Welcome To the New 9/11 Forum

[Sweet Pea]

May this one continue the conviviality of the last!

edited to better explain the subject.

[andyhappy]

1. this forum changes EVERYTHING!!!

[Sweet Pea]

2. LOL Andy...

I am afeared that it won't!

But that's ok...half the fun is the chase! The same way you wouldn't want to catch the thing, what fun would this be if you convinced everyone of your OWN point of view?

[jeff30997]

3. One word :

LIHOP

[MercutioATC]

7. I'll agree with the first three letters of that.

"Let It Happen".


I don't believe it was "On Purpose".

[Old and In the Way]

11. "On Purpose" seems redundant

Of course if they "Let It Happen" it implies "On Purpose" and that's enough to charge this administration with 3000 counts of criminal murder. Maybe then we could get a real investigation into the events of that day.

[Abe Linkman]

12. I understand where you're coming from, but IMO there's ONLY MIHOP.

The 9/11 crimes could not have been merely "allowed to happen", because in order for them to happen, active assistance was necessary. Besides, we already know enough to know that 9/11 was an inside job.

LIHOP is a copout. The only thing that was "allowed to happen" was the public being sold on the notion that OBL planned & carried out the attacks.

[MercutioATC]

14. Actually, it isn't.

"Let It Happen" implies that they knew about the possibility and, due to inaction or incompetence, allowed things to happen.

Adding "On Purpose" gives their actions intent.


I believe they screwed up and allowed things to happen that could have been prevented. I don't believe they had the intent of allowing the 9/11 attacks to happen.

[Abe Linkman]

15. What are those beliefs of yours based on?

And, you said that "In Plane Site" has "numerous inaccurasies", but you have never pointed them out, even after being hounded to do so, and promising that you would.

Beliefs are one thing. I'll stick with knowledge and facts.

[Abe Linkman]

16. Impossible for the 9/11 attacks to take place without assistance

The United States has National Security and Defense policies that are automatically activated whenever there is a National Security threat.
Those policies and procedures CANNOT simply DE-activate on their own.
Therefore, 9/11 can only be MIHOP.

Your idea is an impossibility.

[MercutioATC]

17. Will you EVER stop double-responding to my posts?

Can't you fit it all into one post?

1) I'll get to the "In Plane Site" comments tomorrow. I work 16 hours today and I want to watch the video again before I comment.

2) You're entitled to your opinion. I was stating mine (and not even to you).

[Abe Linkman]

18. Is it your opinion that U.S. Nat'l Security & Defense policies are NOT...

such that they commence automatically upon certain events happening?
Don't you know about all of the news reports of missiles almost being launched due to a mistaken belief that the Russians were in the process of beginning an attack on the United States?

An opinion that 9/11 was a LIHOP event may be an opinion, but it's factually false. No different than being of the opinion that the Earth is flat.

[MercutioATC]

22. Again, you're confusing opinion with fact.

LIHIP/MIHOP/whatever is an opinion. Depending on which data you look at and how you choose to interpret it, many different conclusions can be reached.

I don't pretend to have a great knowledge of national security and defense policies, so I tend not to comment on them much.

[The Magistrate]

24. And The Odd Thing, Good Mercutio

Is that no one who has any real knowledge of those things speaks of them much either....

"Those who know do not speak. Those who speak do not know."

[Abe Linkman]

25. You avoided the issue, because it disproves your CT

You constantly tell us that you work in air traffic control and we have no way of disproving that or proving what your "real" job is, but that isn't the issue here.

You know, or should know that your CT is a lie, because it is impossible for 9/11 to have happened without assistance from inisders.

You owe everyone here an apology for pretending to be "merely offering your opinion". You owe that apology because you know that your CT has been long disproven and it's no different than entering a discussion about Space and insisting that the Earth is flat. That's rude, inconsiderate, and would be unlikely to happen if anonymity wasn't allowed. You'd be laughed out of town, and you know it.

[AZCat]

31. "Everyone here"?

MercutioACT certainly doesn't owe me an apology.

If you think a poster is engaging in behavior that is rude or inconsiderate, perhaps you should use the "alert" button or consider putting that poster on "ignore".

