WTC collapse probably controlled demolition

[OffWithTheirHeads]

From the Washington Times no less.
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm
Still think the Neo-Nazis didn't have a hand in the "Pearl Harbor type" event?

[SteppingRazor]

1. Yes, I still think that.

First, the Moonie-owned Times (and the Moonie owned UPI, for that matter) are likely just trying to make the idea look ridiculous — hence their running this story in the "UPI Hears" section instead of on, say, the front page.

And even if they weren't, what the hell does a former Labor Department economist know about this, anyway? Is he a demolitions expert? Was he privy to the planning of the Bush administration's Inner Circle? The answers, of course, are no.

[I Have A Dream]

2. Amazing! Recommended.

(On edit: I think that SteppingRazor has a good point. We have to be really careful to not overstep, even if this is true, because this really is a battle for the hearts and minds of the American people at this point. If they see what's coming out from us as being too "crazy" (even if it's true), they'll be likely to discount everything that we say in reference to the rest. This would be exactly what the Bush administration would want. We need to take things one step at a time to avoid this.)

[gordianot]

3. Also discussed on another thread at DU.

See link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=43232&mesg_id=43232

[SaveElmer]

4. This was hashed out yesterday!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x43158

[donsu]

5. no "probably" to it -- it was a controlled demolition - (link)

http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm

[Christophera]

17. Excellent: Have Confidence Because The Explosions Are On Film And Video

Yes, they are everywhere and people basically know what they are looking at.

[revree]

6. Anybody who still thinks this wasn't an inside job...

is in serious denial. Yes, governments can and do attack their own people, and our government is no less capable. Operation Northwoods almost got off the ground back in Kennedy's day...and some of the same sinister people are still hanging around making sure this time the Prez doesn't shoot down the idea in flames...

[longship]

7. MIHOP is a lunatic strategy

It makes us look like fools and allows the opposition to correctly portray us as such. We all already know why the WTC collapsed. Because two very large airliners full of fuel slammed into them at over 400 knots. This controlled demolition crap has no basis in fact and is totally unnecessary.

We already know and can demonstrate that CuckooBananas ignored clear warnings of this attack. We can easily pin LIHOP on this administration and hold them accountable. MIHOP lets the Repugs say that we're all a bunch of tin-foil hats and makes LIHOP accountability slip between our fingers.

There was no controlled demolition.

Enough MIHOP threads! Think, people! Think!

[ConservativeDemocrat]

8. Even LIHOP is both lunatic and wrong

Ignoring clear warning's isn't necessarily LIHOP. It's just TDTEAP - Too Dumb To Eat A Pretzel.

No one will convince me that Bush is competent at anything other than appealing to the similarly overwhelmingly stupid segment of America.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[demodewd]

11. Bush?

What's Bush have to do with anything? Is it inconceivable to you that there could be others behind the scenes that pulled this off?

[philb]

12. Complicity of officials in 9/11 was documented by 9/11 Comm testimony

http://www.flcv.com/offcompl.html
http://www.flcv.com/warnings.html

[oblivious]

9. "Think", you plead? Seems like you're advising us not to think.

Just accept the government's lunatic conspiracy theory.

[ROH]

10. No

He wrote: We can easily pin LIHOP on this administration and hold them accountable.

LIHOP is treason anyway, and he is suggesting that it is better to focus on LIHOP rather than MIHOP.

A primary aim is to re-open the 9/11 investigations: http://reopen911.org/

[Christophera]

16. Check The Cognitive Distortions & Labeling In That Post

First a little "all or nothing" thinking.

It makes us look like fools and allows the opposition to correctly portray us as such. We all already know why the WTC collapsed. Because two very large airliners full of fuel slammed into them at over 400 knots.

Then some "over generalization".

This controlled demolition crap has no basis in fact and is totally unnecessary.

Then some exotic labeling.

We already know and can demonstrate that CuckooBananas ignored clear warnings of this attack. We can easily pin LIHOP on this administration and hold them accountable. MIHOP lets the Repugs say that we're all a bunch of tin-foil hats and makes LIHOP accountability slip between our fingers.
There was no controlled demolition.
Enough MIHOP threads! Think, people! Think!

Oh yea, LIHOP and a lot more.

You are afraid of what sheep think and we are going to listen to your logic? Sorry.

[I Have A Dream]

13. There was something on a mainstream local Pittsburgh radio station news...

about this today. I was absolutely flabbergasted!

[Christophera]

14. The Washington TImes Did A Good Thing

It shows you that even journalists have a conscious and will take risks.

Lets give them more reasons to run stories like that and create some focus on absolute issues which we actually have all the evidence for already.

[philb]

15. Firemen and survivors report basement explosion at WTC2 before

the tower "collapsed". Buildings can't stand without foundations.

When the fire rescue team reached an area directly in front of Tower Two, Antonio said he'd take over the equipment cart Will had pushed from Building 5. ... The team moved ahead. Scant minutes passed. Suddenly the hallway began to shudder as a terrible deafening roar swept over them. That's when Will saw the giant fireball explode in the street.
Seconds later the team's entire world began to crumble. It was precisely 9:59 a.m. The Trade Center's South Tower had just collapsed. http://www.bowhunter.com/feature_articles/BN_FromTheRubble/


United Airlines Flight 175 struck the 78th through 84th floors of the south tower at almost 9:03 a.m., 16 1/2 minutes after a jet hit the north tower.
Brian Clark, executive vice president of Euro Brokers on the 84th floor, was standing against the west wall when the higher wing of the Boeing 767 hit his floor. "It felt like the building was going to fall," he recalls. Five Euro Brokers colleagues walked with Clark into the hall, turned left and entered Stairway A. Clark and co-worker Ronald DiFrancesco continued down. Clark heard banging from inside Fuji Bank's wrecked office. "Help! I'm buried! Can anybody help?" yelled Stanley Praimnath, a loan officer. Clark pulled him from the rubble and they walked down together.
As he left the building, saw a fireball rolling toward him. He put his arms in front of his face. He woke up three days later at St. Vincent's hospital. His arms were burned. Some bones were broken. His lungs were singed. But he was alive.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/12/19/usat-escape.htm

Also note: there are videos showing the basement explosions, and janitors and building engineers who've also confirmed them.

[vincent_vega_lives]

18. Oh good one...

"the tower "collapsed". Buildings can't stand without foundations"

ok then explain how the collapse initiated at the point of impact, and NOTHING collapsed at foundation level until the top of both WTC towers had reached the ground? :eyes: