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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:14 PM
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'Did US block captures "[of Al-Qaeda} in Afghanistan after 9/11?
Where is Waldo? the master terrist and international fugitive..

bush wants him "dead or alive"..

All CIA Duh!

Who owns black swift helicopters??


From "New Pearl Harbor" by David Ray Griffin P.105-107,
"A Special Forces

{I do apologize cuz I borrowed the book and have not read it and don't know who Thompson is.}
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 02:29 PM
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1. my quote from the book was edited..
thanx for nothing..

my point was that Special forces soldiers saw mysterious black helicpoters land near Tora Bora and load passengers and fly toward Pakistan..locals say these were Al Qaeda leaders being evacuated..possibly including..bin Laden
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 09:54 PM
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2. I heard this story
Edited on Tue May-10-05 09:54 PM by DoYouEverWonder
though indirectly from one of the Special Forces that was at Tora Bora. His group had been in the area on a mission to track down bin Laden. When they finally had him cornered and were ready to go in for the kill, he said the military brass showed up and took over the mission. Then the helicopters arrived and bin Laden was flown out. Needless to say the Special Ops guys were not please. This was the same group that had a rash of 'suicides' when they came back to the states. Just another coincidence I suppose.

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:07 PM
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3. THANX for info and response..
I posted the quote from griffins book.BUT Moderator removed it..
The quote corroborates your info..
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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 10:55 AM
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6. I'm curious about this
I'm doing a fictional piece on that part of the war
so I'm thinking alot about the guys in Afghanistan--what they thought, if they ever pieced together a larger picture of the war--something beyond the ra-ra patriotism we were all exposed to here. And the suicides back in the states. I'll reveal my ignorance and ask, what's up with that?

If you have a moment to answer these--or PM me if you like or. . .
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 07:49 PM
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8. In answer to your first question
Edited on Wed May-11-05 07:59 PM by DoYouEverWonder
from what I heard the special ops guy at Tora Bora worked very hard and risked his life to find bin Ladin. From what I heard he was very po'd about the whole thing.

In regards to the suicides here's a link for a recent one from this base that has a summary of the events back in 2002. From what I've read about these 'suicides', they were all from the same Special Forces unit stationed at Fort Bragg. All of them were in Afghanistan and some of them may have been involved in the aborted operation to capture bin Laden. Funny, if the Tora Bora story is true then this would be a group that Rummie & Co would be very interested in silencing but that must just be a coincidence.



At Fort Bragg, another violent suicide

Washington, DC, Feb. 11 (UPI) -- Another Special Forces soldier who served in Afghanistan shot himself to death at Fort Bragg last week after wounding his ex-wife and her boyfriend, according to police and military officials. The soldier was in a unit prescribed a controversial malaria drug that has been linked to several other violent incidents ending in soldier suicides.

<snip>

In the summer of 2002 three Special Forces soldiers who had served in Afghanistan and took Lariam killed their wives, and subsequently themselves, after returning to Fort Bragg. The Army investigated, ruling out the drug as a common factor in those deaths and instead blaming marital problems. An investigation by United Press International found that all three had exhibited behavior consistent with acknowledged side effects of the drug and that there was no apparent history of violence in the marriages.

UPI uncovered three more suicides by Special Forces soldiers who took the drug.

http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20050209-012851-3552r.htm




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Last Lemming Donating Member (806 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 09:54 AM
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11. They're blaming Larium???
jeesh. People have been taking that drug for years without noticibly diminishing the population of those around them..

Three murder suicides on the same base, same unit, huh?
One's a tragedy
Two's hard luck
Three is just plain weird.
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 06:41 AM
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9. A similar story reached the British press
although not directly the mainstream, no tv reports.

But this was in the very early days of afghanistan, and alledgedly the British SAS were dropped directly into Tora Bora. After a while they believed they had Bin Laden cornered or some other high ranking Al Qaeda due to heavy resistance. They Contacted the Americans cos they were in overall charge of operations in Afghanistan, gave them their position, asking for air support also, and were radioed back within the hour saying air support wasn't coming and they should pull back. The order was repeated until they did. And, again alledgedly, the source for this story said, a day into their trek away from the caves they thought they had him cornered in, they meant some serious black ops type civvies, being escorted the other way towards the cave.

They said they wouldn't even talk to them, just walked past.

The slant this got in mainstream papers was that the American forces just wanted to take the glory of capturing Osama. But that doesn't add up, cos they would have just been ordered to stand firm and wait for back up, not pull back.

Again all rumour put somethings not right.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 08:50 AM
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10. article?
Hi,
can you be more specific about this British news? For instance, the newspaper or show, time it came out, anything like that to go on? Then I could hopefully find it and add it to the timeline.
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-12-05 10:11 AM
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12. Look in
"The Sun" newspaper for definite. Its a right wing Tabloid comic, but follows a kind of patriotic "our boys are best line" It was in there from the angle of, we had him but Americans wanted the glory, and let him get away type nonsense.

