7/7: Very important top eyewitness didn't see alleged bomber nor a bag

[John Doe II]

It is quite surprising that for the four bombings in London on 7/7 there is basically no eyewitness who saw the four alleged bombers in the tubes or in the bus (remark that neither any CCTV image has been released that shows the four alleged bombers entering their last tube or bus).
One exception has been the very often quoted Richard Jones who is supposed to have seen Hussain in the bus. Yet a close analysis of his accounts and a comparison with the photo of Hussain clearly leads to the result that Jones can't have seen Hussain.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x48120
(see post 1, 15 and 49)

The only other witness that comes to mind is Bruce Lait:
"Out of that whole carriage, I think Crystal and I were the only ones who were not seriously injured, and I think we were nearest the bomb."
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2005/07/11/83e33146-09af-4421-b2f4-1779a86926f9.lpf

And he has a very noteworthy observation:
""The policeman said 'mind that hole, that's where the bomb was'. The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train. They seem to think the bomb was left in a bag, but I don't remember anybody being where the bomb was, or any bag," he said."
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/region_wide/2005/07/11/83e33146-09af-4421-b2f4-1779a86926f9.lpf

So, he although he describes several other passengers in he carriage in the article he doesn't remember neither a person or only a bag.
Moreover the description of the hole is surprising:
"The metal was pushed upwards as if the bomb was underneath the train."

And this is so far as I can see the only description we have of an eyewitness from 7/7.
Really no reason for an investigation, Mr. Blair?


Many thanks to seatnineb and Mathias Bröckers for finding this article!

[Benbow]

1. Conspiracy theories R Us

People who have had a traumatic experience often cannot remember anything that happened in the hours immediately before the event, eg a car crash. That is a known, common phenomenon.

Either that, or the witnesses are all dead.

[Woody Box]

4. What are you talking about?

This man didn't loose his memory. He remembered very well what happened.

Do you think the pushed up metal of the floor was a hallucination?

And, no, the witnesses are not all dead. Be sure there were more people in the trains/bus than the 52 dead.

[Woody Box]

6. Additionally

the witness described the scene AFTER the explosion, not immediately before.

[bullimiami]

5. when simple eyewitness facts cant be accounted for in the official reports

ie hole upwards through the bottom of the carriage.

ie descriptions of the 9/11 aircraft

ie where is the plane sized hole in the pentagon or the wreckage


there is cause for questioning.
when the government apparently isnt concerned about the discrepancies there is cause for conspiracy theory.

[StrafingMoose]

7. So they ALL halucinated OR they are dead?

Hm. You should apply at the DoJ, I'm sure they have a job for you.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

10. I thought that about the witness to the shooting saying "he had wires..

in his shirt" I thought his mind was probably playing tricks on him.

Then it turns out the guy was an electrician.


Sometimes you can get info from witnesses, and sometimes what they remember is not correct. Usually a mix of the two. Fascinating.

[okieinpain]

2. one of the guy's wife asked that they prove it was her husband. hmmm

[philb]

3. What evidence do they have implicating the 4 accused?

There is general agreement the 4 accused weren't suicide bombers.

Apparently there are no witnesses or videos implicating them directly?

Is the only evidence connection to bomb materials in a car or building?

Are there no witnesses of scene at the other sites?

[Frederik]

24. There is a CCTV image

of the four entering the train station at Luton together, outside of London.

[ruperupe]

26. i don't know if we can call this an evidence

first of all the newspaper always talked of the cctv image from king's cross which btw has never published. two of the four are hardly identifiable. strange as well that in some cases the image has no stamp, in some only the day, in some day and time and in some day, time and number of the camera. in any case what actually does this image prove? even if it shows the four then it simply proves that the four had backsacks and entered luton station and apparently liked typical teenager clothes. so what?

[Frederik]

27. Can't disagree with any of that

[ruperupe]

28. sorry,

i got you wrong then!
i had the impression that you did in fact consider the image as evidence.

[Frederik]

29. It's at best evidence

that the four young men were in London that morning, and that they were there together. It certainly does not in itself constitute evidence to suggest their culpability in the bombings.

[stickdog]

33. No. You can positively identify just one of them from the released

image. The other "faces" are nothing but blurred pixels.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

8. Tortured nonsense.

And let me just warn you against quoting the Cambridge Evening News on ANYTHING. It's a terrible, stupid rag.

