The video had to be phony because....

[defendandprotect]

interesting review of 9/11 . . .

http://nomoregames.net/index.php?page=911&subpage1=no_planer_resigns

[LARED]

1. "Interesting" is not quite the word I would use

Q: Why is the video phony?

A: The video is phony because airliners don’t meld into steel and concrete buildings, they crash against them!

Q: Why would the establishment elite pull off a phony video?

A: The video had to be phony because the Illuminati, or whatever we want to call them, had to eliminate all possibilities of a foul up. They needed the hijacking scam to implicate the Muslims, but they couldn’t afford any risk. They had to Keep-It-Simple-Stupid so they faked the crashes.

Since we know that the rich will always hang together, have their children intermarry, and do anything to protect their wealth, they must have an organization, an interlocking directorate, if you will, that is compartmentalized. I could have done a better job, but they faked the video in an amateurish way. A friend of mine could have done a much better job of faking an airplane crash—break a wing off, break a part of the body, throw some fluff in and then I wouldn’t have noticed anything wrong.

The guy has clearly disengaged from reality.

[Realityhack]

2. lol

A friend of mine could have done a much better job of faking an airplane crash—break a wing off, break a part of the body, throw some fluff in and then I wouldn’t have noticed anything wrong.

And every competent engineer and physicist in the world would have immediately spotted the fact that that WOULD be a fake.
Time to get a clue.

[defendandprotect]

3. A cartoon cut out of a "Bugs Bunny" hole in the WTC is believable --???

Aluminum planes crash thru steel like BUTTER -- ???

lol

[Theobald]

4. This is my favorite! Absolutely Nuts!

Quote "They had to Keep-It-Simple-Stupid so they faked the crashes"

Faking the plane crash is simpler than crashing a plane? Really, with tens of thousands of witnesses on site, with millions watching numerous different simultaneous news feeds? That is simple? Not a chance.

[Realityhack]

5. Yeah the KISS argument for fake crashes takes the cake n/t

[defendandprotect]

7. Well, let's give you the ABC version to help you out . . .

First, every nation on the planet has been reporting for months to the US government
that you're coming -- you should expect that the airports are on HIGH ALERT and that
the US government is ready for you -- except . . . again, it's your lucky year!

Bush has been practicing "Operation Ignore" even when the United Nations Security Council
came to alert him in August just before 9/11 of the threats --
They also visited our intelligence agencies to ensure that they knew.
Operation Ignore continued, however --
Presume the hijackers knew they could count on that? :think:

IF you want to use a plane . . . you have to hijack it --
do you really believe our airports are so incapable that there could be four simultaneous
hijackings? :think:

Then, you'd have to worry about NORAD which runs down planes which go off course
or which are unidentified -- except on 9/11. :think:

Now after you've picked the planes, you need to get actual hijackers in there --
and by the way, something like 10 or more of the alleged hijackers have been found alive --
and they have to be capable of hijacking the planes and flying the planes.
How do they get metal box cutters through screening?
Maybe someone plants them on the plane for them?

And -- these people have to be able to fly planes.
Not to mention being willing to kill themselves doing it! :think:

Meanwhile, their best pilot couldn't even manage flying a small plane which he was trying to
rent. They are required for insurance reasons to make sure he could fly -- he couldn't! :think:

Also -- definitely count on having picked a day when you really get LUCKY and the
Pentagon/military are running FOUR SIMULTANEOUS training programs which coincidentally have
to do with hijacked planes! :think:

Also pick a day when our government has sent a good part of our defense fighter jets off to
Alaska and Canada . . . to fight an imaginary war with the Russians! :think:

And when a whole other bunch of our fighter jets are sent to North Carolina on training mission!
That left 14 fighter jets to protect the entire US!:think:

OK . . . so now you have the plane and the passengers. Now what -- ?
Do you kill them all? Do you gas them all? How do you contain them? What are the
possibilities of the hijacking not being successful? :think:

Meanwhile, besides NORAD threat there is also the threat that the planes can be taken over
by remote control.

