Please convince me why Mike Ruppert is credible

[fujiyama]

Alright, often I see people simply recommending people read Mike Ruppert's book, "Crossing the Rubicon". I don't have the money to spend on the book but please tell me why I should believe him when he says that Cheney was the main one responsible.

I've heard only bits and pieces. Something about war games and NORAD.

I've also heard about Vreeland and the guy sounds very fishy and has a history of all sorts of credibility problems.

I more or less believe that four jets were hijacked. Two flew into the WTC, one into th e Pentagon, and another crashed (though possibly may have been shot down) in PA. The WTC fell because of the jet fuel burning.

As for who was responsible - I'm going to go with the Pakistani ISI, backed financially by the Saudis .The true benefactor has been Pakistan considering they have recieved a ton of military aid since 9/11. Since 9/11 the US has ignored nuclear proliferation concerns, sponsering of terrorism in Kashmir, and military links (likely nuclear) with NK and Iran. The evidence is very strong that various officials in the Pakistani military/intelligence outfit wired money to the hijackers as well. Osama bin Laden more or less had a supporting role and while he probably knew what was up, he's not as central as the government has made him out to be. That said, he's clearly an international terrorist and more or less "blessed" any attacks against the US.

The real question is, how close was the CIA relationship in the months preceding 9/11? There is the problem. The CIA was very close to the ISI for many years, as have been the two countries militarily. I'm not sure if the relationship had cooled in the months before 9/11, but I think the CIA knew something was up. I haven't read Graham's book, but he did say that two states had a major part in the attack. It's obviously the Saudis and Pakistanis.

I ultimately think MIHOP is bunk. Al Quaeda exists as does militant Islamic terrorism. It's delusional to believe otherwise. I would put nothing past this administration and they leave little reason to trust them on just about any issue. They have also haven't been forthcoming in the least, stonewalling any attempts to clarify the failure to protect the American people that day.

That itself was reason to impeach them (and possibly imprison several officials), or at the least reject a second term, but Americans bought the "war time president" bullshit. I like Clark's comment, "I'm not attacking Bush because he's fighting terrorism, but because he ISN'T".

[theresistance]

1. I have to admit

I don't need to read Mike Ruppert to write my own stuff on 911. There are plenty of questions about 911 but some ideas are going a bit too far. Having said that, there are many serious questions about 911 than you seem prepared to accept. It's all too convenient. Pipelines in Afganistan, Zbigniew Brzezinki's book about Central Asia in the 1990's, Cheney's talk of "going were the oil is", Operation Northwoods, even the Israelis seen videotaping and cheering in NYC (to be totally ignored), Bush's ignorance of terrorism and Al Qaeda prior to 911...the list goes on. I guess your theories are as valid as the next mans...

[noamnety]

2. If money is the issue

Why not get it from your library if it interests you? If your local library doesn't have it, ask if they can get it through an interlibrary loan.

[ima_sinnic]

3. there are 3 copies on eBay right now, one at only $2.00 to start

... but somehow I don't really believe that money is the issue.
The only way you'll be able to weigh the validity of his ideas is to read them for yourself. But you seem to be saying you already "know" what happened around 9/11 and don't want to hear what he or anybody else has to say.
The man's writings can be checked out at his web site, From the Wilderness (I know you can find it if you're motivated enough). Personally I find his ideas and insights very thought-provoking.

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[spooked911]

5. Just read the book-- it is a very exhaustive study of 9/11

and Ruppert makes many good points. Ruppert isn't the be all and end all of 9/11, but he is very good, and has more onfo than any other single place.

If you want, the book is available as a free online file on the Vancouver Indymedia website-- or at least it used to be.

[The Magistrate]

7. No One Can Do That For You, Mr. Fujiyama

Ruppert is not credible: there is no reason whatever for you or anyone else to take him seriously....

[Wilms]

8. Unanswered questions may be a good place to start.

The unanswered questions are pretty much undisputed.
And of course: Google "Operation Northwoods" right from the gov. There's a FOIA pdf you can download and :wow:

Study 1930's Germany.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. I posted this link on Northwoods yesterday.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=29395&mesg_id=30431