[Woody Box]

13. Nonsense

We don't have to trust the Cambridge Evening News. We just have to listen to the witnesses.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

14. I did listen.

Your interperetation is wrong.

[Woody Box]

17. Which interpretation of mine?

Please elaborate.

[ruperupe]

22. which interpretation??

btw it's a direct quote from the eyewitness not a summary written by the newspaper.

[seatnineb]

23. My fellow Cambridge resident.....

Does this guy look like he is lying?

[Frederik]

25. Are you saying

the Cambridge Evening News made up the whole interview, or that this survivor is lying? If yes on either one, do you have any particular reason for these suspicions, or are you just talking out of your ass?

[petgoat]

32. Cambridge Evening News

This article is very disturbing not just for its content but for its
presentation.

If you google you'll see BBC stories on the Queen's visit
to him, but no mention of Lait's statement except in the Cambridge
Evening News.

Now the fact that they chose to bury such a "Stop The Press!"
statement under a "I was in tube bomb carriage - and survived"
headline, and uncritically reported what could be the ravings of a
head-injured patient is very troubling. It seems to me that they
shouldn't have reported Mr. Lait's remark without checking it
out--getting official comment and either seeing the subway car for
themselves or reporting that they were not allowed to see it. This
kind of reporting stinks.

[JackRiddler]

37. well there we go

it's all ravings except what the Polizei release. Thanks.

[leesa]

9. Blair wants an investigation like Bush had of 9-11, where he specifically

stated that the purpose of the investigation was not to assign blame but to correct investigative agencies procedures. After all, they have already told us who they want us to believe the culprits are. No need to look further.

[Benbow]

12. Bush did not investigate 9/11, otherwise he would have had to accept that

there were no Iraqis on the planes.

[helderheid]

11. Lots more interesting stuff here

http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/messageboards/index.php?showtopic=58343&st=160

[Woody Box]

15. Official story: The rucksack bombs were dumped onto the floor

before they exploded. Just for the record.

Is there a witness who has seen a person dropping his rucksack onto the floor before the explosion? I don't know one.

Their devices were in large rucksacks which could be easily dumped instead of being strapped to their bodies.

...

Our source disclosed: "The theory that they were not a suicide squad is gathering pace. They were the weakest link.

"We think it's possible they were told that when they pressed buttons to set off timers they'd have a short time to abandon the bombs and get away before the blast. Instead, the bombs exploded immediately."


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=15742951&method=full&siteid=94762&headline=was-it-suicide---name_page.html

[Modem Butterfly]

16. People in shock often miss things

And certainly one of the symptoms of trauma is missing memories of the event itself. I suspect the folks who would have been close enough to give a really good description of what happened did not survive.

[Woody Box]

18. No missing memories

I repeat myself: This man didn't loose his memory. He remembered very well what he's seen: pushed up floor metal.

[John Doe II]

19. He remembers many details

eg:
"I remember an Asian guy, there was a white guy with tracksuit trousers and a baseball cap, and there were two old ladies sitting opposite me," he said.

[Woody Box]

21. ...but no rucksack-dropping Middle Easterner (nT)

[Tom Bombadil]

34. He says he remembed an Asian guy.

The accused bomber was an asian man, a British citizen of Pakistani descent.

[Woody Box]

36. ...but without rucksack, obviously

and with another face - otherwise he would have mentioned it.

[assclown_bush]

20. Scotland Yard needs to call in the CSI who found hijacker's Passport

days after the World Trade Center collapsed. It's so awesome the way OUR government was able to sift through the ashes of the jets the terrorist hijackers were in AND all the rubble of the WTC towers AND still OUR people found a Magic passport that flew out of an evil-doers claws. Gee-willickers, ain't OUR country great?

:sarcasm:

[JackRiddler]

38. correction

Official story: Passport of Satam al-Suqami found at Ground Zero on the day of 9/11/01 itself, apparently after the crash and before the collapse, but possibly after the collapse.

Your magic passport to 9/11 skepticism.

[ruperupe]

30. why did all the newspapers only

quote richard jones the whole times? although as john doe II has shown certainly can't have seen the bomber? why does only one newspaper print this interview? why is it not all over the places?

[John Doe II]

31. Kick

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[John Doe II]

35. Addendum

Bruce Lait stresses the fact that his dancing partner
"I think were nearest the bomb".

This is another detail that underlines that there was
nobody where the bomb was
nobobdy very close.

So, many details in his account and all let you go hmmmm!

Is there any official report about the damage the bomb created?