An Introduction to Non-Orthodox 9/11 Theory.

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This is a shortened version of stallion4's original post, which can be viewed in its entirety at the September 11, 2001 forum, a sub-forum of the Coffee Shack section, in the Randi Rhodes Message Board, entitled;

What Really Happened on 9/11?

This is some of the most compelling evidence and information that I've been able to compile over the past few months that supports a 9/11 cover-up. The official government story says that an Arab named Osama bin Laden (still at large) engineered the whole thing while located in a cave somewhere in Afghanistan with the help of 19 other Arabs who hijacked U.S. commercial jets with box-cutters and flew them into the World Trade Center Towers and Pentagon with pinpoint accuracy. This is only a small portion of evidence and information that proves we've all been lied to by the United States government about what really happened on 9/11:

Witnesses Report Bombs/Explosions In The WTC


Firemen recall "detonations" in South Tower:

fireman2: We made it outside, we made it about a block.
fireman1: We made it at least 2 blocks.
fireman2: 2 blocks.
fireman1: and we started runnin'
fireman2: poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch
fireman1: Floor by floor it started poppin' out ..
fireman2: It was as if as if they had detonated, det..
fireman1: yea detonated yea
fireman2: as if they had planned to take down a building,
boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom ...
fireman1: All the way down, I was watchin it, and runnin'

(60 second video clip):
http://911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/discussion_in_firehouse.mpg

Member of the FDNY:

"We were trying to get some of the people out, but then there was secondary explosions and then subsequent collapses."

Video: http://www.911blimp.net/videos/FDNY-explosions.mov

FDNY Firefighter:

"As we were getting our gear on and making our way to the stairway, there was a heavy duty explosion."

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/heavy.duty.explosion.wmv

MSNBC Reporter:

"At 10:30 I tried to leave the building, but as I got outside I heard a second explosion and another rumble and more smoke and more dust. I ran inside the building and the chandelier shook and again black smoke filled the air. Within another five minutes we were covered again with more soot and more dust. And then a fire marshal came in and said we had to leave, because if there was a third explosion this building might not last.."

Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.ann.thompson.intermediate.explosions.wmv

Reporter:

"45 minutes into the taping we were doing, there was an explosion. It was way up where the fire was and the whole building at that point bellied out in flames and everybody ran."

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.2.wmv

NBC reporter Pat Dawson

Video clip of Pat Dawson reporting on the comments made by Albert Turi, Chief of Safety for the New York City Fire Department, claiming there were bombs planted in the WTC:

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.1.wmv

Eye-witness:

"I was about five blocks away when I heard explosions... three thuds and turned around to see the building that we just got out of... tip over and fall in on itself."

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.witness.1.wmv

Eye-witness:

"...and then all of a sudden it started like... it sounded like gunfire... you know, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang and then all of a sudden three big explosions."

Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.witness.2.wmv

September 12, 2001, New York City, People.com

Louie Cacchioli, 51, is a firefighter assigned to Engine 47 in Harlem.

We were the first ones in the second tower after the plane struck. I was taking firefighters up in the elevator to the 24th floor to get in position to evacuate workers. On the last trip up a bomb went off. We think there was bombs set in the building...

Source:
http://prisonplanet.com/louie_cacchioli.htm

Terror in the City, September 12 , 2001, Notes from Robert Ivy, FAIA Editor-in-chief

...we felt a rumble like faraway thunder and turned. The impossible was happening. The south tower of the World Trade Center shook, and in what resembled an elemental act, fell to earth in a mighty shout. The entire dissolution, the changeover from solid elements to ash, took only seconds, and it was gone...

http://www.archrecord.com/news/fromTheField/archives/0109terror.asp

An Eye-Witness Account of the World Trade Center Attacks
from Neil deGrasse Tyson

The following is the text from an email Neil deGrasse Tyson sent to his family and friends on 12 September 2001. Neil witnessed the attacks on the twin towers from his apartment only six blocks from the World Trade Center. He is Director of the Hayden Planetarium of the American Museum of Natural History, which is located in New York City. Neil also serves as The Planetary Society's Vice President...

From: Neil deGrasse Tyson
Sent: 10AM, Wednesday, 12 September 2001
Subject: The Horror, The Horror

...4) As more and more and more and more and more emergency vehicles descended on the World Trade Center, I hear a second explosion in WTC 2, then a loud, low-frequency rumble that precipitates the unthinkable -- a collapse of all the floors above the point of explosion. First the top surface, containing the helipad, tips sideways in full view. Then the upper floors fall straight down in a demolition-style implosion, taking all lower floors with it, even those below the point of the explosion...

...6) I decide it's time to get my daughter, who was taken by the parents of a friend of hers to a small office building, six blocks farther from the WTC than my apartment. As I dress for survival: boots, flashlight, wet towels, swimming goggles, bicycle helmet, gloves, I hear another explosion followed by a now all-too familiar rumble that signaled the collapse of WTC 1, the first of the two towers to have been hit. I saw the iconic antenna on this building descend straight down in an implosion twinning the first...

Tuesday, 11 September, 2001, Eyewitnesses tell of horror, BBC News

"...I saw everything from my balcony in Soho. The first plane tried to veer off the tower but slammed straight into it, followed by the second plane," Nadine Keller of New York City wrote in an e-mail to BBC News Online.

"There was smoke everywhere. I heard the bomb and saw both buildings crumble like biscuits," Ms Keller said.

The BBC received more than 1,300 e-mails from witnesses and other concerned readers within the first few hours after the attack.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1537500.stm

9/11 Survivor Describes Multiple Explosions

"There were explosions going off everywhere. I was convinced that there were bombs planted all over the place and someone was sitting at a control panel pushing detonator buttons. I was afraid to go down Church Street toward Broadway, but I had to do it. I ended up on Vesey Street. There was another explosion. And another. I didn't know where to run."

Source: "Teresa Veliz: A Prayer to Die Quickly and Painlessly," in September 11: An Oral History by Dean E. Murphy (Doubleday, 2002), pp 9-15. http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/veliz-bombs.htm

CBS News Channel Eyewitness Describes 'Secondary Explosions' in WTC:
The following clips originate from CBS Channel 2 in New York. The reporter is in a helicopter as the WTC Towers collapse:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/april2004/042704secondaryexplosions.htm

The entire interview can be streamed at the link below without having to download it:
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/270605truthexpose.htm

Video Proof Of Explosions At The WTC



The video clip below was shot by a hand-held camera of the South Tower's collapse. Watch closely as the collapse travels downward you'll see an explosion squib eject vertically from the tower approx 10 floors below the point of collapse. This squib is located near what looks like a 'Stripe' on the tower:
http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/south_2.avi




This video shows a squib eject from the South Tower approx 50-floors below the point of collapse:
http://www.unoriginal.co.uk/newvideos/911.wtc.2.demolition.south.below%20-%20UNORIGINAL.CO.UK%20.mpeg


This reporter's video was shot just before and during the collapse of the South Tower:
http://terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem4/911.wtc.2.demoltion.west.below.wmv

Various video clips of the collapses:


http://images.indymedia.org/imc/ontario/wtc-2_demolition_waves.mpg

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/south_2.mpg

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/010912%20-%203rd%20clip.avi

http://plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/010912%20-%203rd%20clip.mpg


Detonation squibs seen during the collapse of the North Tower:
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/north_tower_collapse.mpeg

quicktime video of squibs ejecting vertically as the North Tower collapses above them:
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/squibs_and_streamers.mov

In this clip a tripod mounted camera shakes approx 10 seconds before the North Tower collapses. During the camera shake, an object or person can be seen falling from the right side of the tower. Could the shake of the camera and the object falling from the tower be a result of an explosion coming from the building?:
http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/n_tower_1st24.mpg

Unfortunately, all of the debris from the collapses at ground zero was quickly removed, destroyed and shipped off to places like China and Korea before forensic examination could be performed. Why?

Firefighter Mag Raps 9/11 Probe,By JOE CALDERONE Daily News Chief of Investigations, Friday, January 04, 2002

A respected firefighting trade magazine with ties to the city Fire Department is calling for a "full-throttle, fully resourced" investigation into the collapse of the World Trade Center.

A signed editorial in the January issue of Fire Engineering magazine says the current investigation is "a half-baked farce."

The piece by Bill Manning, editor of the 125-year-old monthly that frequently publishes technical studies of major fires, also says the steel from the site should be preserved so investigators can examine what caused the collapse. "Did they throw away the locked doors from the Triangle Shirtwaist fire? Did they throw away the gas can used at the Happy Land social club fire? ... That's what they're doing at the World Trade Center," the editorial says. "The destruction and removal of evidence must stop immediately..."