Every expectation -- except on 9/11 -- is that the US is the most heavily defended nation ever.
Guess we were wrong!!

However, that rumor is the major reason presumably that we could feel confident that the
"The Russians aren't coming! The Russians aren't coming!" :think:

Had they told you that the Russians had done 9/11 you'd still be ROFL --

:think: :think: :think:

and then :think: some more --

You're Muslims . . . what do you expect to benefit by this except having 1.3 or more MUSLIMS
KILLED and your country invaded as has happened? In fact, generally most of the ME invaded
by us -- and "Muslims" now being a dirty word?

:think: :think: :think:

Who really benefited from all of that . . . ?? :think:

[KDLarsen]

8. What on earth are you talking about?

UNSC warning Dubya about threats? Are you talking about the August 6 PDB?

Airport security rules allowed for small knives and tools (ie. boxcutters) to be carried onboard.

NORAD did dispatch fighters on 9/11, but had no idea where to look.

No hijackers have been found alive, every single case has been a matter of mistaken identity.

And there's been plenty of cases of suicide bombers, what's so hard about comprehending a suicide pilot? (Look up Air France flight 8969 if in doubt).

Hani Hanjour couldn't rent a plane because his communications skills were woeful, and besides, all the hard parts of flying a plane were done by the actual pilots. All Hanjour had to do, was to tell the auto-pilot to fly the plane close to Washington DC, disconnect the autopilot and then point the plane at the largest office building around.

No such programs were run, and certainly not 4. One was planned, but cancelled once the attacks unfolded.

As for the lack of fighters, there simply weren't any immediate danger after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Who were going to invade or bomb the US?

At least one team of hijackers had pepper-spray to help contain the passengers. And in any case, the passengers probably thought they were going to land somewhere and then they'd be released. Only the passengers on United 93 found out in time that that wasn't going to be the case.

Remote control of passenger planes? Doesn't exist, won't exist for a long time.

.. not that I think you're going to pay any attention to any of this, just throw out a few more smilies and get on your way in fantasy land.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

18. there was an exercise going on that day

so people were a little confused

[Bolo Boffin]

19. Something that was quickly cleared up by the question "real world or exercise"

And the confusion there was over.

[defendandprotect]

23. Except that the tapes show something else . . .

One bright young guy gets it right away . . .

"are we supposed to believe this coincidence?"

With most of our fighter jets moved off to Canada, Alaska and NC due to Vigilant Guardian
and only 14 left to guard entire US . . .

QUOTE . .

Report NY hijacked aircraft ... real??

Or Exercise??

NO, not an exercise--!

Scramble aircraft?

"Oh, god, I don't know!!!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

28. yes there was a lot of confusion that day

yes that is what was recorded

[Bolo Boffin]

33. but not about real-world or exercise. n/t

[defendandprotect]

36. Excuse me? That's from the tapes . . . !!!

[Bolo Boffin]

38. Yep - asked, answered, done.

If you think two seconds of confirming real world is gross confusion, then you and I disagree.

[defendandprotect]

43. When NORAD is AWOL, it becomes fairly clear what's going on . . .

if you care about your country and it's future . . .

you tend to ask, where was NORAD . . . ?

The fact is NORAD didn't do what they had done 62 times previously that year --

intercept planes that were OFF COURSE, unidentified, or had other problems.

EXCEPT on 9/11 --

[Bolo Boffin]

49. NORAD was not AWOL.

Your understanding of NORAD's job is badly mangled. NORAD was not tasked with intercepting aircraft over the continental U.S. Those intercepts were on incoming aircraft, not domestic flights.

The tapes show exactly where NORAD was and what they were desperately trying to do.

[defendandprotect]

64. Wake up and fess up . . . NORAD was AWOL and Sen. Dayton was chasing them down . . .!!!

Myers is knee deep in this --

and 3 different stories!!!

