Intriguing New Entry

[paulthompson]

Sometimes the stuff I find amazes even me. ;) For instance, this entry which I just wrote up today and haven't put on line yet:

Early September 2001
Phone Call Warning of Big Event in the US in Coming Days Is Just One of Many Such Warnings Recorded by CIA
A few days before 9/11, an Islamic radical named Mamdouh Habib is in Pakistan and calls his wife in Australia. Her phone is being monitored by Australian intelligence. In the conversation he says that something big is going to happen in the US in the next few days. He is later arrested after 9/11 and is held by the US in the Guantanamo prison before finally being released in 2005. He is released because his captors eventually decide that he didn't have any special foreknowledge or involvement in the 9/11 plot. He had been in Afghanistan training camps and had picked up the information there. The New York Times paraphrases an Australian official, "Just about everyone in Kandahar (Afghanistan) and the Qaeda camps knew that something big was coming, he said. 'There was a buzz.'" (York Times, 1/29/05) Furthermore, according to The Australian, this call "mirrored several other conversations between accused terrorists that were tapped around the same time by the Pakistani Internal Security Department on behalf of the CIA." This was part of what the CIA called a sharp increase in "chatter" intercepted from operatives in terror training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan in the days just before the attacks, alluding to an imminent big event. (Australian, 2/2/05)

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How could US intelligence possibly not know there was going to be an attack in the US within a matter of days after warnings like that? It seems knowledge of the attack was practically as common as dirt in parts of Afghanistan. US intelligence was listening very closely at the time. I've got a comment elsewhere from a National Security Council staffer pointing out that every phone line in Afghanistan was being tapped, every hotel in Pakistan was being bugged. In examples of just a few other entries I already have up:
- They overheard bin Laden tell his mother in law on the phone on September 9 that something big would be happening in two days.
- They knew from satellite surveillance that the Afghan training camps were moving in the days before the attacks.
- They overheard a message telling al-Qaeda operatives to return to Afghanistan by Sept. 10.
- They overheard a phone call from bin Laden shortly before September 11 contacting an associate in Pakistan, referring to an incident that would take place in the US on, or around 9/11, and then discussing possible repercussions.

The list just goes on and on. Yet nothing was done. Absolutely no warnings were given to airports, airlines, NORAD, the military, or any other first response defenders at all. Security was not stepped up at any likely targets. Top leaders were not warned. The only clear warning that we're absolutely sure of was given to Salman Rushdie, of all people, who wasn't allowed to fly in the US that week because the FAA told his publisher they had "intelligence of something about to happen." The FAA confirmed to the press that Rushdie was in fact warned.

I'd really like to see the usual incompetence theory defenders here defend all this as just more incompetence.

[Rob Conn]

1. "You don't read!!!"

Mike Ruppert implies that despite all of our rationality and journalistic intent, we will only impact those who would read what we have written. The challenge then is to bring such a glaring contradiction, as is held in the facts to which you refer, to those who would not as likely seek out or happen upon these facts. And also to dislodge people's ego from their cultural assumptions. How do we spread the word? I'm quite able to appreciate both conservative and liberal values in the balance between them. Bush represents neither. And that works to our advantage. It looks to be money against values. The traditional distinctions break down. If rational and moral liberals and conservatives governed this country through compromise, we may be assured a self sustaining lifestyle. However, this new game seems to be unilateral and terminal. They might not be suicidal. Let's certainly hope so. Either way, it is the truth that will prevent the chaos of their insanity. Facts such as these are becoming the curriculum for 9/11 educators such as myself. And the better stated, the more convincing. Keep it coming. - R.C.

[stickdog]

2. Ashcroft, top Pentagon officials & SF Mayor Willie Brown were all warned.

Ashcroft:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

Pentagon officials (link originally from Newsweek via MSGOP):

http://www.unknownnews.net/010924911.html

SF Mayor Willie Brown:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

[dbeach]

3. NY Post : "BUSH KNEW."

Hilly Clinton held up the paper in the US Senate which told the Truth or at least part of the truth..


"They all condemened Cynthia McKinney for suggesting the truth, that the entire sham "war" is likely more motivated by profits for the Carlyle Group and others, as well as condemning the NY Post for running a headline of "BUSH KNEW." Of course, the Post ran innumerable headlines that were far more outrageous and slanted during Clinton's years, but, and I know this from experience, NOT ONCE did a talking head of either persuasion complain about a single one. If a headline were mentioned, it was brought up to REINFORCE the message and to suggest it was true, not to condemn it for being over the top.)"

http://www.americanpolitics.com/20020519punditpap.html


My money is still riding on Evil Dickie ,Poppy O Bush AND THEIR CORPORAT TRAVELING GANG of liars ,traitors and assassins who executed this near perfect crime known as 9/11 and conveniently blamed the Arabs to inflame hatreds and cover their next crime...

create the problem
offer the solution
profit from each

repeat mantra

[spooked911]

4. Big kick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great post. I am going put this in the General Discussion section.

Look of course the administration knew what was going to happen and did nothing to stop it because they fucking engineered the attacks. I simply see no other way to explain it. Incompetence just doesn't cut it.

[dbeach]

5. Incompetence is just the vaneer..

it excuses the bush criminals as bunch of kinda goofy patriots who twist the english language but are god fearing and freedom loving americans...nothing could be further from the truth

Thre is no excuses for 9/11 nor JFK not 11/00 and their SC junta..

this lil ole band of legal criminals is occupying the US of A and many amerikans are cheering em on...