...A growing number of fire protection engineers have theorized that "the structural damage from the planes and the explosive ignition of jet fuel in themselves were not enough to bring down the towers," the editorial stated.

http://www.cam.net.uk/home/Nimmann/peace/explosions.htm

Since When Do High-rise Buildings Fall Down From Fire?



"The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door -- this intense grid -- and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting".

Frank A. Demartini, on-site construction manager for the World Trade Center, January 25, 2001. Demartini, who had an office on the 88th floor of the North Tower, died on 9/11/2001 in the World Trade Center attack.(Video of the Demartini interview):
http://www.freepressinternational.com/wtc_11152004_manager_88888.html



Before or after 9/11 there has never been a collapse of a high-rise building from fire. However, on 9/11 the collapse of three buildings were blamed on fire.

Towers 1 and 2 collapsed in (approx) ten seconds. Which means they fell at (approx) the same speed as free fall (indicating that there was little or no resistance). Yet the floors themselves were 39" thick and the top 4" was a poured concrete slab that had interlocking vertical steel trusses underneath it.

If there weren't explosives used, this steel would have absorbed much of the kinetic energy as one floor fell onto another causing the 110-story towers to fall slower than ten seconds.



From the 2004 book Waking Up From Our Nightmare
The 9/11/01 Crimes In New York City
by Don Paul and Jim Hoffman

the core of the matter

Construction photographs of the Twin Towers reveal a possible reason FEMA went to such great lengths to hide the existence of the structural cores.


This construction photograph of the North Tower shows that the core structures consisted of bundles of columns cross-linked by horizontal and diagonal members.


Each tower's core contained 47 continuous box columns which ran from the bedrock foundations seven stories below street level to near the tops of the Towers, where they transitioned to I-beams. These box-columns measured 36 inches by 16 inches and were fabricated of steel four inches thick near the Towers' bases.

FEMA's report hides and minimizes the core structures whose their existence made the symmetric total collapses of the Towers due to gravity impossible. Even if the collision and fire damage could have induced collapse events, they would have caused the Towers to topple like trees, pivoting about the cores at the impact zones.

Destroying the core columns is key to achieving total building collapse, yet FEMA's long report has only one short passage explaining how the cores self-destructed.

As the floors collapsed, this left tall freestanding portions of the exterior wall and possibly central core columns. As the unsupported height of these freestanding exterior wall elements increased, they buckled at the bolted column splice connections, and also collapsed.

Note the legalistic language of ‘ possibly central core columns ’. The authors knew the core columns were not free-standing and would not instantly self-destruct if the floors fell away. Nor were the perimeter columns, stitched together by horizontal spandrell plates, free-standing as the passage implies. By qualifying this key assertion, FEMA's team might have been protecting themselves from possible future prosecution for obstruction of justice.

http://www.wtc7.net/store/books/wakingup/samples/page29.html

David Ray Griffin discusses WTC building collapses (1 minute Video clip)
http://terrorize.dk/911/comments/david.ray.griffin.controlled.demolitions.wmv

10 minute video presentation by MIT Engineer/Research Scientist, Jeff King talking about the collapses of the World Trade Center buildings:
http://reopen911.org/video/cte_07.mov

Another excerpt from the book Waking Up From Our Nightmare
The 9/11/01 Crimes In New York City:

the killer fires theory

The first Official Explanation to be broadcast was that fires ignited by the jetliners' fuel had melted steel beams and columns within the Towers and thus caused the skyscrapers to ‘collapse’.

The British Broadcasting Company quoted ‘structural engineer’ Chris Wise in its September 13, 2001 piece How the World Trade Center Fell. Wise spoke with cinematic emphasis:

It was the fire that killed the buildings. There's nothing on earth that could survive those temperatures with that amount of fuel burning ... The columns would have melted, the floors would have melted and eventually they would have collapsed one on top of each other.

The BBC online news story of 9/13/01 also quoted another expert. The buildings' construction manager, Hyman Brown, agreed that nothing could have saved them from the inferno.

The buildings would have stood had a plane or a force caused by a plane smashed into it, But steel melts, and 24,000 gallons of aviation fluid melted the steel. Nothing is designed or will be designed to withstand that fire.

This graphic from the BBC is thoroughly inaccurate:



* It describes the columns as steel-reinforced concrete when in fact they were 100% steel.
* It depicts the core as a being a fraction of its actual dimensions.
* It states that 800ºC temperatures can melt steel, when steel's melting point is 1535ºC.



The fundamental problem with the jet-fuel-melting-steel explanation is that its premise contradicts the laws of physics. No amount of ‘ “aviation fluid” ’ burning in the open flames of a building fire could even begin to melt steel. 1535ºCelsius is the melting point of structural steel, whereas 825ºCelsius is around the maximum temperature attainable with hydrocarbon-fueled fires without systematic pre-heating or pressurization of the air.

http://www.wtc7.net/store/books/wakingup/samples/page26.html

Radio interview: Jim Hoffman's scientific analysis of the WTC collapses:
part 1
http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=209.81.10.18&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20040929-Wed1400.mp3
part 2
http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=209.81.10.18&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20041215-Wed1400.mp3

Not everyone is convinced by the official story of the towers collapse...

The laboratory director from a South Bend firm has been fired for attempting to cast doubt on the federal investigation into what caused the World Trade Center's twin towers to collapse on Sept. 11, 2001. Kevin R. Ryan was terminated Tuesday from his job at Environmental Health Laboratories Inc., a subsidiary of Underwriters Laboratories Inc., the consumer-product safety testing giant.

Ryan wrote that the institute's preliminary reports suggest the WTC's supports were probably exposed to fires no hotter than 500 degrees -- only half the 1,100-degree temperature needed to forge steel, Ryan said. That's also much cooler, he wrote, than the 3,000 degrees needed to melt bare steel with no fire-proofing.

"This story just does not add up," Ryan wrote in his e-mail to Frank Gayle, deputy chief of the institute's metallurgy division, who is playing a prominent role in the agency investigation. "If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I'm sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers." <Salt Bend Tribune>

Let's take a closer look at the WTC fires...


Survivor testimony and firefighters transmissions document no inferno at the aircraft impact level.

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"It was noticeable that with the South Tower, the one that fell first, the ensuing ash was white and grey, whereas with the second tower that fell, the North Tower, it was black. Now, if that was because it burned longer or what I don't know, but it was a noticeable difference." <Nova Online>

This observation along with the above indicates two things:

1. There was little fire in WTC 2 prior to its collapse.
2. The black ash from WTC 1 indicates the presence of large amounts of soot. Soot is a byproduct of inefficient combustion, therefore the fires in WTC 1 did not burn at extreme temperatures.


9/11 Comparison Fires

Massive Blaze Destroys Madrid High-Rise
LA TIMES - February 14, 2005
Firefighters struggled for nearly 24 hours before controlling one of Madrid's worst blazes, which reduced a 32-story office building to a blackened hulk of twisted wreckage.

Thick smoke and temperatures up to nearly 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit prevented firefighters from entering the Windsor building until late Sunday.

The fire, which slightly injured seven people, erupted Saturday night. Though badly damaged, the tower didn't collapse.

Video of the Madrid fire from the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/news_web/video/40823000/nb/40823471_nb_16x9.ram

Interstate Bank Building Fire Los Angeles, California (May 4, 1988)



On Wednesday, May 4 and continuing in to May 5, 1988, the Los Angeles City Fire Department responded to and extinguished the most challenging and difficult high-rise fire in the city's history. The fire destroyed four floors and damaged a fifth floor of the modern 62 story First Interstate Bank building in downtwon L.A., claimed one life, injured approximately 35 occupants and 14 fire personnel, and resulted in a property loss of over $50 million...

More: http://www.iklimnet.com/hotelfires/interstatebank.html

1975 WTC fire burned six floors for three hours
http://www.total911.info/2005/04/1975-wtc-fire-burned-six-floors-for.html

Building 7

“Amazing, incredible pick your word. For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down.”

- CBS News anchor Dan Rather commenting on the collapse of Building 7 - September 11, 2001 at approx 5:30pm EST.



Building 7 was 47 stories tall. It was the third and final building to collapse on 9/11. However, Building 7 was not hit by an airplane. It suffered only light damage from falling debris from the towers. There had been reports of only a few small fires coming from inside the building before it collapsed flawlessly into its own footprint without harming any of the surrounding structures .






In the picture above you can see the pile of rubble from the WTC 7 collapse located between the two standing buildings in the overhead photo. The building with the large hole in the center of it was Building 6. It was located between the twin Towers and Building 7 and suffered an enourmous amount of damage from falling debris and fires, but it did not collapse.

The official reason for the collapse of Building 7 was blamed on fire and falling debris that supposedly damaged a diesel fuel tank that was stored in the building causing the fuel in the tank to leak and ignite.

If this theory was true, wouldn't it be a lot easier and less expensive for a building demolition team to simply pour some diesel fuel on a few of the floors and then drop a match on it instead of spending days or weeks planning and wiring the building with explosives?



Detonation squibs?
http://thewebfairy.com/911/7/7squibview.wmv


How did the person who shot this video know that WTC 7 was going to collapse?
http://terrorize.dk/911/wtc7dem2/911.wtc.7.demolition.window.wmv

7 World Trade Center - History:

From WTC 7.net:

Introduction

What was Building 7?

What was in Building 7?
Building 7's position relative to the Twin Towers

September 11th

the fires in Building 7
the vertical collapse of Building 7
videos of the collapse
Building 7's tidy rubble pile

The Aftermath

the destruction of the steel
the failure to investigate Building 7's collapse
FEMA's official report of Building 7's collapse
the media's silence about Building 7

What Made Building 7 Collapse?

the cause of the collapse
fires and building collapses
controlled demolition

Ongoing Developments

"And they made that decision to pull ...

Fires Versus Steel Buildings

The official explanation that fires caused the collapse of Building 7 is incredible in light of the fact that fires have never caused a steel frame building to collapse, before or after September 11th.

Steel-frame highrises (buildings of fifteen stories or more) have been widespread for over 100 years. There have been hundreds of incidents involving severe fires in such buildings, and none have led to complete collapse, or even partial collapse of support columns.

Recent examples of highrise fires include the 1991 One Meridian Plaza fire in Philadelphia, which raged for 18 hours and gutted 8 floors of the 38 floor building; 1 and the 1988 First Interstate Bank Building fire in Los Angeles, which burned out of control for 3 1/2 hours and gutted 4 floors of the 64 floor tower. Both of these fires were far more severe than any fires seen in Building 7, but those buildings did not collapse. The Los Angeles fire was described as producing "no damage to the main structural members"

More: http://www.wtc7.net/buildingfires.html#ref3

This is an excerpt from a radio interview with Indira Singh, ground zero rescue worker and 9/11 whistleblower. She says that she and others were told to move away from building 7 by members of the FDNY, because they were "going to have to bring it down":

Radio host Bonnie Falkner: How long did you work as an emergency medical technician and exactly what is it that you were doing (at ground zero)?

Indira Singh: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down. And what we were expecting as an EMT… you're trained for live survivors and there were people on the pile digging and looking for survivors and what happened is they would bring someone out to the nearest triage center… we would stabilize them put them in an ambulance and send them further uptown… so we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down. If you had been there, not being able to see very much... just flames everywhere and dark smoke... it is entirely possible... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down, because I heard that they were going to bring it down because it was unstable, because of the collateral damage. That I don't know. I can't attest to the validity of that. All I can attest to is that by noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.

Bonnie Falkner: Did they actually use the word "brought" down and who was it that was telling you this?

Indira Singh: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

The entire interview can be listened to at the link below. The excerpt from above can be found approximately 10 minutes into the interview.

Guns & Butter Radio interview w/ Indira Singh hosted by Bonnie Falkner - April 27th 2005:
http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=209.81.10.18&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20050427-Wed1400.mp3

Larry Silverstein:


"I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse."

- World Trade Center lease holder, Larry Silverstein, commenting on the collapse of Building 7 in the PBS documentary "America Rebuilds" that aired in September of 2002

You can watch a video clip of his comments here: http://pfabf.com/uploads/larrysayspulli.wmv

In the same documentary a cleanup worker refers to the demolition of WTC 6 which occurred months after 9/11:

"... we're getting ready to pull building six."


Here are some quick facts concerning Mr. Silverstein:

FACT: Larry Silverstein purchased the property rights of all 7 buildings of the WTC six weeks before September 11, 2001 with a single down payment of $100 million, despite high vacancy rates of offices at the WTC.

FACT: This was the first time that the WTC had changed hands in its thirty year history.

FACT: The WTC complex was not insured against an act of war, but new policies were added prior to 9/11 that insured against terrorist damage.

FACT: Silverstein sought to double his insurance payout to 7 billion dollars claiming the 2 planes were 2 separate attacks.

FACT: The decision to 'pull' WTC 7 would have made a lot of people happy:

The SEC has not quantified the number of active cases in which substantial files were destroyed . Reuters news service and the Los Angeles Times published reports estimating them at 3,000 to 4,000. They include the agency's major inquiry into the manner in which investment banks divvied up hot shares of initial public offerings during the high-tech boom. ..."Ongoing investigations at the New York SEC will be dramatically affected because so much of their work is paper-intensive," said Max Berger of New York's Bernstein Litowitz Berger & Grossmann. "This is a disaster for these cases." <New York Lawyer>

Citigroup says some information that the committee is seeking was destroyed in the Sept. 11 terror attack on the World Trade Center. Salomon had offices in 7 World Trade Center, one of the buildings that collapsed in the aftermath of the attack. The bank says that back-up tapes of corporate emails from September 1998 through December 2000 were stored at the building and destroyed in the attack. <TheStreet>

Inside the US Secret Service's largest field office with more than 200 employees. ..."All the evidence that we stored at 7 World Trade, in all our cases, went down with the building," according to US Secret Service Special Agent David Curran. <TechTV>

Silverstein: WTC Leaseholder May Collect Up To $4.6B, Greg Levine, 12.06.04
http://www.forbes.com/2004/12/06/1206autofacescan06.html

How Were Bombs Planted In The WTC Buildings?


"When we got to about 50 feet from the South Tower, we heard the most eerie sound that you would ever hear. A high-pitched noise and a popping noise made everyone stop. We all looked up. At the point, it all let go. The way I see it, it had to be the rivets. The building let go. There was an explosion and the whole top leaned toward us and started coming down. I stood there for a second in total awe, and then said, "What the F###?" I honestly thought it was Hollywood."

- Eye-witness Jeff Birnbaum, president of Broadway Electrical Supply Co., New York
http://september11.ceenews.com/ar/electric_broadway_electrical_supplys/


Here are some examples that may shed some light on how a demolition team could have planted explosives in those buildings undetected:

People magazine - United in Courage
September 12, 2001

Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed.

http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/manhattan/wtc/ny-nyaler122362178sep12,0,6794009.story

San Francisco Indy Media

WE RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING from someone who worked for Fiduciary Trust on the 90th, 94-97th floors of the South Tower:

"On the weekend of 9/8,9/9 there was a 'power down' condition in WTC tower 2, the south tower. This power down condition meant there was no electrical supply for approx 36 hrs from floor 50 up. I am aware of this situation since I work in IT and had to work with many others that weekend to ensure that all systems were cleanly shutdown beforehand ... and then brought back up afterwards. The reason given by the WTC for the power down was that cabling in the tower was being upgraded ...

"Of course without power there were no security cameras, no security locks on doors and many, many 'engineers' coming in and out of the tower. I was at home on the morning of 9/11 on the shore of Jersey City, right opposite the Towers, and watching events unfold I was convinced immediately that something was happening related to the weekend work."
http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2004/04/1691636.php

WORLD TRADE CENTER RESCUE HERO (William Rodriguez) SUES BUSH AND OTHERS UNDER RICO STATUTE, ALLEGES WILLFUL COMPLICITY IN ATTACKS THAT KILLED 3,000 (Press Release)

The full RICO lawsuit can be downloaded here (pdf file)

Excerpt from the lawsuit:

99. Plaintiff notes also that there was a "power down"� condition in the South Tower, ostensibly due to the need to carry out a "cabling upgrade"� on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001. This could have afforded Enterprise demolition agents the opportunity to implant explosives in the South Tower, without being recorded on security cameras. Plaintiff notes further that Stratesec, a company of which Marvin Bush, the President's brother, was formerly a director, provided security in the WTC Complex.
http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/RodriguezComplaint6.htm

Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm



Bush Says He Saw The First Plane Hit The Tower! But How?

"We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate
outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty."

-GW Bush speaking before the UN GeGeneral Assembly 11/10/2001

George W. Bush has publically claimed at least twice that he saw the first plane (flight 11?) hit the (north) tower on television news before he entered the classroom at Emma E. Booker Elementary School on the morning of 9/11. This is impossible, because there was no television news video footage of the first plane hitting that tower until hours after it was reported to have hit at 8:46 am. Below are Bush's claims of seeing the first plane hit and also some mainstream news reports of exactly where Bush was before, during and after the attacks on 9/11:

Town Hall Meeting, Aired December 4, 2001

QUESTION: ... how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?

