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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 11:58 PM
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Isn't it obvious these statements by officials are intentional "lies"
Does anyone not agree that the following statements by officials are obvious, intentional, “lies”?
It not, why not?
If so, why would they be telling what appear to be obvious lies that are easily seen to be so?

Condoleeza Rice, May 2002
“I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use a hijacked airplane as a weapon.

Ari Fleischer, White House Press Secretary
“Until the attack took place, I think it is fair to say that no one envisioned that as a possibility.”

Ari Fleischer,
“The President did not receive information about the use of airplanes as missiles by suicide bombers”

Defense spokesman in Newsday, Sept 23, 2001
“I don’t think any of us envisioned an internal air threat by big aircraft. I don’t know of anybody that ever thought that.”

George Bush:
“Based on everything I have seen, I do not think anyone could have prevented the horror of September the 11th.”

Does anyone not agree that each of these is documented to be a deliberate falsehood in Dr. D R Griffin’s books and other sources?

I can supply documentation to contrary of the statements if there is someone who is not already aware of it.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:08 AM
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1. Yeah, those are blatant LIES
But here in the Midwest, it takes quite a bit of energetic cultural struggle even to keep these issues open!
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:11 AM
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3. Whoops
I thought you were from NYC.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:20 AM
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4. I used to work for the Children's Aide Society of New York.
But now I live in the Midwest.

I'm always happy to go back and visit some of my old buddies on the East Coast if there is some chance for me to make a difference!

I'll will be back there this Summer, and I'll testify to everyone at DU about what I find, you can be sure of that!
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:10 AM
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2. it gets worse
The farther we get away from it,the more blatant they become.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 11:53 AM
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5. You're absolutely right-- they are blatant falsehoods and shame on our
country that these people haven't been sacked immediately for these statements.
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seatnineb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 12:17 PM
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6. Condoleeza is definetly not afraid to change her story.............
In the words of Condoleeza Rice.....

"When I saw the first plane hit the World Trade Center, I called President Bush and said, 'What a strange accident,' " she said. "But when I saw the second plane, I knew we were under attack."


http://www.ncaa.org/news/2002/20020121/active/3902n18.html


In the words of Condoleeza Rice......

"I was standing at my desk on Sept. 11 at 8:47, when my assistant came in to tell me that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. I thought he meant a twin-engine plane of some sort, and I thought it was some kind of accident. I went down to have my staff meeting, and a few minutes later the assistant gave me a note that said that a second plane had hit the World Trade Center, and I thought, "My God, this is a terrorist attack."


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/campaign/interviews/rice.html.






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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 04:51 PM
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7. Interesting, that is what Bush thought, too.
"I saw the 1st plane hit the WTC on TV and I thought, "that's one bad pilot"".

Even though we now know that the CIA had elevated the threat level on OBL/planes/WTC in the 8/6/01 PDB. SO how is it that his 1st thought was that was one terrilke pilot? And what TV did he watch that 1st plane hit on?***

*** He couldn't have confused it with the 2nd plane, because we know he was told of that crash by Card during his inaction at Brooker School.


He deserves to be tried as a traitor who allowed 3,000 Americans to die on 9/11/01.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 11:55 PM
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11. Documentation these are all deliberate lies;
http://www.flcv.com/warnings.html

and documented by many dozens of warnings, many of which were and are public.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-05 09:51 PM
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8.  History of 9/11- whats most relevant and whats missing?
A History of 9/11- whats most relevant and whats missing?