Clinton knew..she said it when she held up the paper..Mckiney knew and they nailed her for it < larger question is if they knew ?? big if.. when did they know??}.Politics is a blood sport and they are fighting for their political lifes ..too bad that they don't fight more for what is right..REAL ID ,PAT ACT..Give me a break..I fought for freedom so bush and the pols can take it away...soviet style amerika is still fascism ...[br />
They ain't won yet..

they did 9/11 and it was discussed at Univ Chicago in classes of Leo Strauss..Wolfie.and many vilains were his neo-con worshippers.

THEY DISCUSSED HOW TO OVERTHROW THE GOVT BY A PERAL HARBOR LIKE ATTACK.

[Me.]

6. Don't Believe In Co-incidences

I find it hard to believe after what was written in PNAC about their needing a "Pearl Harbor" and then one just happens to come strolling by, "no warning", nothing to alert them. While I'm ambivalent about MIHOP, I think the case for LIHOP has more than been made. Not to mention the matter of the put options. The whole matter is so tragically outrageous, that they would stand by and allow such death and destruction to occur!

[ROH]

8. It's certainly a stunning "coincidence"

and there are many more "coincidences" to the whole subject.

Consider:
* The war games and "live-fly" exercises (including at least one "plane into building" exercise) taking place on September 11, and the biological terrorism exercise called Tripod scheduled for September 12 in New York City. Rudy Giuliani later testified, "hundreds of people here from FEMA, from the federal government, from the state, from the State Emergency Management Office" came to New York to take part. He noted that the equipment for the exercise was already there, so when his emergency bunker was destroyed in the attacks, he moved his response center to the planned site of the Tripod exercise.

* The events mentioned by 9/11 relative Mindy Kleinberg, such as the highjackers' visas. In her testimony to the Commission she said, "It has been said that the intelligence agencies have to be right 100% of the time and the terrorists only have to get lucky once. This explanation for the devastating attacks of September 11th, simple on its face, is wrong in its value. Because the 9/11 terrorists were not just lucky once: they were lucky over and over again." She pointed out the inside trading based on 9/11 foreknowledge, the failure of fighters to catch the hijacked planes in time, hijackers getting visas in violation of standard procedures, and other events, and asked how the hijackers could have been lucky so many times.

[ROH]

14. PNAC 101

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1826665&mesg_id=1826665&page=


October 1997
http://www.complete911timeline.org/context.jsp?item=a1097chessboard
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Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski publishes a book in which he portrays the Eurasian landmass as the key to world power, and Central Asia with its vast oil reserves as the key to domination of Eurasia. He states that for the US to maintain its global primacy, it must prevent any possible adversary from controlling that region. He notes, “The attitude of the American public toward the external projection of American power has been much more ambivalent. The public supported America's engagement in World War II largely because of the shock effect of the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.” He predicts that because of popular resistance to US military expansionism, his ambitious Central Asian strategy can not be implemented “except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat.”
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September 2000
From page 63 of: http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
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Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.
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September 11, 2001
http://www.complete911timeline.org/item.jsp?item=a1130diary
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Before going to sleep, President Bush writes in his diary, “The Pearl Harbor of the 21st century took place today. ... We think it's Osama bin Laden.” (Washington Post, 1/27/02)
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[spooked911]

7. I would imagine, however, that defenders of the official story would

say that the government didn't translate all these calls and messages in time. Although it seems many of these messages were placed well before 9/11 which would have given them enough time to do it. What is the point of tapping all these phone calls if you're not going to translate the material in a timely manner? Surely they must know in the case of terrorists that every message is potentially of life-or-death significance.

I know in one case, the NSA claimed that a message from 9/10 that said the attacks were coming the next day (the "The match begins tomorrow." message) wasn't traslated until 9/12, so they would seem to have had a 48 hour turn-around. Yes, one could say they translated this message specifically because of 9/11. On the other hand it is hard to believe that with all the chaos of 9/11 that they could sort though and translate what must have been thousands of messages in 24 hours. My guess is that the intelligence agenices routinely downplay how quickly they can translate messages, for a variety of reasons. Moreover, in the case of phone calls, they would almost certainly have someone who could translate Arabic listening in on at least some of the calls.

Finally, this story about Mamdouh Habib was picked up by Australian intelligence. It is hard to believe Australian intelligence was completely over-worked in terms of tracking Al Qaeda. In fact it is interesting that they were on Habib's trail in the first place.

[WoodrowFan]

9. and when were they translated??

whatever

[philb]

10. Lots of warnings, many very specific, going back a couple of years or more

http://www.flcv.com/warnings.html

[spooked911]

11. Hah, you are so predictable. Let me ask you-- what do you think is a

reasonable time in which to translate messages from known terrorists?

[Ezlivin]

12. If 911 was MIHOP

It may be perfectly logical to conclude that our intelligence agencies were "setting the scene" by orchestrating numerous "intelligence tips" to indicate that the dreaded al Queda (their creation) was "doing something."

Later, after the successful inside operation, all the "evidence" was there to point away from the true culprit and toward the insidious foreigners.

It sounds as if it could simply be another example of skillful misdirection. Subsequent events (the "luck" of finding the passport, the car found full of flight manuals and a Koran) just further supported their misdirection.

[Name removed]

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[medienanalyse]

15. Have you ever tried to blame "they" ? ("They overheard...")

It is ten times better to fake some phone calls, some advance knowledge linking everything to Al Qaeda and so to get blamed a little bit without consequences than to have no link at all to Afghanistan. not ecen an allged Afghan hijacker.

If you prepare a war you must not care for such details. Especially when nobody can be blamed personally.

[seatnineb]

16. That is spot on!

Well said!.