[The Magistrate]

33. It Seems, Mr. Cat

You misunderestimate the situation. You are not reckoning with certain well established facts, or rather fiercely held dogmas, afflicting some of our fellows here.

The first of these is that only those expressing intricate and peculiar views on this matter are genuine people; all who hold, and express, other views of this matter are agents or dupes of the "Hidden Hand" and its great designs, and so have, as an existentialist might say, no "authenticity" about their existance. Thus, in a real sense, for the likes of Mr. Linkman, there are only he and his fellows here, and this place belongs to them alone. We no more exist, really, than the automated opponents of some combat simulation program on a Game-Boy device, or than other people do to a sociopath.

The second of these is the existance of great hordes in agreement with those expressing intricate and peculiar views of this matter, who the handful here are mere harbingers of, and whose agents they concieve themselves to be. Thus, when they speak, they do so with the cry that their name is Legion, and they contain multitudes. So it is they who are the true majority view, once these phantom armies are factored into the equation. Such belief is an understandable protection against the breaking through into conciousness of awareness of one's isolation: people do not like to be alone in their perceptions, and if driven to it, will happily consort with imagined hordes of comrades in lieu of the real flesh and bone.

"The greatest of follies is belief in the palpably untrue; it is the chief occupation of mankind."

[AZCat]

35. As I have asked before (with no satisfactory resolution)...

If I am (as alleged in a number of posts) an agent of some sinister entity, why am I subsisting on a diet of Ramen noodles? My work here must be comparable to that of Maggie Gallagher, or should be if the rhetoric here is to believed. :eyes:

[MercutioATC]

34. Another personal attack? You're getting sloppy, Abe.

Calling somebody "rude" and "inconsiderate" and accusing them of "pretending to be "merely offering your opinion"" isn't in good form, Abe. Isn't it you who repeatedly gets upset about people you think are "shooting the messenger"?

:eyes:


That aside, I believe what I've posted here and I make no apologies for that. You're free to disagree, but to accuse people of having ulterior motives is juvenile.

[Abe Linkman]

36. Don't flatter yourself. Crying in public won't change the facts.

Attacking a position is well within the rules. Trying to suppress the truth by way of the tactic of publicly claiming you were personally attacked is unbecoming, but not unexpected.

[MercutioATC]

38. Why do you feel the need to insist that I have ulterior motives?

Why not just respond to my posts?

Do I suggest that your posts suggest the rantings of somebody who isn't taking their medication as prescribed? No. I deal with the content of your posts and let others decide if they think somebody forgot their meds.

Since you don't even know me, isn't it a little silly to speculate about what motivates me to post here?

[LARED]

26. Impossible you say?

Such a bold statement indicates we have a National Security and Defense Policy expert participating in the forum. Thanks AA, at last we know where your expertise lies.

So tell us what National Security and Defense policies were supposed to be activated on 9/11, but were de-activated?

[Abe Linkman]

27. Possible, you say? In your dreams.

Tell us how that could happen. You've been here long enough to know that this country has Nat'l Security and Defense policies that go into effect immediately whenever there is even a perceived threat.

[LARED]

28. AA, you're the one claiming knowledge in this area, not me

What National Security and Defense policies were supposed to automatically happen, but were stopped to permit 9/11 to happen?

[Name removed]

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[LARED]

30. I'm asking you a serious question.

Are you going to answer it?

[Abe Linkman]

37. Stupid questions don't deserve a response.

Ask Cheney what he'd tell you to do.

[The Magistrate]

39. What, Mr. Linkman, Is Stupid About Mr. Lared's Question Above?

You seem convinced that some standing order or other was suspended or disregarded. If you do not know what the standing orders are, Sir, you have no basis for that statement, and the kindest term that could be applied to it is pure speculation. Since you seem to rest a good deal of your peculiar view in this matter on that specific charge, the inescapable conclusion is that you rest your argument on no more than speculation, and this charge cannot be removed until you provide particulars of the standing orders in effect, and the ways in which they were varied from.

"Enquiring minds want to know...."

[LARED]

41. You inability or refusal to answer in quite telling

I'm sorry if it's a difficult question for you, but you were the one implying some knowledge about National Security and Defense policy.

