sense to me that a supposedly well planned and precise trajectory would swerve downwards as if especially to hit five lamp poles when there would have been no need of any sort to do so.








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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:13 AM
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10. What about the fact there never was a hole
big enough for the fuselage to enter? Only parts of ONE engine were found. No luggage. No passenger seats. And on and on and on. Hence NO 757 at the scene.
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clu Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 03:55 AM
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11. planes aren't built to penetrate buildings
they're made to be light

www.whatreallyhappened.com/ppfinal
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:48 AM
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14. Gee, all those guys in the white suits in front of the Pentagon,
how'd they keep'em so clean? Also those pictures of airplane parts? Well they are all so close cropped, they could have been taken anywhere! Lets get some building around them for context or even people next to them. I've been looking at pictures of the Pentagon site for approxamatly 3 years and I do not remember seeing the pictures of the Pentagon that looked like this before. The bottom part looks almost like a painting.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:02 AM
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15. But.. E=MC2.
There should be at least some discernable damage to the building from the tail (Stabilizer, vertical stabilizer) wings and engines. Where are the empennages?

Why haven't the wire spools directly adjacent to the hole been moved by the impact?

The entry hole was only 16 feet in diameter. Considering mass and velocity (est 300+ mph), 757 would make a larger hole in masonry building.

Where is the wreckage? Wings, tail, fuselage wreckage, etc.

Look at scale of engine found in building. Much smaller than 757 engine. Only one engine found. 757 has two large engines.

Look at scale of aluminum wreckage seen in photos with American logo and compare scale with surrounding artifacts and people. Not to scale of 757 fuselage.

Look at parking lot security camera film. Object striking Pentagon much smaller than 757 and emitting atypical exhaust signature.

Plane made precision 270 degree turn at high speed to hit Pentagon at treetop level. Impossible manuever for terrorist pilot with minimal flight training.

Where is the debris field typically seen at such crash sites? Observe explosion direction on security video- a/c debris should have been distributed over lawn in front of building (Suitcases, seat parts, body parts, etc.) Recall Mohammed Atta's passport was found at WTC.

Pattern and scope of damage and scale of wreckage suggest cruise missile or small private jet a/c.

Not suggesting conspiracy, but available evidence does not support theory advanced to the public.



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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:23 AM
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18. BS
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:58 AM
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25. Not true
There certainly WERE wing "holes" in the Pentagon. only the tips "collapsed".
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Robbie67 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:46 AM
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5. Well, that was compelling and convincing
and it was a GREAT presentation
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 02:06 AM
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8. how about neither debunked nor proven?
The presentation is well done. There are a lot of questions that remain unanswered. For some reason, in some people's minds everything has to be either absolutely proven or 1000 times debunked and never anywhere in between.

This rush to start debunking only applies when it protects the very rich and powerful, however. Your working poor neighbor never gets the benefit of this debunking when it comes to suspicions and charges against him.

Any old slipshod piece of junky evidence or malicious rumor is sufficient cause to justify bringing the full weight of the government against your poor helpless neighbor. Should he, however, harbor any suspicions about his government, he has a much higher burden of proof, and the debunkers will descend upon him like a plague of locusts.

That being said, it certainly is possible that government agents could secretly set up conspiracy theorists to concoct scenarios that are plausible, but later can be easily invalidated, and that will meanwhile distract people from the real truth.

And, there are people making stuff up and peddling ridiculous ideas.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:17 AM
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12. oh not again
How is it that simple logic flies out the window when this subject comes up?

Loads of people on the highway watched that plane come in and hit the Pentagon. Many of them were interviewed on TV which I watched. One of them on the highway was my brother (although he wasn't interviewed because he was busy puking into the passenger seat of his vehicle).

If it wasn't the plane that it was claimed to be, what the hell happened to the plane and it's passengers? There's a DUer on here who was a friend or relative of one of those passengers... are you going to try to convince them that their loved one is still sitting around the airport waiting to board?

That plane was a flying bomb. The wings are thin, hollow and filled with fuel... it's absurd to imagine that most of the plane would not have disintegrated.

