FBI: 911 hijackers "possibly deceased"!

[John Doe II]

Have a look at this list:
http://cryptome.org/Finnlist.pdf

And now have a look at our 19 hijackers. They are "possibly deceased"....!

You believe this list is faked?

Then read this:

"A CONFIDENTIAL FBI list of 370 people suspected of helping Osama bin Laden's terrorist network has leaked out.

The names, addresses, telephone numbers, e-mail, and social security codes of the suspects were posted on the internet by Finland's Financial Supervision Authority (RATA).
When the error was spotted, the website was shut down. The list was put together by the FBI and European counter-terrorism agencies for use in tracking down the bank accounts, assets, and money flows of the al-Qa'eda network."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/10/06/wbush106.xml

Isn't it a bit strange that the FBI considered the 19 hijackers only "possibly deceased"!? Shouldn't they be more sure about this??

But now it gets even stranger.
I have taken quite a detailed look at the Bukharis and Abdul Rahman being suspected hijackers. See the thread "Meet the four unknown 911 hijackers".
It is absolutely clear that Abdulaziz and Abdul Rahman are two different persons. With different age, different adress etc etc.

And now have a look at Abdulaziz Al Omari in the above mentioned list. Not only is as his alias mentioned Abdul Rahman but also the adress from Hollywood and from Vero Beach is listed. But Vero Beach is where Bukhari and the 100% very alive Abdul Rahman lived.

Odd, isn't it?

[No Exit]

1. Ha ha ha ha ha

They can't keep their story straight, can they? Kind of like when Rumsfeld, on 2 different occasions, referred to the Pennsylvania plane as having been "shot down".

Anyone who thinks people who think 9/11 wasn't what we're told it was is a kook, is a kook! Okay, I meant to say, anyone who thinks we are kooks for questioning the extremely thin official story about 9/11, is a KOOK! How long must the American people be (as a group) so STUPID that they will continue to swallow every bit of the administration's "terror" tales?

Did you know, in Freeperville, they have an ongoing set of threads called "Terror Matrix"? And that the posts on these threads are in the 10's of thousands, far exceeding posts on any other topic? They keep this bullshit alive by attributing every little thing to "terror". Sheep--that's what they are, sheep! So are many other Americans!

The Iraq war was planned way before 9/11. Bob Woodward's well-sourced book told us this. The Afghan invasion was done primarily to facilitate the development of an oil pipeline there by Unocal. (And Michael Moore's F 911 is by no means my only source for that--there are multiple primary sources to back that up, including federal court records in the state of Texas.)

Do you read madcowprod.com or onlinejournal.com? If people would ever stop being foolish or lazy or both, they'd wake up to this huge scam being perpetrated on us by "Project For A New American Century". If only they would wake up, they would be absolutely livid at how the Bush regime had terrorized them for years with its multiple hoaxes. (No, I'm not saying those innocents didn't die on 9/11, I'm saying their deaths were not caused by what we're told they were caused by!)

[demnan]

2. Sure, MIHOP

I believe it. That's also why nothing is being done seriously to stop terrorism. It wasn't a huge danger in the first place.

[No Exit]

6. You got it!

And I don't think it was just Bush. The CIA has had its hands in some incredible secrets over the decades.... of course, Daddy Bush DOES have major CIA connection... ooops, back to Bush.

You know the Carlyle Group? They are so high-finance that I had trouble figuring out exactly what it is they do, but one thing I figured out: they buy up companies, "refurbish" them, and try to sell them at a profit. There was this one defense contractor company that I understand was doing really poorly. It had been bought by Carlyle as a company in distress, but they weren't doing well with it and I think it was kind of a loser for them. It's said that that company had a very sudden, speedy recovery DIRECTLY after 9/11. Right after 9/11, the company's value began going up, and I'm sure Carlyle is no longer worried about it--if they haven't already sold said company for a nice tidy profit.

Then there's the matter of how the insurance coverage on the Trade Towers was tripled in June, 2001. Henry Kissinger was involved in that deal. So the insureds collected a huge amount of money when, coincidentally, the towers were destroyed on 9/11/01. How conveeenient!

[Old and In the Way]

14. bin Laden family had the larest construction company in Saudi Arabia

and they were on the board of Carlyle. And the othet side of their investment portfolio is offensive weapon systems. Think about that for a second.

Construction......Destruction.......Reconstruction.

Repeat as often as necessary (to make lots of money).

Oil, War, Rebuild Contracts.....your 3 basic ways for Republicans to make lots of money these days.