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040731213239607

[Bolo Boffin]

66. And I'm done chasing down your whack-a-mole game. n/t

[defendandprotect]

67. Right . . . Sen. Mark Dayton was "whack-a-mole" . . . !!! And you want to be taken seriously?

[Bolo Boffin]

71. I don't care if a plane denier doesn't take me seriously, defend. n/t

[defendandprotect]

78. Sen. Mark Dayton is making clear things that you need to ignore . . .

CNN made clear NO PLANE at Pentagon -

Everyone else made clear NO PLANE at Shanksville --

Two planes landed in Cincinnati --

But, why worry when NORAD doesn't respond?

:evilgrin:

[Twist_U_Up]

73. you lose again. taking your ball and going home?

[defendandprotect]

35. Glad you remembered . . . !!!

:)

[KDLarsen]

30. The 14 fighters on alert status was a permanent thing

There were more than 14 fighters on combat ready status (Look up alert status and combat ready status to see what they're all about), that had nothing to do with Vigilant Guardian.

There simply wasn't a percieved need for more fighters on alert status after the Cold War ended.

[defendandprotect]

37. Vigilant Guardian moved planes into Canada and Alaska for an imaginary exercise re Russians . ..

Look it up!!

[SDuderstadt]

39. YOU look it up...

D&P!

[KDLarsen]

53. It didn't have zilch to do with the number of alert status planes

Look it up!!!

[defendandprotect]

65. Except it did . . . Here's the info on Vigilant Guardian - . . . .

The exercises that were conducted on 9/11 were these:

1. Vigilant Guardian
From what is known about Vigilant Guardian, it is clear that it closely mimicked the actual events of 9/11. Vigilant Guardian was thus the source of much confusion among the non-witting NORAD personnel. As we will see, NORAD personnel were bewildered as to whether the reports they were getting represented fictitious events within the exercise, or whether they were dealing with a real emergency. (Aviation Week and Space Technology, June 3, 2002)

This was a joint US-Canada exercise, and was designed to test the coordination of the two defense establishments. According to GlobalSecurity.org: “The VIGILANT GUARDIAN (VG) is a VIGILANT OVERVIEW Command Post Exercise (CPX) conducted in conjunction with USCINCSTRAT-sponsored GLOBAL GUARDIAN and USCINCSPACE-sponsored APOLLO GUARDIAN exercises. The exercise involves all HQ NORAD levels of command and is designed to exercise most aspects of the NORAD mission. One VG is scheduled each year and the length will vary depending on the exercise scenario and
objectives.” (www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/vigilant-guardian.htm)

http://www.conspiracyresearch.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t178.html


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00:06:45
September 11th, 2001. The National Reconnaissance Office in Chantilly, Virginia is preparing for an exercise in which a small corporate jet crashes into their building. NORAD is in the middle of a number of military exercises.

"Sept. 11 was Day II of Vigilant Guardian, an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide."
-Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins

The first, Vigilant Guardian, is described as "An exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide".
"Northern Vigilance, planned months in advance, involves deploying fighter jets to locations in Alaska and Northern Canada."

-Toronto Star, December 9th, 2001
The second, Northern Vigilance, moved fighter jets to Canada and Alaska to fight off an imaginary Russian fleet. Three F-16s from Washington DC's National Guard at Andrews Air Force Base, 15 miles from the Pentagon, are flown 180 nautical miles away for a training mission in North Carolina. This left 14 fighter jets to protect the entire United States.

Our compilation of war games shows what Loose Change misses: the number of exercises scheduled on 9/11/01 requires us to accept an incredible coincidence if the official story is true.

Even if there were only 14 fighter jets, it doesn't begin to explain the failure to protect the Pentagon, just 11 miles from Andrews Air Force base. Loose Change, despite its breadth, sidesteps the whole matter of NORAD's amazing failure to defend the skies -- and the stand-down it implies.

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/introduction.html



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And if your post wasn't so pitiful, it would be laughable . . .