If there's a story here at all it's that that plane made a tight turn that some boob that took a few flying lessons probably could not have accomplished successfully and hit the section of the Pentagon that was basically empty due to the construction. That story dropped like a rock from the news almost immediately.
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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:34 AM
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13. Some good questions but remember
9/11 was a 'failure of imagination.' Your last paragraph should lead you other areas. For a start, Google 'killtown' and read up on these ideas for a few months, remember to check all photos found there and compare them with what big media has shown you thus far, including F 9/11 and the DoD website. Ask why the there is no streaming video that counters this one, at least not yet.
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:11 AM
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16. Theory as to what happened to Pentagon passengers...
Unproven theory suggests Pentagon flight and Flight 93(Pennsylvania flight) shot down- Pentagon flight in Appalachians by F-16's and Flight 93 by either an F-16 or an A-10. This plane allegedly seen by several witnesses on ground.

All this is speculation but provides an explanation as to what happened to Pentagon flight.

Not proven to be fact but interesting to think about.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:14 AM
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19. Why mix fact and fiction?

Who does it help?

:crazy:




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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:20 AM
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17. DEBUNKED crap-a pack of lies
and it's been posted her over and over again. pretty much every day for a couple weeks. It's been totally and completely debunked. Basically the video's authors have the same respect for truth as Annthrax Coulter.

Some Links..


http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33 /

http://www.criticalthrash.com/terror/crashthumbnails.ht ...

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316 ....


http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.htm


Eyewitness Accounts...

"USAToday.com Editor Joel Sucherman saw it all: an American Airlines jetliner fly left to right across his field of vision as he commuted to work Tuesday morning. It was highly unusual. The large plane was 20 feet off the ground and a mere 50 to 75 yards from his windshield. Two seconds later and before he could see if the landing gear was down or any of the horror-struck faces inside, the plane slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon 100 yards away. 'My first thought was he's not going to make it across the river to National Airport. But whoever was flying the plane made no attempt to change direction,' Sucherman said. 'It was coming in at a high rate of speed, but not at a steep angle—almost like a heat-seeking missile was locked onto its target and staying dead on course."
- "Journalist Witnesses Pentagon Crash." eWeek.com, 13 Sep 2001


"On a Metro train to National Airport, Allen Cleveland looked out the window to see a jet heading down toward the Pentagon. 'I thought, "There's no landing strip on that side of the subway tracks,"' he said. Before he could process that thought, he saw 'a huge mushroom cloud. The lady next to me was in absolute hysterics.'"
- "Our Plane Is Being Hijacked." Washington Post, 12 Sep 2001

"I was supposed to have been going to the Pentagon Tuesday morning at about 11:00am (EDT) and was getting ready, and thank goodness I wasn't going to be going until later. It was so shocking, I was listening to the news on what had happened in New York, and just happened to look out the window because I heard a low flying plane and then I saw it hit the Pentagon. It happened so fast... it was in the air one moment and in the building the next..."
- "U.S. Under Attack: Your Eyewitness Accounts." BBC News, 14 Sep 2001

"As I approached the Pentagon, which was still not quite in view, listening on the radio to the first reports about the World Trade Center disaster in New York, a jetliner, apparently at full throttle and not more than a couple of hundred yards above the ground, screamed overhead. ... Seconds before the Pentagon came into view a huge black cloud of smoke rose above the road ahead. I came around the bend and there was the Pentagon billowing smoke, flames and debris, blackened on one side and with a gaping hole where the airplane had hit it."
- "Eyewitness at the Pentagon." Human Events, 17 Sep 2001

"Frank Probst, an information management specialist for the Pentagon Renovation Program, left his office trailer near the Pentagon's south parking lot at 9:36 a.m. Sept. 11. Walking north beside Route 27, he suddenly saw a commercial airliner crest the hilltop Navy Annex. American Airlines Flight 77 reached him so fast and flew so low that Probst dropped to the ground, fearing he'd lose his head to its right engine."
- "A Defiant Recovery." The Retired Officer Magazine, January 2002

