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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:26 PM
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9-11 cover up displayed on Chris Matthew' show...
Lee Hamilton (D-InBushPocket),Thomas Kean (R-MyFatherSupported Hitler) and Roger Cressey (former Bueracratic CIA Cover Up expert, now MSNBC "analyst") bent over backwards to discredit the recent FAA release about Suicide hijack warnings...

"Nobody put it all together"

"Agencies didn't share info"

"This release wasn't delayed because of the election"

Bullshit Etcetera...

Matthews even showed the clip of Rice stating that "nobody could have imagined" that the terrorists would use planes to attack buildings inside the US...

Yet NOT ONE of these cover up artists addressed the LIES that Condi spewed then and continues to spew now ....

If you ever doubted that 9-11 was a LIHOP or MIHOP aperation, this one issue should settle your qualms...

Especially the well co-ordinated way these creeps were ready to sweep this report under the carpet...

The Fascists NEEDED 9-11 and have used it ever since to promote a domestic police state agenda and an endless war of terror ala Orwell's "1984"...

When will YOU wake up?


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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:27 PM
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1. if they're making Condi a target again to detract from the Gannon story
they must really be getting nervous.

Wow.

I bet she's pissed.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:28 PM
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2. What was most irritating was the chuckling accompanying their responses
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:29 PM
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3. So they did let it happen to angry the American Public, sick, now
they will destory Rice Bowl in the process, that is how they work alright.

:kick:
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:30 PM
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4. I'm working through the 9/11 commission report book right now
did they say they got the info on those warnings or were they redacted? this book is some heavy and dry reading so it's taking me forever to get through it.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:31 PM
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5. You won't find it there...
This is a supplemental report by the FAA that was deliberately held back by the Administration before the election.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:32 PM
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6. ok, thats what i thought. one more question if i may
Did the 9/11 commission have that info or is this news to them?
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:34 PM
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8. They had it...
But were forced into silence by an "oath"...

An "oath"?

To whom?

To Bush?

What about their "oaths" to serve the American people?

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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:35 PM
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11. Now that really pisses me/upsets me/depresses me
all at the same time.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:37 PM
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13. Now you know to whom...
...these in-bred political elites really owe their allegiance...

The New World Order is here and the Nazis have finally won World War II...
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:41 PM
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19. it's just unreal, it's like the worst nightmare times a million
they fucking held back because of the election, did they hold back the bin Laden tape right before the election??? Nooooo, of course not!!!! WTF????!!!!! I feel like i'm losing my mind.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:51 PM
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24. Relax...
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:43 PM
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21. right, so we had kindofnasty
doing this song and dance in the public hearings where she got asked about the infamous PDB titled "Osama bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the US" and the lying bitch claiming that well (after a bit of yammering of course 'cause she uses verbal diarrhea as a dodge) yes but they had no specific knowledge that the attack would be using flying fundamentalist fuel bombs when in SECRET the committee had discovered that in fact there was a lot of specific knowledge of the FFFBs. In other words Ms. Nasty was lying her ass of knowing full well that the public information would not contradict her bullshit testimony.

NO WONDER SHE WOULDN'T TESTIFY UNDER OATH. DUH. SHE WAS LYING.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:33 PM
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7. clue me:
LIHOP: _____

MIHOP: _____

Thanks.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:34 PM
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9. Let/made it happen on purpose
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:36 PM
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12. ty nt
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:38 PM
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16. I don't know what them there anachronyms mean... but.. I was
thinking that your name coulda woulda shoulda been Warren Terrah. :)
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:44 PM
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22. i cant helps what mah daddy named me n/t
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:46 PM
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23. Now don't tell me that your last name is Stupidity. EOM.
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:09 PM
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28. ectually warren terra is my brother :-) (nt)
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:35 PM
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10. And Tweety Has Never Discussed Enron, or, Now, GUCKERT
Admittedly, I have not watched Tweety much in the past year, and none at all since the election, but when the Enron story was breaking in November, 2001, and broke hard in January, 2002, Tweety ZIPPED his lips, and went into Spring of that year doing Mid-East-CRISIS stories day after day. Same now. It would seem that the interplay between the press and the WH would be of special interest to him, making the GUCKERT story pertinent, yet, nothing.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:37 PM
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14. When will YOU wake up?
As you can tell, I was just introduced to this album... I understand that as others before, the lead singer OD'd... pity.