Good way to protect your country -- !!!

:eyes:

[KDLarsen]

74. Let me try that once more..

There were 14 fighters on alert status (ie. fuelled, armed and with pilots ready to go), 4 of which were assigned to NEADS (2 at Langley, 2 at Otis). That didn't change one bit, even with Vigilant Guardian. All that did, was take some of the other fighters, who would otherwise just be idle at their base, and move them to Alaska to monitor the Russian excercise.

The article mentions that 3 F-16's were moved from Andrews to participate in Vigilant Guardian. That didn't have an impact at all, since Langley was host to the alert status fighters.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

44. yes combat ready but there was a screen

I think you know what happened

[SDuderstadt]

45. Do you even know what the term "combat ready" means?

How is it different than "on alert"?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

47. in 'normal circumstances'

but our guys were held

[SDuderstadt]

48. WTF?

Umm, no.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

29. there was a delay though

[defendandprotect]

21. There were FOUR simultaneous exercises scheduled for that day . . .

[defendandprotect]

20. No . . . UNITED NATIONS warned Bush and intelligence agencies in AUGUST . . .

The UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL WAS APPROACHED BY THE RUSSIANS WITH THE INFO THEY HAD
BECAUSE THEY WERE SO CONCERNED ABOUT WH 'OPERATION IGNORE' . . .
THEREFORE, THE UNTIED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL SENT REPRESENTATIVES TO WHITE HOUSE AND
OUR INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES WITH THE WARNINGS -- ACTUALLY, THERE WERE NAMES OF HIJACKERS
INCLUDED -- THIS WAS IN AUGUST --

NO -- I DON'T MEAN THE CIA WARNING --

NORAD did dispatch fighters on 9/11, but had no idea where to look.

Look, I'll take you seriously, otherwise you'd see a string of ROFL -- for now.
NORAD was essentially pulled -- jet fighters shipped to Canada and Alaska and North Carolina.
14 fighter jets left here to guard all of US.
Wake up!
They had no idea where to look? Are you kidding me.
Even when the transponder is turned off - the government and the airline can identify it.

No hijackers have been found alive, every single case has been a matter of mistaken identity.

I'm not going to argue this with you because it's inane --
Further, FBI says there is no proof that these alleged hijackers were involved -
or that the hijackers were Al Qaeda -- nor that OBL was involved! No proof!
FBI also says there were NO PHONE CALLS -- impossible.

And . . .
And there's been plenty of cases of suicide bombers, what's so hard about comprehending a suicide pilot? (Look up Air France flight 8969 if in doubt).

Yes, I'm sure that Falwell or Dobbs would have dug up a few Evangelicals to volunteer --

And this shows signs of you're being in denial --

Hani Hanjour couldn't rent a plane because his communications skills were woeful, and besides, all the hard parts of flying a plane were done by the actual pilots. All Hanjour had to do, was to tell the auto-pilot to fly the plane close to Washington DC, disconnect the autopilot and then point the plane at the largest office building around.

There's no proof that Hanjour was ever trained as a pilot. Nor that the "pilots" were alive.
Additionally, in hijacking cases, the government can take over the plane with remote control.
Nor would Hanjour or any other pilot of a commercial jet be able to do the acrobatics these planes
alleged did -- nor would the plane withstand it.

If you've listened to the tapes, those attempting to get info in to the military re hijackings
and the need for air defense met with confused personnel who were not clear as to whether this
was part of the "training exercise" or real. Of course, one alert young man commented on how
suspicious this was -- with "Are we supposed to believe this coincidence?"

If you listen to the right wing "The Russians are coming!" --
Meanwhile, had they told you that the Russians had done this, you'd be ROFL --

Again -- there were no phone calls --

Likely there were no planes --
Certainly there were NO PLANES at either the Pentagon nor Shanksville --



At least one team of hijackers had pepper-spray to help contain the passengers. And in any case, the passengers probably thought they were going to land somewhere and then they'd be released. Only the passengers on United 93 found out in time that that wasn't going to be the case.