"'I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings, went right there and slammed into the Pentagon,' eyewitness Mike Walter said of the plane that hit the military complex. 'Huge explosion, great ball of fire, smoke started billowing out, and then it was just chaos on the highway as people either tried to move around the traffic and go down either forward or backwards,' he said."
- "Witnesses and Leaders on Terrorist Attacks." CNN, 11 Sep 2001

"'(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon was the obvious target,' said Fred Gaskins, who was driving to his job as a national editor at USA Today near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150 feet overhead. 'It was flying very smoothly and calmly, without any hint that anything was wrong.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

"Aydan Kizildrgli, an English language student who is a native of Turkey, saw the jetliner bank slightly then strike a western wall of the huge five-sided building that is the headquarters of the nation's military. 'There was a big boom,' he said. 'Everybody was in shock. I turned around to the car behind me and yelled "Did you see that?" Nobody could believe it.'"
- "Bush Vows Retaliation for 'Evil Acts'." USA Today, 11 Sep 2001

'I saw the tail of a large airliner. ... It plowed right into the Pentagon," said an Associated Press Radio reporter who witnessed the crash. 'There is billowing black smoke.'"
- "America's Morning of Terror." ChannelOne.com, 2001

"Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head. 'It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,' Mr Campo said. 'I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Afework Hagos, a computer programmer, was on his way to work but stuck in a traffic jam near the Pentagon when the plane flew over. 'There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions. It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance. It hit some lampposts on the way in.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"A pilot who saw the impact, Tim Timmerman, said it had been an American Airways 757. "'It added power on its way in,' he said. 'The nose hit, and the wings came forward and it went up in a fireball.'"
- "Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts." The Guardian, 12 Sep 2001

"Steve Eiden, a truck driver, had picked up his cargo that Tuesday morning in Williamsburg, Va., and was en route to New York City and witnessed the aftermath. ... He took the Highway 95 loop in the area of the Pentagon and thought it odd to see a plane in restricted airspace, thinking to himself it was odd that it was flying so low. 'You could almost see the people in the windows,' he said as he watched the plane disappear behind a line of trees, followed by a tall plume of black smoke. Then he saw the Pentagon on fire, and an announcement came over the radio that the Pentagon had been hit."
- "Sept. 11, the Day America Changed." The Baxter Bulletin, 2001

"Traffic is normally slow right around the Pentagon as the road winds and we line up to cross the 14th Street bridge heading into the District of Columbia. I don’t know what made me look up, but I did and I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating. My first thought was just 'No, no, no, no,' because it was obvious the plane was not heading to nearby Reagan National Airport. It was going to crash."
- "September 11 Remembered." University Week, 4 Oct 2001

Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a graveside service at Arlington National Cemetery the morning of Sept. 11, when he mistakenly took the Pentagon exit onto Washington Boulevard, putting him in a position to witness American Airlines Flight 77 crash into the Pentagon. 'I was in the left hand lane with my windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just right above our cars.' McGraw estimates that the plane passed about 20 feet over his car, as he waited in the left hand lane of the road, on the side closest to the Pentagon. 'The plane clipped the top of a light pole just before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet away from my car. I saw it crash into the building,' he said. 'My only memories really were that it looked like a plane coming in for a landing. I mean in the sense that it was controlled and sort of straight. That was my impression,' he said. 'There was an explosion and a loud noise and I felt the impact. I remember seeing a fireball come out of two windows (of the Pentagon). I saw an explosion of fire billowing through those two windows.'"
- "Pentagon Crash Eyewitness Comforted Victims." MDW News Service, 28 Sep 2001

"I witnessed the jet hit the Pentagon on September 11. From my office on the 19th floor of the USA TODAY building in Arlington, Va., I have a view of Arlington Cemetery, Crystal City, the Pentagon, National Airport and the Potomac River. ... Shortly after watching the second tragedy, I heard jet engines pass our building, which, being so close to the airport is very common. But I thought the airport was closed. I figured it was a plane coming in for landing. A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye. It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke."
- Steve Anderson, Director of Communications, USA Today

