They DID KNOW that 9/11 was going to happen

[ck4829]

As early as May of 2001, Bush was building an 'Office of National Preparedness'.

"Bush directed Vice President Dick Cheney to coordinate the
federal government's defenses against terrorism and announced
plans for a new Office of National Preparedness. Bush acted after
a critical government report was issued in March and as three
Senate committees are examining the possibility of a future
terrorist attack surpassing the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing that
claimed 168 lives.

``The magnitude of this threat is just beginning to sink in,''
said Sen. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., citing a host of terrorism experts
who have predicted that, when it comes to a devastating attack,
``It's not a matter of if, but when.''

Bush said the spread of weapons of mass destruction to countries
with ties to terrorist groups has heightened the potential
danger.

``Against this backdrop, it is clear that the threat of
chemical, biological or nuclear weapons being used against the
United States -- while not immediate -- is very real,'' he said."

http://www.xmission.com/pub/lists/abolition-usa/archive/v01.n445

[SouthernDem2004]

1. Still no proof. Try again.

[ck4829]

2. You can never prove something

You can only make piles of evidence.

The reason I emboldened Pat Roberts is because isn't he one of the guys who helped obstruct the investigation of Plame-Gate?

[SouthernDem2004]

4. Interesting logic. /nt

[ck4829]

7. No no no.

Pardon me for being incoherent. :)

Where is this Office of National Preparedness now?

[SouthernDem2004]

10. Well after the attack they decided they needed something else.

Seems like evidence they did not know to me.

[petgoat]

17. Pat Roberts

He's also chairman of the Senate Select Intelligence Committee.
They did an investgation of the WMD intelligence, Phase I, which blamed
the problems on the CIA. They were supposed to do Phase II and examine
the uses to which the White House put the intelligence, but they haven't
done it. Roberts said something to the effect that it would be a waste
of time to plow old ground.

Kerry and maybe ten other Senators wrote him to ask him to do Phase II
in light of the Downing Street Memos.

[BlueEyedSon]

5. How's this?

[Swamp Rat]

9. Thank you. That is Incontrovertible Proof.

Just wait 'til Americans find out THEY did it ON PURPOSE for PNAC and Profit.

[BlueEyedSon]

14. It's not, but it is pretty fishy that a POTUS would get this and go on

VACATION FOR A FUCKING MONTH.

Unless he WANTED TO TEMPT FATE.....

[petgoat]

18. 8-6 Bin Laden Determined to Strike Memo and Bush's Vacation

Representative Cynthia McKinney says that during the month Bush was
on vacation in Crawford ignoring the 8-6 PDB he had 24-hour fighter
air cover.

http://www.counterpunch.org/mckinney0918.html

[fob]

6. Maybe not proof, but damn the questions it generates! How could they

be so "on top of the situation" in March 2001, prescient even, yet do not a goddmaned thing in regards to the Aug 6 PDB?

This just may be "proof" that the Clinton Admin did a good job instilling the sense of urgency re: terrorism to the bush* admin and that it took the bush* admin a while to put their "plan" in place.

[seemslikeadream]

13. The proof is right here

http://www.complete911timeline.org/
“THE TERROR TIMELINE is a tremendous resource that will give readers a truly independent means of judging our government in its errant conduct of the war on terror.”
— PETER LANCE, author of Cover Up and 1000 Years for Revenge

“A spectacular resource that is an essential tool for anyone who is truly interested in understanding the events leading up to 9/11.”
— CRAIG UNGER, author of the House of Bush, House of Saud

“This is the basic book on 9/11. Paul Thompson's work tells what happened that day, tracing the events leading up to the attack, and what has transpired since. After years of self-serving reports by ineffectual politicians in Washington, there is at last an independent report, based entirely on publicly known facts, that is thorough and reliable. Read it and decide for yourself whether there was a cover-up. It is truly remarkable. Thank God there are people like Thompson.”
—JAMES RIDGEWAY, author of The March to War

“Paul Thompson's Timeline has served as the definitive source for any researcher attempting to penetrate the mysteries of 9/11. This book effect a major change in the course of U.S. history.”
— PETER DALE SCOTT, author of Drugs, Oil, and War: The United States in Afghanistan, Columbia, and Indochina