Your MIHOP position relies quite heavily on someone countermanding automatically initiated procedures that YOU claim exist. All I asked you to do was tell me which procedures were not enforced "on purpose."

Is it safe to assume since you can't or refuse to provide any response that this is just a another straw man?

[Abe Linkman]

43. Yes. You are making a straw man argument.

Is it safe to assume that the reason why you are doing that is to deflect attention away from the embarassingly remarkable similarities between the small jet in the Sandia experiment and the small jet that hit the Pentagon?

Thanks again for posting that link. I hope you'll repost it so that new
visitors to this site can have a look at it to get a feel for what kind of plane would fit into the video images from the Pentagon parking lot camera. Letting people see the size of the plane in the Sandia experiment will help them to realize the absurdity of claiming a 757 is what hit the Pentagon.

The evidence of the Bush 9/11 Conspiracy lies keeps piling up.

[LARED]

44. Is this newest distraction to avoid answering the question? (nt)

[AZCat]

45. Yes - that's Truth Suppression Technique #17

Or at least I think it is - I tend to get them mixed up.

[LARED]

46. Good call; See #17

http://www.hasslberger.com/about/about/awa/awa_6.htm

[Nothing Without Hope]

4. I am SO GLAD to see 9/11 finally have its own forum.

Could you please consider editing your initial post to indicate that it's the 9/11 forum? I didn't know the subject until I opened your post on the main board.

Now it will be easier for people to follow what is going on with 9/11 investigations without digging into an obscure grab-bag forum. This is great, especially for the people who are not participating directly in 9/11 investigations but want to keep track of developments.

Thank you, admin, for setting up this new forum!

[Sweet Pea]

6. 9/11 added to subject title n/t

[John Doe II]

5. A big thanks to the administrator

and all those who wished 911 to have it's own forum and not to be buried in the leftover/archive anymore.
Cheers!:toast:

[meppie-meppie not]

19. cheers JD! :-) n/t

[Stand and Fight]

8. Yay!!!

This is great news! I am glad to see that such an important forum is no longer buried out in DU's back yard!

:toast:

[meppie-meppie not]

20. hear, hear!

:toast:

[k-robjoe]

9. Free DVDs to all...

Title seemed so appropriate. With the "euphoria" here.

( Looks like it´s focusing on the "fringe" issues. But it´s maybe a bit of all...)

http://reopen911.org/free_dvd.htm

[meppie-meppie not]

21. thnx for the link k-robjoe! :-)

:toast:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

10. This is Fantastic and gives discussions on 9/11 Validity,

instead of being placed in the Archives and Leftovers, hidden away. :)

[The Magistrate]

13. Unfortunately, Ma'am

The validity of any discussion is determined by its contents, not by its placement in forum listings. Any discussion dominated by nonesense and pseudo-science will continue to have neither validity or respect, no matter where it is located.

"Nature is a hanging judge."

[tngledwebb]

32. Hmm. Have to use the google 'translate this page' feature on that.

Curious about what part of the events on 9/11 trouble your sleep? If any...

I know it might seem a lot to ask, but why not live dangerously for a second...

[The Magistrate]

40. What On Earth, Mr. Web, Do You Know Of Danger...?

"The bleatin' o' the kid excites the Tiger."

[tngledwebb]

47. Haven't answered the question, again.

And your patented nonsensical replies continue to red flag the purpose of your visit from miles away.

[Name removed]

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[tngledwebb]

49. Tthe simple fact of Rendonites multiplying rapidly of late,

esp. upstairs re stolen election, and on the pages of the NYT and other MSM shows the power of this little offshoot of the www and the fear it has instilled in hearts of the evildoers.

(Btw, do you know how pro's determine a posters gender? Is it by searching special Nexus Lexus sites not available to the general public? Or is their radar finally pointing inside our borders?)

[Name removed]

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[mikelewis]

23. Hear Here! Thanks Admins!

[robertpaulsen]

42. Nice cosmetic change.

"Leftover forums" sounds too much like "back of the bus" for this subject.

Thanks Admins!

[bobbieinok]

51. 3 cheers......hope for discussions and not just ego-trips