BUSH: Well... (APPLAUSE) Thank you, Jordan (ph).

Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida.

And my chief of staff, Andy Card – actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works.

And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower – the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident."

But I was whisked off there – I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower."

CNN Transcript: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html

What? He saw the first plane? Maybe he just mispoke... But wait, he said it again here:

January 5, 2001, Remarks by the President in Town Hall Meeting, Ontario, California

Q: What was the first thing that went through your head when you heard that a plane crashed into the first building?

THE PRESIDENT ...I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane, or -- anyway, I'm sitting there, listening to the briefing, and Andy Card came and said, "America is under attack."

Source: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/20020105-3.html

audio clip: http://www.911blimp.net/sounds/BushAgainSayingHeSaw1stPlaneHitWTConTVthatMorning.mp3

Steve Lemke, a producer in Sarasota, Florida confirms that through a conversation with Gwen Rigell, President Bush did not see television news images of the first plane striking the North Tower before he entered Sandra Kay Daniels' second-grade classroom:

I had the opportunity to talk with Principal Gwen Rigell of Booker Elementary school for about twenty minutes. ... I asked her if in fact the President had been watching the events of 9-11 unfold on TV before he went into that classroom and she told me "Absolutely not". There was no TV in the corridor or anywhere near that classroom

Source: http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=10

New York Post, September 12th 2002
Teacher relives moment Bush- and her kids- got the news

"...at Emma E. Booker Elementary School, teacher Sandra Daniels recalled yesterday how she and her class learned of the terror attacks- when a Secret Service agent rushed into the room to inform the president of United States.

President Bush had been presiding over her reading class last 9/11, when a Secret Service agent interrupted the lesson and asked, "where can we get a television?".

"The President bolted right out of here and told me: "take over", Daniels told the Post yesterday...

...a short while later he came back and said, 'What we thought was an accident turned out to be a terrorist hijack."

The New York Post: http://www.nypost.com/09112002/56883.htm

“I thought it was an accident,” says Mr. Bush. “I thought it was a pilot error. I thought that some foolish soul had gotten lost and - and made a terrible mistake.”

Mr. Bush was told about the first plane just before sitting down with a class of second graders. He was watching a reading drill when, just after nine, United Flight 175 exploded into the second tower. There was the sudden realization that what had seemed like a terrible mistake was a coordinated attack.

Back in the Florida classroom, press secretary Ari Fleischer got the news on his pager. The president’s chief-of-staff, Andy Card stepped in.

“A second plane hit the second tower; America is under attack,” Card told the president

CBS News:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/11/60II/main521718.shtml

Suddenly, a time to lead, By Bill Sammon, THE WASHINGTON TIMES

... climbed into a Cadillac limousine and set out at 8:39 a.m. on the nine-mile trip to Emma E. Booker Elementary in Sarasota...

...What could possibly go wrong on a day such as this? It was 8:46 a.m.
Mr. Bush and his aides, including Mr. Card, arrived nine minutes later at the elementary school on Martin Luther King Jr. Way...

..."We're on time," the president remembered. "I like to stay on time; I like to be crisp."

Personal assistant Blake Gottesman gave him some final stage directions.
"'Here's what you're going to be doing; you're going to meet so-and-so, such-and-such,'" Mr. Bush recalled being told. "And Andy Card says, 'By the way, an aircraft flew into the World Trade Center.'

"And my first reaction was — as an old pilot — how could the guy have gotten so off course to hit the towers? What a terrible accident that is. The first report I heard was a light airplane, twin-engine airplane."

The president entered a holding room at the school and picked up a secure telephone to speak with National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice at the White House. She was sitting in her office, watching live coverage of the stricken north tower as it belched black smoke into a cloudless sky.

"There's one terrible pilot," Mr. Bush muttered.

Turning to Mr. Card, he speculated that the pilot must have suffered a heart attack. Mr. Bush, who had yet to see the TV images, drafted a statement pledging federal assistance...

Source: http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/questions/bush-on-911/ari-dont-say-anything-google-cache.htm

President Bush's Movements and Actions on 9/11
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/main/essayaninterestingday.html


And for what it's worth; There is a branch of the Defense Department called the Defense Information Systems Agency, or DISA. They make it possible for generals to see live battlefield images that are fed to them in real-time from around the globe via satellite. They're also responsible for bringing images of this type to the President. Here's their mission statement:

The Defense Information Systems Agency is a combat support agency responsible for planning, engineering, acquiring, fielding, and supporting Global Net-Centric Solutions and operating the Defense Information System Network to serve the needs of the President, Vice President, the Secretary of Defense, and the other DoD Components, under all conditions of peace and war
http://www.disa.mil/main/about/missman.html

Prior Knowledge:

"I don't think anybody could have predicted that these people would take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take another one and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane as a missile, a hijacked airplane as a missile."