“Paul Thompson’s exhaustive and richly detailed research has now provided the world with a veritable
treasure trove of 9/11 information. If you want to know everything about 9/11, you must
read this book. If you want to better understand 9/11, you must read this book. Our intelligence
agencies should be recruiting people like Paul Thompson, because he’s brilliant.”
—KRISTEN BREITWEISER, co-chair, September 11th Advocates; member,
Family Steering Committee; and wife of Ronald M. Breitweiser, WTC Tower Two

“Having lost loved ones on 9/11, we had the passion and drive to research and follow through
with our quest for answers, but until we stumbled across Paul Thompson’s exquisitely detailed and
well-sourced timeline on the Internet, much of the information that we found out about the
events surrounding 9/11 were out of context or unverifiable. Paul’s timeline gave us a much-needed
measure of clarity when our lives were filled with ambiguities.”
—PATTY CASAZZA , co-chair, September 11th Advocates; member,
Family Steering Committee; and wife of John Casazza, WTC Tower One

“Paul Thompson’s timeline is an invaluable tool and a must read for anyone who really wants to
understand the events of 9/11. One can only hope that the 9/11 Independent Commission’s
report, with its unprecedented access to millions of documents, is as detailed and thorough as this
citizen’s account is. If the many questions raised by this book are ever answered, it would go a long
way toward making us all safer.”
—MINDY KLEINBERG, co-chair, September 11th Advocates; member,
Family Steering Committee; and wife of Alan Kleinberg, WTC Tower One

“For all of us who lost our loved ones on 9/11, and for anyone who seeks the truth about what
happened on that awful September day, Paul Thompson’s timeline is where all research into the
subject should begin. I am eternally grateful for Paul’s meticulous work and have referred to
Thompson’s timeline since the beginning of my quest for answers into my husband Ken’s death.
Thank you, Paul.”
—LORIE VAN AUKEN, co-founder, September 11th Advocates; member,
Family Steering Committee; and wife of Kenneth Van Auken, WTC Tower One

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/911_terror_timeline_by_paul_thompson.jsp

[Rex]

3. Of course they knew

I've NEVER seen anyone like the BFEE milk a tragedy like 911! No wonder the rest of the world hates us!

[Stephanie]

8. And yet, he threw Hart-Rudman in the circular file

He failed to act on the July or August PDB's. He did not warn the airlines. And he went on vacation. Or, got out of harm's way.

[xchrom]

11. indeed.

i will give bushco this -- lihop rather than mihop -- but so many people knew major terrorism was going to hit the u.s. -- and when it comes to 9-11 specifically, it becomes a matter of who didn't know.

i've never seen so many people who tried to warn, alert, hi-light, etc regarding the characters on 9-11 it's impossible for me to believe there those very, very high up the ladder who simply chose to the matter play itself out.

[Disturbed]

12. Remember the CIA Report regarding 911?

It was supposed to surface (before) the '04 Elections. It has not appeared....yet.

[Tactical Progressive]

15. They let 9/11 happen

on purpose. They didn't just 'know' it was going to happen. Alot of people 'knew' it was going to happen and they all wanted to take action to prevent it. Knowing is amoral. What Bush and Cheney did was immoral. They knowingly let large-scale murder happen.

Everyone involved in America's national security knew it was going to happen. The Clinton administration repeatedly tried to impress upon them the danger. Hart, Rudman, the DOD, the CIA, a slew of foreign intelligence agencies, a host of others from their inside their own ranks like Richard Clarke to involved parties outside like Roberts and Rohrbacher and O’Neill - all yelling at them to do their number one responsibility. It was way, way more than just a few people and a PDB. They ignored a crescendo of intelligence, warnings and pleas, instead completely abrogating their primary responsiblity, which was to protect America first. They did this continuously and with intent for nine months straight.

Cheney and Bush let this country get attacked as surely as anything in the domain of human action can ever be certain. There isn't just some evidence of it. There is only evidence of it.