1. Operation Northwoods, a plot by U.S. intelligence/military for a terrorist plot carried out in the U.S. to be blamed on Cuba as pretext to overthrow Castro, was updated when George Bush as CIA Director to take out the WTC buildings using airplanes and blame the event on Arabs.
2. 1995- A plan by al-Qaeda operatives(including Khalid Shaikh Mahammed and Ramsi Yousef) involved in the 1993 attack on the WTC buildings was discovered on computer disks, involving using commercial airplanes in terrorist attacks and including plans to attack the WTC buildings and the Pentagon, was discovered by U.S. and Philippine intelligence agents resulting in conviction and jailing of Yousef and others. Its code name was Project Bojinka and the plan and 9/11 was carried out exactly 5 years after Yousef was convicted on Sept 11, 1996, at such time Yousef again discussed plans for carrying out Project Bojinka.
3. 1997- Book by former National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski (The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Geostrategic Imperatives) portrays control of the Eurasian land mass and its oil assets as the key to world power.
4. late 1990s- PNAC, a group of elites many of which are in the Bush administration, draft “Vision for 2020”- with a plan to gain control of Iraq and mid-Asia oil assets and militarize space to insure dominance of U.S. interests and investments.
5. late 1990s up to 9/11- members of PNAC discuss the need for a new Pearl Harbor event to convince the U.S. public to greatly increase military spending to carry out the expensive initiatives proposed in Vision for 2020.
6. late 1990s- A consortium of companies and interests(CentGas) dominated by U.S. and Saudi Arabia(Unocal, Delta Gas,etc.) make plans for a major Central Asia Gas Pipeline through Afghanistan and Pakistan to get market the vast mid-Asia oil reserves.
7. The dominant military leader and most popular leader in Afghanistan(Masood) opposes the plans of CentGas and sides with another alternative consortium led by South American interests.
8. U.S. which had backed Islamic militants active in Afghanistan and Chesnea fighting against Russia with huge amounts of money and supplies through the Pakistani ISI supports Taliban as an alternative to Masood in Afghanistan that might side with U.S. plans for the CAGP.
9. 2000- U.S. negotiators warn Taliban that if they don’t support the U.S. plans for the CAGP that a U.S. supported attack on Afghanistan is likely by Sept 2001.
10. Taliban offer to give up bin Laden group for extradition in return for more economic benefits to Taliban from the CAGP.
11. A plan that appears to have been devised jointly by al-Qaeda and CIA and Pakistani ISI is carried out assassinating Masood on 9/9/2001.
12. year leading up to 9/11- The U.S. administration and intelligence services are deluged with specific warnings of imminent attacks using airplanes on significant U.S. targets from captured al-Qaeda and Taliban operatives, foreign intelligence agencies, and FBI agents. (www.flcv.com/warnings.html)
13. week prior to 9/11- the leader of the Pakistani ISI(Gen. Ahmad) who was the paymaster of some of the money that supported al-Qaeda operatives such as Mohamed Atta was in the U.S.. His stay included meetings with U.S. intelligence and political officials.
14. 9/11 - Military/Intelligence war games initiated including plans for attacking WTC and Pentagon buildings using commercial airliners. It appears that some commercial airliners may have been part of the games, some have suggested that commercial airline flights were part of the games, and some of the 9/11 flights may have been a part of the games.
15. 7:59 to 10:06 am, 9/11 attacks on WTC buildings, Pentagon, and Fl 93 crashes in Pennsylvania. Inexplicably, though the FAA and officials are aware of “hijackings” and course changes, and all commercial flights are ordered down at 9:20, the public is told none of the planes were intercepted by the U.S. military.
16. soon after 9/11, Administration announces that the attack was carried out by 19 al-Qaeda operatives who hijacked and flew the planes. Evidence of who they were appeared through miraculous circumstances, though later it appears that several of those who were named as being hijackers are still alive and claim that their names should be taken off the list of hijackers. Some suggest there is much evidence that the other “hijackers” who died that day including Atta appeared to have U.S. intelligence or military support during their stay in the U.S. regarding passports and flight training.
17. Some suggest that the “hijackers” appear to have had help and may have thought they were involved in an operation different than what actually occurred- perhaps even thought they were part of the war games. Also that some of the supposed pilots did not have sufficient training and skills to carry out the events of that day as they occurred.
18. 2004- Testimony of officials and military leaders involved in the 9/11 events and other evidence in the 9/11 Commission Hearings strongly supports complicity by Pentagon and/or military officials; but the 9/11 Commission Report publishes a new timeline and explanation of events that attempts to absolve official complicity- but ignores and conflicts with the majority of credible testimony and evidence.

More details, documentation, references:
http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html
http://www.flcv.com/anomalie.html
Dr. D.R. Griffin, The New Pearl Harbor: Disturbing Questions about the Bush Admin and 9/11, 2004
Dr. D.R. Griffin, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions,
Etc.


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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:27 AM
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9. Sometimes they slip!
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"Where were our aircraft, when a missile is heading toward the Pentagon" - Jamie S. Gorelick <9/11 Commission>
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Mayor Giuliani comment broadcast on 9/11:“I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the police commissioner, the fire commissioner, the head of emergency management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.”
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Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines flight filled with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. - Donald Rumsfeld speaking at the Pentagon (His first slip of the tongue)
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:47 AM
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10. Yeah, Rumsfeld's Freudian slips can be pretty amazing!
Thank God he isn't as smooth an operator as Dick Cheney!

I would love to see what would happen if Rumsfeld were cross-examined by a really good prosecuting attorney.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 01:36 AM
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12. And Rummie made that Christmas speech

Secretary Rumsfeld says Sept. 11 flight over Pennsylvania was ’shot down’



Rumsfeld says Flight 93 was ’shot down’
By John Byrne | RAW STORY Editor

In either a gargantuan slip of the tongue or a momentous gaffe departing from the Bush Administration-approved timeline, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld told troops in Iraq that the Sept. 11 flight over Pennsylvania was “shot down,” RAW STORY has discovered.

The Pentagon has since said that Rumsfeld “misspoke.”

The quote was found in CNN’s transcript of a video of the Secretary’s visit to Camp Victory in Baghdad. The audio is available from National Public Radio (skip to 3:30) here.

Rumsfeld appears to suggest that terrorists shot down Flight 93, the flight immortalized with the possibly inaccurate “let’s roll” tale in which passengers struggled to retake the plane, driving it into the ground.

Others, however, who have long taken issue with the events as reported, believe the United States shot down the airliner. No doubt Rumsfeld’s remarks will fuel a new controversy among those who find serious flaws in the historical timeline.

From CNN’s transcript:

DONALD RUMSFELD, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE: And to change that way of living, would strike at the very essence of our country.

And I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples’ heads on television to intimidate, to frighten – indeed the word “terrorized” is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be.

http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=517
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