Remote control of passenger planes? Doesn't exist, won't exist for a long time.

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes:


.. not that I think you're going to pay any attention to any of this, just throw out a few more smilies and get on your way in fantasy land.

Do you really think that anyone would pay attention to this nonsense?
It's a lot of OCT tin foil -- !!

[SDuderstadt]

22. D&P, as usual...

believes if she says something, it must be true. Note that she provides not one source for any of her bullshit. Fucking unbelievable. I mean, do you honestly believe the U.N. Security Council knew the names of the hijackers? Isn't this a bizarre claim from someone who also insists that "no planes" were involved in the attacks?

If D&P has any supporters here at all, could you please identify yourselves?

[hack89]

34. 14 interceptors was the grand total of strip alert fighters for all of America

prior to 911. NORAD was not pulled away. You just don't understand how the military works.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

46. what happened to the 14?

basically the USA was clearly not ready for anything like 9/11.

[KDLarsen]

54. Congratulations

You just reached the same conclusion as the 9/11 Commission ;)

As for what happened to the 14? 4 of them were launched (2 from Otis, 2 from Langley), which was the grand number of available alert status fighters available to the NEADS.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

56. the people who were in control should have been reprimanded

and they weren't. Medals were given and congratulations instead.

[KDLarsen]

57. They did what they could, with what little info they had

What they actually did on the day is commendable. The coverup some of them attemped during the 9/11 Commission hearings are not.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

59. the people at the top failed

not the regular personnel

[KDLarsen]

60. What should the people at the top have done?

I'm not entirely sure the Air Force Chief of Staff had all the answers. By the looks of it, he had been on the post for less than a week on 9/11.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

61. I'm talking about the Commander in cheif and Defense secretary and his VP

they are the oines who should have carried the blame.

[KDLarsen]

62. What medals and pats on the back did *they* recieve?

As far as I can remember, neither of them recieved any medal - and Bush got slammed pretty hard for having spent the better part of 8 months on vacation, rather than listening to what his security advisors were trying to tell him.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

63. They didn't have their act together

and they could have been ready.

[hack89]

55. Bingo - you finally get it. nt

[defendandprotect]

70. Here's what happened . .. planes were sent EAST in another "coincidence" . . .

Senator Mark Dayton was the "he" . . .

And, he said, a squadron of NORAD fighter planes that was scrambled was sent east over the Atlantic

Ocean and was 150 miles from Washington, D.C., when the third plane struck the Pentagon --

"farther than they were before they took off."

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040731213239607
About two-thirds of the way down ---

[hack89]

75. Their initial heading was to the Northeast

after only a couple of minutes they altered course to the north west.

[defendandprotect]

76. NORAD 150 miles from DC when "plane" hit Pentagon -- father than they were before take off--!

and was 150 miles from Washington, D.C., when the third plane struck the Pentagon --

"farther than they were before they took off."


But it's interesting hack89 that you need to so desperately try to distort and alibi . . .

[defendandprotect]

68. Here's the info . . . NORAD was out-of-town . . .

Except it did . . . Here's the info on Vigilant Guardian - . . . .

Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 12:37 AM by defendandprotect
The exercises that were conducted on 9/11 were these:

1. Vigilant Guardian
From what is known about Vigilant Guardian, it is clear that it closely mimicked the actual events of 9/11. Vigilant Guardian was thus the source of much confusion among the non-witting NORAD personnel. As we will see, NORAD personnel were bewildered as to whether the reports they were getting represented fictitious events within the exercise, or whether they were dealing with a real emergency. (Aviation Week and Space Technology, June 3, 2002)

This was a joint US-Canada exercise, and was designed to test the coordination of the two defense establishments. According to GlobalSecurity.org: “The VIGILANT GUARDIAN (VG) is a VIGILANT OVERVIEW Command Post Exercise (CPX) conducted in conjunction with USCINCSTRAT-sponsored GLOBAL GUARDIAN and USCINCSPACE-sponsored APOLLO GUARDIAN exercises. The exercise involves all HQ NORAD levels of command and is designed to exercise most aspects of the NORAD mission. One VG is scheduled each year and the length will vary depending on the exercise scenario and
objectives.” (www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/vigilant-guardian.h... )

http://www.conspiracyresearch.org/forums/lofiversion/in...


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00:06:45
September 11th, 2001. The National Reconnaissance Office in Chantilly, Virginia is preparing for an exercise in which a small corporate jet crashes into their building. NORAD is in the middle of a number of military exercises.

"Sept. 11 was Day II of Vigilant Guardian, an exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide."
-Lt. Col. Dawne Deskins

The first, Vigilant Guardian, is described as "An exercise that would pose an imaginary crisis to North American Air Defense outposts nationwide".
"Northern Vigilance, planned months in advance, involves deploying fighter jets to locations in Alaska and Northern Canada."

-Toronto Star, December 9th, 2001
The second, Northern Vigilance, moved fighter jets to Canada and Alaska to fight off an imaginary Russian fleet. Three F-16s from Washington DC's National Guard at Andrews Air Force Base, 15 miles from the Pentagon, are flown 180 nautical miles away for a training mission in North Carolina. This left 14 fighter jets to protect the entire United States.

Our compilation of war games shows what Loose Change misses: the number of exercises scheduled on 9/11/01 requires us to accept an incredible coincidence if the official story is true.

Even if there were only 14 fighter jets, it doesn't begin to explain the failure to protect the Pentagon, just 11 miles from Andrews Air Force base. Loose Change, despite its breadth, sidesteps the whole matter of NORAD's amazing failure to defend the skies -- and the stand-down it implies.

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/in...

[maddezmom]

69. your first 2 links aren't working for me

:hi:

[defendandprotect]

77. Thanks --

tried to fix it but it may be something with my computer/browser --

Sorry --

[Theobald]

9. You don't even have a basic grasp of history

The US is the most heavily defended nation ever?

Please explain how so. We might have the best military ever, but we are not more heavily defended than say the Soviet Union.

"not to mention being willing to kill themselves doing "

Because suicide bombers, kamikaze's, and such are unheard of.

[Subdivisions]

14. Yeah, the Soviet Union...

I'm supposed to fly there on a business trip next week.

[SDuderstadt]

15. Does anyone have any idea...

wtf Subdivisions is babbling about?

[Subdivisions]

16. Theo was explaining that the Soviet Union is more heavily defended than the U.S. So,

I should feel quite safe while I'm there on business next week.

[SDuderstadt]

17. Well, thanks for sharing that...

I'm sure you assumed we'd care.

[defendandprotect]

25. Stay away from Georgia . . . we might be running another "false flag" there .. ?????

[Theobald]

40. Uh Dude, the Soviet Union doesn't exist anymore. n/t

[Subdivisions]

51. Duh! Your words:

"...but we are not more heavily defended than say the Soviet Union."

Perhaps it is you who needs to be reminded that there is no Soviet Union.

[Bolo Boffin]

52. I believe Theobald was holding up the Soviet Union as an example of a heavily defended country.

That doesn't imply that Theobald believes you can fly to the Soviet Union this very moment. You imported that into his statement and then made fun of him for something you had put there. That's called a straw man argument.

[Theobald]

58. Words have meaning.

DandP said the US is the most heavily defended nation ever; not just present day, 'ever'. So logically it is acceptable for me to bring up past nations that no longer exist but I believe were more heavily defended than the 2001 era USofA. I have proffered the now defunct Soviet Union, which took the security of it's borders to such an extreme that it would execute people trying to illegally cross it. They also had a massive military, and incredibly robust internal and external systems of spies and informants, and a complete disregard for human suffering.