For the other angle i can't be more specific than saying my reading covers "The Independent", The Guardian", "New Statesman", "New Internationalist" mainly, however i wouldn't rule out more right wing mainstream broadsheets such as the "Sunday Times". In fact thinking about it thats exactly the type of thing they would cover in their supplements. Even though its a Murdoch paper, they are very military inclined, and slightly less subservient than his other media outlets. Thats a possibility.

For the time. It was definetley in retrospect of the initial Afghan war, and definetely before the Iraqi conflict.

Sorry i can't be more specific but it was some time ago. I'd actually hadn't thought about it till i read this thread.

Good luck with your search. If i think of anything more definete i'll post it to you.
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 10:17 PM
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4. Paul Thompson
Complete 911 Timeline
Open-Content project managed by Paul Thompson:
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-10-05 11:21 PM
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5. That would be me...
Sounds like you're talking about these kinds of entries:

November 28, 2001: Bin Laden Reportedly Escapes Tora Bora by Helicopter
A U.S. Special Forces soldier stationed in Fayetteville, North Carolina, later (anonymously) claims that the U.S. has bin Laden pinned in a certain Tora Bora cave on this day, but fails to act. Special Forces soldiers allegedly sit by waiting for orders and watch two helicopters fly into the area where bin Laden is believed to be, load up passengers, and fly toward Pakistan. No other soldiers have come forward to corroborate the story, but bin Laden is widely believed to have been in the Tora Bora area at the time. (FAYETTEVILLE OBSERVER, 8/2/02) However, other reports indicate that bin Laden may have left the Tora Bora region by this time. Newsweek separately reports that many locals “claim that mysterious black helicopters swept in, flying low over the mountains at night, and scooped up al-Qaeda’s top leaders.” (NEWSWEEK, 8/11/02 (B)) Perhaps coincidentally, on the same day this story is reported, months after the fact, the media also will report a recent spate of strange deaths at the same military base in Fayetteville. Five soldiers and their wives died since June 2002 in apparent murder-suicides. At least three were Special Forces soldiers recently returned from Afghanistan. (INDEPENDENT, 8/2/02)

Early December 2001: Battle for Tora Bora Is Called “Charade”
The Daily Telegraph later reports on the battle for Tora Bora around this time: “In retrospect, and with the benefit of dozens of accounts from the participants, the battle for Tora Bora looks more like a grand charade.” Eyewitnesses express shock that the U.S. pinned in Taliban and al-Qaeda forces, thought to contain many high leaders, on three sides only, leaving the route to Pakistan open. An intelligence chief in Afghanistan’s new government says, “The border with Pakistan was the key, but no one paid any attention to it. In addition, there were plenty of landing areas for helicopters had the Americans acted decisively. Al-Qaeda escaped right out from under their feet.” (DAILY TELEGRAPH, 2/23/02) It is believed that up to 2,000 were in the area when the battle began. The vast majority successfully flee, and only 21 al-Qaeda fighters are finally captured. (CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR, 3/4/02 (B)) The U.S. relies on local forces “whose loyalty and enthusiasm were suspect from the start” to do most of the fighting. (KNIGHT RIDDER, 10/20/02) Some of the local commanders drafted to help the U.S. had ties to bin Laden going back to the 1980s. (NEW YORK TIMES, 9/30/02 (B)) These forces actually help al-Qaeda escape. An Afghan intelligence officer says he is astounded that Pentagon planners did not consider the most obvious exit routes and put down light U.S. infantry to block them. It is later widely believed that bin Laden escapes along one of these routes on November 30 or December 1, walking out with about four loyal followers. (CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR, 3/4/02; CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR, 3/4/02 (B)) Al-Qaeda’s number two leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, also escapes the area. (KNIGHT RIDDER, 10/20/02)

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It's interesting that someone here knows someone would says much the same thing.
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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-11-05 11:22 AM
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7. THANX so much PAUL T. for your clarification and..
your heroic efforts to expose these international criminals who have had a coup d'etat against the US Citizens..it may "have been a long time comin.but its gonna be a long time gone.."

These nazis posing as legit pols have the winning cards at this time.. but the future remains uncertain..

Truth seekers are waking up to the grim reality that the US is an occupied nation.

the unreal ID card and the natl ID will gut any remaining freedoms..these type of conversations..that is to challenege the govt authorities wil soon be illegal.

Still time to resist and expose..
BUT it will require both corporat parties and every DC pol to leave office.

You Mr. Paul Thompson are a True Patriot!

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