"Henry Ticknor, intern minister at the Unitarian Universalist Church of Arlington, Virginia, was driving to church that Tuesday morning when American Airlines Flight 77 came in fast and low over his car and struck the Pentagon. 'There was a puff of white smoke and then a huge billowing black cloud,' he said."
- "Hell on Earth." UU World, Jan/Feb 2002

"Northern Virginia resident John O'Keefe was one of the commuters who witnessed the attack on the Pentagon. 'I was going up 395, up Washington Blvd., listening to the the news, to WTOP, and from my left side-I don't know whether I saw or heard it first- I saw a silver plane I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet,' said the 25-year-old O'Keefe, managing editor of Influence, an American Lawyer Media publication about lobbying. 'It came swooping in over the highway, over my left shoulder, straight across where my car was heading. I'd just heard them saying on the radio that National Airport was closing, and I thought, "That's not going to make it to National Airport." And then I realized where I was, and that it was going to hit the Pentagon. There was a burst of orange flame that shot out that I could see through the highway overpass. Then it was just black. Just black, thick smoke.'"
- "Terrorist 'Situation'." American Lawyer Media, 11 Sep 2001


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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 08:56 AM
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22. The best eyewitness account I ever read:
I saw it with my own eyes, a huge jet, or maybe it was a cruise missle with wings, it swooped around in a tight arc and at the same time made an incredibly steep descent. Then it leveled out just enough to knock over some light poles, but kept flying straight on, then dropped a little lower and for the final few seconds came in so low to the ground that it seemed unbelievable that it didn't touch the ground at all, hardly a ripple. It was heading right towards one of the walls of the Pentagon! It was surreal, horrifying. And then I saw this huge plane, or maybe a cruise missle with wings, just go right through the wall with a white and orange fireball, an explosion but no signs of wreckage! It was as if it had all melted, as if the wings just folded back like on a paper plane, and it seemed to be gobbled up by an 18 foot wide hole on the first floor, wings engines tail everything just slipped right inside, nothing at all remaining outside. It seemed incredible, impossible, something I never could have imagined. The Pentagon! The SAME wall they had been reinforcing the past few years! And I just stood there in shock. Walls and windows were on fire but whenever the smoke blew away, I saw nothing but a bit of scrap aluminum on the lawn and some confetti like pieces blowing around...
I was in shock, I just stood there and watched the local fire and rescue crews shoot water at damaged wall as if they were trying to hide something...
I had nightmares for months. Then I read about what happened on Snopes and Critical Thrash, you know, the skateboard site, and I could finally rest easy. All became clear. The melting planes, the walls without resistance, all finally made sense.
Or maybe it was a cruise missle with wings.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 09:43 AM
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24. Where was that then?


Funny isn't it, the way that google.com when primed with "maybe a cruise missle" comes up with no such account.





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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:00 AM
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26. No need to.
Twas from the CNN report cited above.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 11:37 AM
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28. Where was that then?

When quoting the usual routine is to cite a reference.

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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 12:20 PM
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33. In the OCT EYEWITNESS stories cited above...
The CNN story. But as you missed the main point it doesn't really matter.
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 01:03 PM
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34. Link?

Do you ever bother to check yourself before posting?

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Robbie67 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:16 PM
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42. Why did they snatch up the videos from the area?
Why haven't they been released?

Why haven't the voice and data from the two black boxes of Flight 93 been made public?

How does an impact that only creates a small hole in the outer ring manage to go through 6 more walls, yet the windows on the outer wall were not broken?
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RH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:09 PM
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43. Read all the previous threads.

The FBI gather evidence. That's their job. Evidence collected from private property is private property.

The Flight 93 data has been made available in the form of a computer simulation. What else would you do with it?

The ground floor of the Pentagon through the three outer rings was one continuous floor. The kinetic energy upon impact was equivalent to the energy of a huge quantity of ordinary explosives.

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