Mad Season Lyrics - Wake Up

Wake up young man, it's time to wake up

Your love affair has got to go

For 10 long years, for 10 long years

The leaves to rake up

Slow suicide's no way to go, oh

Blue, clouded grey

You're not a crack up

Dizzy and weakened by the haze

Moving onward

So an infection not a phase

Yeah, oh



The cracks and lines from where you gave up

They make an easy man to read, oh

For all the times you let them bleed you

For little peace from God you plead, and beg

For little peace from God you plead

Ahhaahh, Yeah, Ahhaahh, Yeah, Ahhaahh, Yeah



Wake up young man, wake up, wake up

Wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up

Oh, yeah



Wake up young man, it's time to wake up

Your love affair has got to go, yeah

For 10 long years, for 10 long years,

The leaves to rake up

Slow suicide's no way to go, oh

Slow suicide's no way to go

Wake up, wake up, wake up

Wake up, wake up, wake up
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:37 PM
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15. Hamilton, Kean, all the commissioners are complicit
Thanks to them, we had an "accountability moment" without having all the facts. Only wish the public had had all the facts before the election ...
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CornField Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:39 PM
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17. More of the Barney the Dinosaur defense
Barney the Dinosaur encourages children to just use their imagination. He even has a song all about it. If we are to believe various officials and talking heads, 9/11 was nothing more than a lack of imagination. Barney would be appalled.
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:40 PM
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18. They're going to have to deal with a second dose of reality...
....now that the confidential 25 Jan 2001 Clarke memo was released earlier today.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=323345&mesg_id=323345



BE THE BU$H OPPOSITION; 24/7
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:42 PM
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20. Let it happen on purpose....
and this to me is the crux of all things Bush. I was totally floored when I read about almost all I think except 2 of the 9/11commision members had ties to the various military/data cos, that conflicted their interests. The article by Harry Brunser titled "the Coming Israeli Attack on Iran, and its Consequences: Pearl Harbor Redux, is a convincing theory of how Americans will rally around the flag with a furvor as a result of Iran attacking us in response.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:54 PM
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 07:57 PM
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26. It's bigger than that...
...Thomas Keans and Lee Hamilton talk about the newly released warnings by intelligence sources to the FAA early in 2001. Four things that Keans and Hamilton said during the interview which has compromised their credibility:

A. When asked by Mathews why the report which the 9-11 commission had on this information only now has come out the commission heads answers were that the commission had released the report, but due to bureaucratic delays and just the way officials business works, the information was not declassified for the public until this week, nearly eight months after the commission gave its full report to the public and well after the presidential election. -- Commissioners Kean and Hamilton credibility compromised by blaming bureaucratic delays on something that the public needed to know about the events leading up to the 9-11 attacks.

B. Then Mathews asked why if the FAA had this information back in early 2001, well before the events and the intelligence clearly was suggesting that a suicidal terrorist high jacking of planes with spectacular explosions was eminent, why the FAA didn't prepare better, placed more sky marshals on planes tightened up security at domestic airports. -- Commissioners Kean and Hamilton credibility compromised by suggesting that no body was prepared because there was no past experience of such a thing happening here and the powers felt it was most likely to happen overseas anyway and not in the U.S.

C. Mathews then showed the video of the now famous press conference statement by Condi Rice where she stated that nobody could have foreseen these events and Chris makes his soft-hardball pitch that surely those who were at the head of the agencies should have been able to piece the intelligence together enough back before 9-11 attacks that some kind of alarm should have gone out. Commissioners Kean and Hamilton credibility compromised by claiming that there really was no one with the specific job to do such a thing at that time including Condi Rice whose job was National Security Advisor. Uhmmm.