[SouthernDem2004]

3. Yea, I like the word kook....

They would be listed as possibly deceased because their bodies were not recovered. They were destroyed in the fire.

Listing them as possibly deceased is the same as listing soldiers from the Vietnam and Korean wars as MIA. Alot of them we are fairly certain died when their aircraft went down but we do not know for certain since we did not recover the bodies out of the jungles and mountains.

[elehhhhna]

4. Luckily that kooky terrorist's passport came out unscathed.

[Bolo Boffin]

8. It didn't come out unscathed.

It suffered a sizable amount of burn damage.

But thanks for playing.

[John Doe II]

10. Enter the game

Ready
to explain how this famous passport survived the attack of the WTC and managed to be found several blocks away?
And how the hell does it in any way prove that Suqami was in the plane?
The found of this passport in fact proves nothing contrary to what the Commission might say.

[meppie-meppie not]

19. these guys used so many aliases and interchangeably between one

another, I don't think that recovered passport proved anything as to just who was on-board that flight. JMO

[John Doe II]

5. Difference

In Vietnam there was still a minimum of hope. In case of 911: If the FBI believes they entered the planes (although here is already a lack of evidence) and that the planes hit the known targets then there is ABSOLUTELY no way that they could have survived.
In any case if the FBI would have wanted a definite proof before declaring them dead (I mean they are on a list that the FBI considered suspicious people that should be closely looked at) then why didn't they (in case of AA 77 and UA 93) go for the DNA proof or fingerprints to make sure they have been aboard? See thread about DNA!

[John Doe II]

7. What's this lousy FBI-investigation?

Does anybody of the OTC mind to explain to me in plain English how it is possible that the FBI

a.) considers two persons (that have proven beyound the shadow of a doubt to be two different person) as the very same person?

b.) considers Abdul Rahman Al Omari who was live on CNN, entered the US-embassy in order to prove that he's alive and not a 911 hijacker ... why does the FBI consider him now as a terror suspect?


I mean this is as strange as the whole story about the four unknown hijackers which not a single OTC wants to discuss....

[Bolo Boffin]

9. This article was filed on October 6, 2001!!!!

Less than a month after the attacks, suspects in the attack were labeled as "possibly deceased." And this shocks you?

[John Doe II]

11. Yeah

I think that on October 6, 2001 one could assume with quite a certainty that our 19 hijackers were pretty dead?

And it shocks me especially to see the FBI still believing Abdul Rahman Al Omari and Abdulaziz Al Omari to be the same person (for further details please check out the thread: "Meet the four unknown hijackers").

[Bolo Boffin]

13. :eyes:

I think that on October 6, 2001, the presumption of death of actual individuals still needed to be noted as such. That's the way careful investigations are run.

[John Doe II]

15. Carfeful investigation

If it really was a careful investigation then please explpain me why the FBI never bothered of identifying the hijackers poisitively which es in case fo AA 77 and UA 93 wouldn't have been a problem.

If it really was a careful investigation then please answer the second part of my question: How can the FBI consider Abdul Rahman und Abdulaziz as one person?

If it really was a careul investigation then plpease explain how it was possible that Ameer and Adnan Bukhari, Abdul Rahman Al Omari and Ameer Kamfar were considered to have been hijackers aboard the planes on 911? (Thread: "Meet the four unknown hijackers")

And is there any reason even today to label the 19 hijackers defititely dead? What has changed since October 6, 2001?

[John Doe II]

16. And moreover

This list was for internal use for FBI and Euopean secret services use only. So need for to use any cautious wordings like this if they are sure theses guys had been on the plane.

[seatnineb]

18. Your defences are withering Bolo.......

So in the minds of the FBI.............the perpertrators of the crime are possibly deceased.......yet the retaliation against Afghanistan had already begun by the time this memo was in circulation!

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[John Doe II]

17. Some of them

Welcome to DU!!

In some cases the FBI wasn't sure if faked ID hadn't been used.
But on Septmeber 27, 2001 the list of our 19 hijackers became official with photos and everything.
And in front of the Independent Commission Robert Bonner even claimed that the names of the hijackers found with the help of the flight manifest in the hours after the attacks were indeed the 19 names of the hijackers. (Unfortunately in view of the two Bukharis, Abdul Rahman Al Omari, Kamfar who didn't turn out to be hijackers and Hanjour who was added to the list only on September 14 our chap Bonner lied under oath. But no problem for our Commission. No questions followed)

But if I recall correctly only about seven hijackers were believed to maybe have used faked IDs. Rest twelve where there was never a shadow of a doubt. Yet the FBI lists all 19 hijackers as "possibly deceased".