The Soviet Union is a specific government that no longer exists, so when I said I was talking about the Soviet Union, I assumed you would realize I was talking about a past government and not present day Russia. Just like if I referenced say the Ottoman Empire you would understand that I was talking about a historical situation and not the present. Of course I see that was assuming way too much.

[Theobald]

79. Duh! I'm still waiting for a real response.

[Subdivisions]

80. Tap your foot while you're waiting. And when

if falls off, get back with me and I'll respond.

[Theobald]

81. Come on Subby Wubby!

I'm trying to have a dialoge here. I made a cogent point with regards to DandP's claim that the US was the most heavily defended country ever. I proferred the Soviet Union as a more heavily defended country and all you can do is spout ridicule at me by insinuating that I think the Soviet Union still exists, when I clearly never made such a claim. Do you care to refute my claim or do you want your previous ignorant spoutings to stand as your last will and testament with regards to this discussion?

[defendandprotect]

24. Well, that's the rumor that $900 billion a year buys security -- !!!

I'd believe Evangelicals would have done it for Bush --

:rofl:

[Theobald]

41. Dumb, da dumb, da dumb

If we were the most heavily defended country ever, a claim which you have provided no evidence to support, do you think that 12 million illegal aliens would have been able to enter the country and stay so easily?

[Flatulo]

6. That reminds me, has anyone gotten their Illuminati stipend yet this month?

[SDuderstadt]

10. Don't spread this around, but...

I've elected to forego the stipend and am now on straight commission with a small draw.

[aronbehar]

11. This reminds me of junior high school

same group of bullies making remarks about the "illuminati". I don't see anything about the illuminati in the OP. Look at the footage for yourself people, it is absurd. The plane shaped hole is really ridiculous and the "silhouette" is different in the different shots. It's fake.

[Bolo Boffin]

12. Plane fakery is something you buy into, aron? n/t

[defendandprotect]

27. Aluminum planes don't crash thru steel buildings like BUTTER -- !!!

There's NO PLANE by all accounts at Shanksville --

There's NO PLANE by all accounts at Pentagon --

The first plane at WTC is heresay, except for Naudet film . . . ahem.

The second plane was NOT seen by any but actors on the streets brainwashing public!

Oh -- yeah -- we do recall that second plane that went right through WTC in a NOSE OUT!!



:rofl: :rofl:

[Flatulo]

13. Did you actually read the link?

Q: Why would the establishment elite pull off a phony video?

A: The video had to be phony because the Illuminati, or whatever we want to call them, had to eliminate all possibilities of a foul up. They needed the hijacking scam to implicate the Muslims, but they couldn’t afford any risk. They had to Keep-It-Simple-Stupid so they faked the crashes.

[aronbehar]

42. I think the illuminati is nonsense

but I have looked at a lot of footage from 9-11 and think it is doctored or outright fake. The amateur stuff must have been made in advance.
I came to my decisions by looking at everything myself, most of what is available by characters on the internet is made to look ridiculous even if it is true. I didn't think twice about 9-11, and accepted it as truth until the televised footage started emerging and I looked at it, noticing how peculiar everything was.

[William Seger]

50. Uh-huh, I'm almost believing you

I have yet to see a "no plane"/"video fakery" site or video that wasn't based on abject nonsense. You're saying, yeah, you know that, but you've looked into it yourself and came up with evidence that's so convincing you can "absolutely guarantee {me} there were no planes on 9-11." Good solid, irrefutable, no-nonsense evidence like "not one person saw a plane hit a building on 911 except on television" and "the plane shaped hole is really ridiculous?"



:eyes:

[defendandprotect]

26. You didn't get that smart hanging around the dungeon . . . !!!

:)

[William Seger]

31. "The plane shaped hole is really ridiculous" ??

Your assertions are really ridiculous. People who go onto public boards and say ridiculous things are generally ridiculed. There's an easy way to avoid that.

[AZCat]

32. Unplug teh internet?

It's the only way to stop the stupid, IMO.

[sspeilbergfan90]

72. just stupid