-Condoleezza Rice, May 16, 2002

Even though the United States government denies that they did not know that an attack such as 9/11 was coming, U.S. officials and the media magically announced within hours of the attacks that it was 19 Muslim "terrorists" (along with their names and pictures) that 'hijacked' the doomed flights and were also agents of Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda "network".

'99 Report Warned Of Suicide Hijacking
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/05/17/attack/main509471.shtml

CIA Director George Tenet warned Congressmen of “an imminent attack on the United States of this nature.”

From National Public Radio’s on-the-scene reporting during the attacks: “I spoke with Congressman Ike Skelton—a Democrat from Missouri and a member of the Armed Services Committee—who said that just recently the Director of the CIA warned that there could be an attack—an imminent attack—on the United States of this nature. So this is not entirely unexpected.” Listen to the audio clip: http://www.thememoryhole.org/tenet-911.mp3

On September 10, 2001, San Francisco’s mayor was warned against flying to New York the next morning.

Around 10:00 PM on September 10--not exactly business hours--San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown was advised to use extreme caution if flying the next morning to New York City. Brown refuses to say exactly who gave him the prescient warning, citing only “my security people at the airport.” Source: San Francisco Chronicle.

On September 10, 2001, high-ranking Pentagon officials canceled travel plans for the morning of September 11.

From Newsweek: “On Sept. 10, Newsweek has learned, a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns.”

Attorney General John Ashcroft stopped flying on commercial aircraft in July 2001.

Attorneys General fly in commercial airplanes. Janet Reno did. John Ashcroft did. That is, he did up until July 2001. When asked why Ashcroft had suddenly started flying in leased private jets, an FBI spokesman said, “There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines.” The FBI, the Justice Department, and Ashcroft himself all refused to say what the threat was. Source: CBS News.

source:
http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id2672/pg1/

USA Today - NORAD had drills of jets as weapons
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-04-18-norad_x.htm

CBS - Prior Knowledge (1 minute video clip) http://terrorize.dk/911/news/911.cbs.cia.knew.too.wmv

Report: FBI Informant Knew 9/11 Hijackers - The Associated Press:
http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/questions/fbi-informant-knew-911-hijackers.txt

"A Closer Look" - Ignored Warnings (3 minute video clip): http://terrorize.dk/911/news/911.news.ignored.warnings.rm

USA TODAY - 9/11 panel blasts CIA, FBI's lapses in coming report
http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/questions/fbi-informant-had-numerous-contacts-with-hijackers.txt

Who Knew? The unanswered questions of 9/11, By Seth Ackerman, 9.3.03: http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/questions/who-knew-911.txt

[k-robjoe]

1. Thanks

It is allways possible to add some more. I just came across this comparison : First WTC7 :




Compared to these :





( Pics at : http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/060705compareandcontrast.htm )

[k-robjoe]

2. Another witness on sublevels

"A second WTC maintenance worker has now come forward with eye-witness testimony that a massive explosion erupted in the lower levels of the north tower at approximately the same time the jetliner struck the tower’s top floors.

Jose Sanchez, 45, of New Jersey in a never-released tape recorded statement made in early 2002 to William Rodriguez, the first WTC maintenance man to claim a bomb exploded in the north tower basement, said he heard what sounded like a “huge bomb,” causing lights to flicker on and off, while he worked in a small sub-level 4 workshop."

http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/29079.htm

[pauldp]

3. Kick .

[philb]

4. It makes a strong case imo

But I don't like the title here.

There is nothing unorthadox about most of the information here.
by unorthadox I was assuming alternative.

[petgoat]

5. kick n/t

[reprehensor]

6. Not unorthodox to us...

...the skeptics.

But to someone whose only exposure to 9/11 anomalies is say, the Omission Commission, it's a Biblical revelation.

The hope is that someone who stumbles across this thread, (since new topics don't show up in the 'Latest' section), will consider the tons and tons and tons of documentary evidence which does not jive with official (orthodox) 9/11 reality.