[Bushwick Bill]

16. Gee, ya think they knew?

You had several international warnings. Most notably, after the attacks, Vladimir Putin said on MSNBC that in August 2001, he ordered Russian intelligence to warn the U.S. government "in the strongest possible terms" of imminent attacks on airports and government buildings.
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essaytheytriedtowarnus
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/essay.jsp?article=essayairdefense
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,53065,00.html

Then, several FBI agents in two offices (Minneapolis and Phoenix) as well as other individuals (most notably Robert Wright) did a great job conducting investigations, writing memos and requesting to further investigate some of the alleged hijackers because they thought for certain that these guys were in training to crash planes. At most every turn, the agents were ignored, smeared or threatened when they tried to speak out. But for one exception (Colleen Rowley), all of their memos were classified in the interest of national security and won't be released. Here is Colleen Rowley's memo:
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020603/memo.html

Some of these FBI agents got so upset their superiors wouldn't listen to them that they actually called up one of the guys who prosecuted Bill Clinton (David Schippers) to get through to the administration because they thought Schippers had clout with the administration. John Ashcroft ignored Schippers' calls.

Don't forget that you had you had John Ashcroft stop flying commercially before the attacks.

Of course, many of us heard about about large numbers of "put" options on stocks of companies directly affected by the Sept. 11 attacks. We have never been told who made the trades, including a $2.5 million put option on United Airlines that has gone unclaimed. This information can be discovered in a click of a button by the FBI or SEC. It has been revealed that the United Airlines trades were made through a firm once run by former CIA executive director in *'s first term, Buzzy Krongard. Krongard says we would be better off if bin Laden is not caught. Makes you wonder, huh?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0%2C%2C2089-1431539%2C00.html


Oh yeah, I guess the 50 or so FAA warnings weren't enough, either.
"The Federal Aviation Administration received repeated warnings in the months prior to Sept. 11, 2001, about al-Qaida and its desire to attack airlines, according to a previously undisclosed report by the commission that investigated the terror attacks. The report by the Sept. 11 commission detailed 52 such warnings given to FAA leaders from April to Sept. 10, 2001, about the radical Islamic terrorist group and its leader, Osama bin Laden."
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/8916

Getting back to the original post:
"Mike Ruppert's book (citing a White House Press Release of 5/8/01) shows that, in the weeks before 9/11, "all counter-terror response planning and organization had been placed under the control of Dick Cheney" (337). Ruppert makes an initial if still circumstantial case, the strongest that I have seen so far, that "on the day of September 11th Richard Cheney was in full and complete control" of a properly functioning command system, which then deliberately let some of the hijacked planes hit their targets (591, cf. 411, 433). <64>

Ruppert argues that Cheney was in charge because of the multiple wargames running that day -- Vigilant Warrior, Vigilant Guardian, Northern Vigilance, an NRO exercise (name unknown), and Tripod II (a non-military biochemical attack exercise involving FEMA) -- that needed coordination from outside NORAD. <65> If he has no single source to nail this claim down, it is because of the extreme evasiveness shown by officials about that day, as for example:

When asked who was responsible for coordinating the multiple wargames running on the morning of September 11, 2001, General Ralph E. Eberhart, the man in charge of NORAD on the morning in question, replied "No Comment." <66>/div]"
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/postelection.html#p5
Here is another summary of Cheney's role in emergency response and wargames:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/011805_simplify_case.shtml

[petgoat]

19. Ashcroft Quit Flying and Ashcroft Ignored Schippers

I never put those two facts together before.

I want to see a movie about 9/11 that shows the plane flying into the
WTC while Ashcroft sings "Let the Eagle Soar"!

[StrafingMoose]

20. Indeed...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml

[Ferry Fey]

21. The chartered 911 death flight?

Looking into the Ashcroft taking chartered flights, I was reminded that I had seen a mention somewhere that one of the flights on 911 was actually a chartered one. I asked for sources on that, but didn't get an answer back. I believe it was in a thread discussing anomalies with the passenger lists.

Does anyone have more information about one of the 911 flights being chartered?

[StrafingMoose]

22. Chartered?

Being a french native speaking person, I need to ask the question :P


EDIT: Nevermind, I Googled the definition :D


Yea, I heard of that too. But I don't remember much substance about it either.