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Rob Conn Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 02:08 PM
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The NIST report will be as cooked as the Commission Report
The NIST has such a huge conflict of interest, that one wonders why anyone would expect an 'objective' treatment in regard to 9/11. The organization is industry for industry by industry. Its most likely run by Republicans, and I guarantee that the report won't in any way contradict anything in the Commission Report. I would be totally amazed. In fact it seems that most of the engineers supporting the offical story have industrial or political conflicts of interest. So do we simply believe what it says because it looks 'official', or do we acknowledge that these people most likely have a major bias, and very little reason to tell the truth.

Even the idea of a report about WTC7 is laughable. You already know it will suppport the unreasonable supposition that the diesel in the basement brought down the building, despite the fact that the ignition of that diesel would have caused far more smoke than is present in the video evidence, and likely would have blown out a couple of windows. Its almost like I can tell you ahead of time what these reports will say. I guarantee that they will not derivate from the official story in any way, but only serve to better develop that story.

Yes, people do know when to keep their mouth shut. Yes, people can and do know exactly which story they are supposed to tell, with no direct instruction. Yes, people know exactly who is their boss, and what that boss wants. Yes, the people in power, the bosses, do lie and cheat and break the rules. And yes, most of us simply demonstrate no global awareness or morality in our priorities and actions. There is genocidal bias at work every day, and the U.S., recently retaken by Europe, is the king of the hill, so our bias rules.

Don't be mainstream. Don't think that you can be an informed citizen simply by reading The New York Times or, or listening to Brian Williams or Robert Seigle, or by reviewing the NIST report. All of these sources have identifiable mainstream biases that indicate, with a high level of predictability, how they will respond to stimuli. The essence of conservative ideology. Of course they call these biases 'biblical virtues', or 'pragmatic necessities toward a virtuous end', or whatever's in vogue this year. But the basic framework remains the same. They tell us what to think about, and we are either passive, or we actively defend the system. And there we have your average mainstream progressive and conservative. Passive and defensive. None of these people are well informed citizens, and therefore, none of them are prepared to maintain our democratic society.

Today the mainstream is a cultural wasteland. Do you defend the downfall of our potential for democracy, or are you prepared to face the challenges of contradiction? Do you defend a corrupt system in self interest, or are you prepared to care about the next generation? The lines have been drawn. Those who will not be skeptical of the NIST and what it reports will find that their view is supported, and will have essentially learned nothing. Those who are skeptical will have new evidence with which to examine the tactics of industry in this battle for the soul of our nation.

Be normal, and be forgotten. A new time has come. A time in which philosophy comes into the public discourse. A time for fundamental priorities to be expressed and allowed to foster change. The mainstream fights that change. But the boss fights it with ever more deadly consequences. WHO DO YOU TRUST??? And why? Conflict of interest pervades our culture. You can't ignore it. Face the truth of all our lies. - R.C.
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graphixtech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 03:15 PM
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1. New NIST rebuttal flyer
New 911Truth NIST rebuttal flyer available here (double sided):
http://digitalstyledesigns.com/pages/downloads.htm





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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 03:33 PM
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2. That flyer is hilarious
Who
repealed the law of
angular momentum on
September 11, 2001?


LOL



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Rob Conn Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:17 PM
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6. Sense of humor
Glad to see someone's having fun. I suppose that comment is a bit over simple. I certainly don't think everyone in the 9/11 truth movement is that accurate or good at promotion. And there's some B.S. to be had. Your my favorite devil's advocate. Just hope you're not the devil. - R.C.
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Rob Conn Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:08 PM
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5. Thanks
Cool link. Glad to see people are ready to question the NIST. The report should be good for a laugh and a cry. - R.C.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 05:36 PM
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3. Right on!
Edited on Wed Jun-22-05 05:42 PM by Dancing_Dave
The NIST is ABSOLUTELY under the complete authority and command of the Bush Administration and will not say anything that might offend those who can fire them at a moments notice. And it has absolutely no authority or experience to conduct any kind of criminal investigation at all. Indeed, it is constituted so as to discourage any of it's findings from being used in any kind of legal action...which oddly enough may work in favor of 9/11 Truth if anyone such as the New York Attorney General is brave enough to make a real legal issue of this!

Of course, the New York AG will only do that if he's feeling so heroic that he's willing to run a very real of risk of being killed for doing the right thing on this issue. The Bush Administration and the CIA could certainly not take any such action on HIS part as a joke.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 06:12 PM
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4. One sure prediction: It will say there's NO EVIDENCE of demolition or
explosives, but it will fail to mention who looked for this evidence or what evidence they looked for using which investigative tools.

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Rob Conn Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 12:29 AM
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9. Agreed
We'll soon see.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:18 PM
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7. Most the engineers I know dont have any "shady" interests...
and fully accept the 'official' story.

Isnt a little presumptuous to start bashing something before its even released? :shrug: Makes said bashing seem without merit.
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 11:48 PM
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8. accepted validity
There mission is faulty because they start with the premise that the official story is valid. No other interpretations permitted.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:27 PM
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13. Can you absolutely rule out demolition of the towers? Have you studied
the films and looked at the structures of the buildings?

While I think people can reasonably disagree about WTC1 and WTC2 and whether explosives were used there, the collapse of WTC7 is a completely different matter and strongly suggests controlled demoliton. 47 story tall buildings like that simply do not collapse so neatly after suffering relatively minor damage.
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Rob Conn Donating Member (136 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 11:42 PM
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14. Good point, and I have a question.
You have responded to messages that have now been erased. Can you remember who wrote them, and what they were about? I don't recall anything too insulting. - R.C.
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graphixtech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 01:24 PM
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12. three questions from the flyer
“We’ve gotten used to politicians lying, but we’re not
used to scientists and engineers lying to us, especially
when the lies support a cover-up called ‘progressive
global collapse’.”

– Underwriter Laboratories whistleblower, Kevin Ryan


• Was John Skilling, the building’s structural engineer, wrong
when he said in 1993 that even if the towers were struck and
filled with jet fuel fires “the building structure would still be
there”?


• Were the WTC steel components tested for fire resistance
according to the existing NYC code (3 hours for columns,
2 hours for floors) prior to WTC construction?



• Why did NIST ignore all the witness testimony regarding
bombs and explosions in the towers and refuse to test any
steel for explosives residue?





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