Government Insider Says Bush Authorized 9/11 Attacks

[tommcintyre]

http://www.disinfo.com/site/displayarticle6711.html

'Keep in mind when reading this, that the man being interviewed is no two-bit internet conspiracy buff.

'Stanley Hilton was a senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole (R) and has personally known Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz for decades. This courageous man has risked his professional reputation, and possibly his life, to get this information out to people.

'"This (9/11) was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder."' (Rense article and Prison Planet audio).

Links for watching online here:

The Truth and Lies of 9/11
911: The Road to Tyranny

http://www.independentmediasource.com/video.htm

[LTR]

2. You had me up until the word 'Rense'

I don't trust the word of a guy who thinks the Holocaust never happened.

Besides, I don't believe Bush planned 9/11. He's too fucking stupid to pull some thing like that off and not get caught. 9/11 was pure dumb luck for Dumbya, and it helped lift his severely sagging presidency to the point of still being competitive in 2004.

[tommcintyre]

5. But it might be like the boy who cried "wolf"

A "conspiracy nut" may actually stumble across the "real deal". Remember the movie Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118883/

And W does very little, he's just the "front" for the neocons, etc.

[LTR]

11. Those guys are almost as dumb as chimp

I doubt any of those clowns could pull off a 9/11.

[tommcintyre]

22. I doubt they planned it, but I think they "knew" and let it happen

There's many reasons for this, from the Neocon statement about needing a "new Pearl Harbor", to the knowing look on Bush's face after Card told him about the 2nd plane, and his immediate reaction thereafter.

[The Minus World]

36. No Clowns

Believing that the presidency just fell into this man's lap despite his tremendous idiocy is the misconception of the century.

Believing that the events of 9/11 were undertaken by a radical Muslim group is just as farfetched.

The Grand Chessboard lays out the crime, the motives and the alibi - Crossing the Rubicon connects the dots.

[LoZoccolo]

12. You cite a fictional movie in support of a conspiracy theory.

Yeah.

[tommcintyre]

23. Only because it lays out some plausible ideas

Some "nut case" could stumble onto something legitimate, just because they are looking for it.

Most importantly, I think we should always look at everything to see if there is ANY useful information.

[LoZoccolo]

25. No we shouldn't look at everything to find some true information.

That'd be a huge waste of time, which is what conspiracy theorists do. They inundate you with a ton of detail and send you on a wild goose chase too long to debunk the whole thing.

[tommcintyre]

27. Just the "overview" so we can grasp the "big picture" better

I agree, there is so much info out there, we must be selective. But I think we need to be exposed to the whole spectrum of ideas - to form more accurate conclusions. The degree of attention we give to each point of view is another matter - not always a clear and easy decision. I think we have to guard against shutting out differing ideas just because they don't match our preconceptions. Finally, I think its important to look as much at "why" (motivations - conscious and subconscious) they say what they do, as much as the "what".

[demodewd]

37. didn't plan

Hilton isn't inferring that Bush "planned" 9-11,he's simply stating that he "authorized" it.

[Nordic]

3. Hilton has also said Kerry is trying to lose on purpose

He sorta lost me with that comment

[tommcintyre]

10. Others made that same argument not too long ago

Some of the statements, actions/inactions in August caused this idea to cross my mind. I did some research and found others were thinking the same possibility.

After the debates, I'm convinced that all the August boo-boos can be chalked up to trying to play it too safe, and bad advice.

Personally, I think we should judge less the messenger, and more the message.

[Nordic]

13. MIHOP attracts a lot of nut-jobs

as evidenced by those we get here on DU.

I'm a MIHOPer myself, but I am the first to blow off nutjobs.

One has to discount the most unlikely, and embrace the most-likely.

A lot of these nutjobs don't do that. They take the most outrageous thing they can possibly imagine and run with it.

Wanting to believe something doesn't make it true.

My own MIHOP epiphany came after much research, homework, and skeptical analysis of the facts.

It was difficult to accept. Still is.

[seventhson]

38. ummm

never mind

[aquart]

6. I can buy everything but the signature. No way, Jose. No way.

[Demfromct]

8. I don;t think so

Mods, delete this post please. This is not a site for conspiracy paranoia.

[tommcintyre]

26. Subject line "good" - message body "bad"

"I don;t think so": Wonderful! Your opinion - that's what du (and progressivism/liberalism) is all about. :)

"delete this post please": Not so good (even though you asked nicely) - that's what extremism is all about (control thinking/free expression). And this post is on topic -you just don't like it.

[Roland99]

7. *yawn*...this *IS* two-bit conspiracy stuff

Nothing to see here...move along.

[Name removed]

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[tommcintyre]

20. Freeper? Your not a lawyer, way too poor logic

I won't even defend against that incredibly stupid comment.

I've already wasted too much time responding to you.

[DefenseLawyer]

4. No, you wasted everyone's time

posting some crazy conspiracy theory nonsense. In my opinion you would do this for one of two reasons: because you wanted to disrupt things here i.e. a freeper, or you actually believe it, i.e. a lunatic. EVEN if such a thing were true, which it's not, it is certainly not something that helps John Kerry 3 days before the election in any way shape or form. I'm not trying to attack you, that's just not a very strategic way to attack Bush on the eve on the election.

[tommcintyre]

19. A "closed mind" is a most dangerous thing

Bush (admin) knew nothing - They planned the whole thing.

The truth probably lies somewhere in between.

You make some amazing (and very limited and illogical) assumptions:

1, I believe this, or 2, I'm trying to disrupt things - what narrow thinking. There may be (probably is) some degree of truth in their information. I trust every individual to use their own judgment on this matter. As far as disrupting things: Look around, there is so much varying info here now. If individuals gain any more insight into the many dishonesties of the Bush admin, it can only motivate them more. It's not my job to "spoon-feed" only the info "I" think may cause them to do what I want (recognize anybody here?).

As far as, "I'm not trying to attack you"; I judge people not by what they say, but by what they do.

[HR_Pufnstuf]

14. The Pet Goat proves LIHOP

Its starting to look like some folks are calling for MIHOP.

There are no secret agendas in the information age. All will be known eventually aye.

I, for one, would like to have seen the Benefitors of the massive short-selling on United Airlines, printed in the 9/11 report, how bout u???

[LTR]

28. "Pet Goat" proved Bush choked

He was told the country was being attacked and he crapped his pants.

And people think he's keeping us safe from terra. :eyes:

[AntiCoup2K4]

32. Who would have immediate access to the details on these stock sales....

...and why haven't they been subpoenaed?

[melody]

15. Disinfo makes up for Rense

Rense is a nutcase but Disinfo is owned by calmer heads.

[melody]

17. but I think his opinions on Kerry are nonsense. n/t

[seventhson]

16. Well ---- Interview here MMMMMmmmmmm.....

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:REAttXSjAqQJ:incunabula.org/valis/modules.php%3Fop%3Dmodload%26name%3DNews%26file%3Darticle%26sid%3D170+%22Stanley+Hilton%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&strip=1

[tommcintyre]

1. Yep, I think this may be the topic freepers don't want discussed

I don't necessarily agree, or disagree with any of this; but its interesting to see how it brought some freepers out of the DU woodwork. ;~}

The reaction is making me think I should investigate this further.

[Starlight]

18. Just a couple days after 9/11...

my coworker said the same thing. She heard it from her relative who worked in military intelligence.

[WoodrowFan]

41. oh, well

we all know information heard from a friend who has a relative who "works for someone" is nEVER wrong. Sheesh. I think if your friends relative was willing to tell others about such an awful crime he'd be willing to tell, oh, the PRESS or some such.

[Hoffnung]

21. Bush is a man of honor and respect he would never do such a thing!

</sarcasm>

:evilgrin:

[harpo]

24. its a lure to try and get Kerry to jump on it...don't be duped like cbs

[Technowitch]

29. Um, no. And here's your roll of tin foil, friend.

Sorry, but this is just too far out there.

Show some proof, not unsubstantiated claims.

[tommcintyre]

31. You jump to the conclusion I believe this, just because I posted it?

That is truly amazing.

You might consider expanding your horizens a little more, friend.

[Hello_Kitty]

30. Sorry I'm a LIHOPer, if anything

I don't give this inept administration credit for the ability to plan anything, much less a major terrorist attack. If it was MIHOP, they would've screwed it up and blew their own cover long before they could even carry it out.

[tommcintyre]

33. I tend to agree with you, BUT THAT'S ONLY MY OPINION

Caps aren't for you, just to get the attention of some more closed minded people BEFORE they post :~}

[Historic NY]

34. send it to freeper land let them freak out, along with some Reynolds wrap

They need something to keep them busy.

[tommcintyre]

35. Best idea I heard all night - anybody have have Ann Coulter's em?

I think you're right - this story definitely pushes the freeper's buttons. It seems to have brought some of the freeper trolls out of the woodwork here. There's been calls to delete this post (attempted censorship), insults, etc. Pretty funny tho. ;~}

[seventhson]

39. I tend to believe this- ONLY Halliburton/ Military had ability to do 9-11

altho this might be a good example of "innoculation" -- true story with poor details and a whack-job or easily discredied person promoting it.

I think this guy is such a discreditable person. However I think what he says is true.

Fraudulent litigation is often a technique that can be used to undermine the truth, however (ie - just because he is suing does not mean he is trying to win. He may be doing the opposite - have the matter dismissed and denied in court setting a permanent precedent).

His supposed ties to Dole seem tenuous as well.

Not reliable but probably true.

They innoculate against TRUE stories.


The technical precision needed to pull this off is ONLY available to military contractors and those are Bush.s dirtiest allies.

BTW, I have said from the beginning I believe the remote controlled aspect of this. I do NOT believe the hijackers were in control but were the patsies and were a diversion from the truth.

That is why Vreeland is kind of credible on this issue.

[WoodrowFan]

40. he was no "Senior Advisor"

Hilton was no "Senior Advisor" to Dole. he was one of many staffers about 20 years ago. That's just one of countless lies he tells to get attention.

nut case through and through.