D. Mathews then asked what the country has learned about terrorists threats are we in fact protected now and if so by whom and how. Thomas Keans made the statement that the best protection is by the passengers themselves and that if they suspect or see a threat to take matters into their own hands to stop it. Hamilton did not offer an alternative to that and even laughed along with Keans. -- Commissioners Kean and Hamilton credibility compromised by suggesting such an outrageous vigilante type solution as to have passengers take matters into their own hands to ensure their own safety.

I am now left with the impression that a bipartisan coverup has taken place on a massive scale and our government along with leaders in both parties are hiding critical facts about 9-11 from the American people and we will never be allowed to know what really happened. What do DUers think?
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:08 PM
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27. i think you've got it about right
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:11 PM
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29. Bi-partisan?
Doubt level zero.
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:22 PM
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30. I think they were waiting for something like 911 with open arms, see
here...

http://gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=103&row=1
Officials told to 'back off' on Saudis before September 11
by Greg Palast and David Pallister

FBI and military intelligence officials in Washington say they were prevented for political reasons from carrying out full investigations into members of the Bin Laden family in the US before the terrorist attacks of September 11.

US intelligence agencies have come under criticism for their wholesale failure to predict the catastrophe at the World Trade Centre. But some are complaining that their hands were tied.

FBI documents shown on BBC Newsnight last night and obtained by the Guardian show that they had earlier sought to investigate two of Osama bin Laden's relatives in Washington and a Muslim organisation, the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), with which they were linked.

The FBI file, marked Secret and coded 199, which means a case involving national security, records that Abdullah bin Laden, who lived in Washington, had originally had a file opened on him "because of his relationship with the World Assembly of Muslim Youth - a suspected terrorist organisation".

WAMY members deny they have been involved with terrorist activities, and WAMY has not been placed on the latest list of terrorist organisations whose assets are being frozen.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:25 PM
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31. Waiting for it? How about co-ordinating it?
You might be closer to the truth then.

"War Games" by the US military on 9/11

Intentional paralysis of air defenses that ensured the success of the attacks?

http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:29 PM
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33. Yes, paralyzing indeed. Remember, there supposedly was a spy(s) in the
Pentagon from an allied ME nation... how convenient for the 15 SAUDI HIJACKERS to pick the day on which "extra" radar blips were put on the screens.... how amazingly lucky for them. How in the hell did they know that this was to day to go for the gold? Or, did someone know they were coming, and arrange the war games to coincide with this nightmare? It is just too freaking unreal to even dwell on.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:30 PM
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34. "It is just too freaking unreal to even dwell on."
Indeed, that's what these Neo-Nazi slime depend on...
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 08:26 PM
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32. Bush chose the 9/11 commission chairs.
Remember when he tried to stuff Kissinger down our throats? What a joke. That couldn't fly, but he came up with two that worked just as well.

Keans represented Delta Oil in his lobbying business....that has ties to bin Mahfouz, a major AQ financieer and bin Laden family business partner.

Hamilton honed his whitewashing skills in the BCCI Congressional investigations when he helped to shut down that any serious inquiry into ties between the international banking system and terrorists using this bank to finance their activities and corrupt politicians.

This administration tried its damndest to thrwart an investigation into 9/11. It delayed even considering an independent commission until the public demanded it. Then they tried to starve it of any investigatory funds ($3MM was what they budgeted). But Bush's real coup was getting to dictate who would chair the commission.

No question in my mind that Bush has something to hide. Criminal incompetence or active participation, it don't matter....he is guilty and should be impeached and tried for his actions/inactions leading up to, during, and after 9/11. 3000 people died that day and they deserve justice.

And, if he and the players in this administration are guilty, then we should be considering all of their actions since 9/11 in the prism of this crime.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 09:13 PM
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-10-05 11:04 PM
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36. Amazing how this thread died after it was moved from GD...
Where it could have done far more good....
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