Okay, I'm rethinking the whole Katrina/BushCo disaster...LIHOP

[Atman]

I can't see any other explanation. All you keep hearing from the right is "don't rely on the government, be self-sufficient."

BushCo wants to privitize the various agencies.

Louisianna is all about OIL.

New Orleans is considered prime real estate.

It was all democratic anyway.

It goes on and on.

I'm really beginning to think that NO ONE could screw up this massively and this thoroughly. And it just so happens to be allowing BushCO to evicerate everything from prevailing wage laws to clean air standards to tax codes. This is one big giant eugenics experiment for a family with a history of racial and ethnic cleansing and experimentation. This Scarborough episode about the ice trucks driving all over the county just to stay busy...which Bush relative owns the ice company? The trucking company?

Jesus...this is too freaking incredible. This has "drown the government in a bathtub" written all over it.

[applegrove]

1. The Question Why will be around a long time. Till it is answered.

[gumby]

2. Kind of like 9/11, huh?

And the sheeple still snooze.

[WiseButAngrySara]

13. How so? n/t

[Informed Citizen]

54. Like this...

Just like 9/11 this disaster happened in September of the first year of Bush's presidential term while he was on vacation. Just like 9/11 Bush seemed oblivious when he already should have known what was happening. Just like 9/11 there was wide knowledge of the possibility of such a disaster at every level of government before it happened. Just like 9/11 training exercises has been previously held that simulated the exact event that occured. Just like 9/11 Bush Co. is going to utilizes the disaster to reshape policy in a manner that puts more control in the federal government. Just like 9/11 Halliburton gets automatic contracts to rebuild. Just like 9/11 the agencies supposedly responsible for the failure that allowed the disaster to occur are going to recieve large sums of money in order to improve their performance.

- I.C.

[grasswire]

3. google these words: Bush Hegel

And you will find the answer to the LIHOP question. The Bush family has long been enamored of Hegelian theory -- making gains through managed chaos. Sweep it all up, related and not. NOLA is an opportunity to push forward on a dozen fronts for them.

[WiseButAngrySara]

12. Hegel the philosopher? I don't remember anything about profiting from

chaos and catastrophy from Hegel, but these same jerks have given Strauss and Machiavelli bad names, so why not Hegel too?

[Name removed]

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[...of J.Temperance]

5. It's a follow the money and who benefits type situation

So, if one does follow the money and one does think who benefits, the answer is Bush Inc. Therefore, the answer to your question is yes. They deliberately let it go for as LONG as possible, those 6 days, because they knew that MORE damage would occur and that would benefit them and their cronies.

And it would also give them the chance to remove en masse a HUGE and solid Democratic voting block in one swoop.

They're vampires and neo-Nazi's...they suck the lifeblood out of EVERYTHING that's good. I wish for them to burn for eternity in the deepest pits of Hell.

[WiseButAngrySara]

15. I agree with you 100%. Especially the HELL part. Follow the money

with these scums, and everything should be revealed.

[...of J.Temperance]

16. They're so incredibly IN-HUMAN and REVOLTING

The only reasons that they can sleep at night is because they have NO conscience and NO soul.

They WILL go to Hell, they came to us FROM Hell, so they will return HOME.

The follow the money and see who benefits, it ALWAYS reveals the culprits, no matter what the subject or scenario is.

[WiseButAngrySara]

20. The older I get, the more I realize the truth of that adage "follow the

money"...especially with this crew of criminals.

I'd like to know ALL of the stockholders of Halliburton and other war profiteering companies. And I mean Congress members, judicial members, newscasters etc...

[...of J.Temperance]

31. It's one of those old sayings that's actually usually true

And yes, I'd like to know all of the stockholders in Halliburton. There's a very tangled and incestuous web, pure gut instinct tells me that.

[WiseButAngrySara]

37. Read Buzzsaw post #21 r.e.: Halliburtons tangled incestuous web! n/t

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[MissWaverly]

11. they just wanted to make the poor truly invisible

like some of those fighting the aid people, don't make it too nice,
we want them to leave, poof go the poor people, problem solved. It
doesn't matter that we are talking about American Citizens, liberty and justice for all, etc., and what were those 3 guaranteed freedoms,
it seems like they were: Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness

[WarNoMore]

30. I've been waiting to see if

anyone but me heard this: when Rachel Maddow was covering for Randi, I think a week ago last Fri., she got a call from a relief worker that claimed some part of the levee was blown. I barely caught it, towards the end of her show.

[electropop]

52. There have been claims of reports

that people near the levee heard a muffled explosion when it burst. Also there has been a claim that a diver in the rescue effort found charred bits of rubble by the levee, and supposedly sent it to a lab friend, who found 2 high-grade explosives on it. Can't vouch for these claims, but they are fun to repeat. :evilgrin:

[whatever4]

7. Me too

I also looked at how many different people in different departments and agencies seemed to have made not just mistakes, but silly, stupid mistakes. Like not sending buses in earlier, any buses, from anywhere, apparently. It looked spun up to be hopelessly confusing, right from the start, in my paranoid little mind.

Last night after his speech, we started saying "why didn't they do this" and "why didn't they do that", and then I realized that if just two people can come up with simple ideas that would have further delegated the work and, even if not perfect, would have certainly saved lives, then they just weren't trying. And too many of them weren't trying. Seriously. If WE could manage ideas, in minutes, but those many many people with their hands in this couldn't manage real plans in a few hours, or a day? WTF! Why the hell not?

Makes no sense. I was already in the LIHOP camp. It's just so sad, what happened, that the outrage of the American public couldn't stop it, and now this awful farce of a clean up, the horrendous way the survivors are being treated, the criminal way the dead aren't being treated or counted, it just goes on and on.

And I wasn't one of those poor souls down there, so I can't complain, but I tell you, it's just been an awful soul-wrenching thing to realize just how bad these people are, this admin and all the official and unofficial supporters of it. It's been a shock, along with the tragedy, and I swear, sometimes I walk around and wonder how anyone keeps their head up. Just exactly what you said, this is too freaking incredible. God ain't it ever.

[buzzsaw_23]

8. Dig into Joe Allbaughs past and present

New Orleans adds a new chapter to the Bush digest of calculated bigotry. While the wealthy white families were able to beat a hasty retreat out of doomed city, the poor and black were left to sink in the toxic stew unleashed by America's greatest natural disaster. 

[WiseButAngrySara]

17. Allbaugh is the one who hired Brownie, his former roomate? And he left

FEMA to become a PAC for Halliburton? Like Iraq, Halliburton was the first to profit in NOLA. Intentional. I hate to think of it. But I hated to think of B* selected by SCOTUS, elected by Diebold, and leading us into war based on lies. I hated this, but all of these facts are true. I think they are as true for NOLA. I have thought this for about 2 weekks now.

[buzzsaw_23]

21. It gets really messy

and much worse.


For anyone who wants to understand Katrina and the aftermath and the corruption and how this country REALLY functions read THIS ARTICLE. follow the numerous links and you will know how deeply intertwined all these gangsters are. This cannot be voted away.

Corporations of the Whirlwind
The Reconstruction of New Oraq
By Tom Engelhardt and Nick Turse

<snip>

But let's pull back for a moment and try to reconstruct, however briefly, at least a modest picture of the massively interconnected world of the reconstructors. A good place to start is with George Bush's pal Joseph Allbaugh, a member of his "so-called iron triangle of trusted Texas cohorts." Allbaugh seems to display in his recent biography just about every linkage that makes New Oraq what it is clearly becoming. He ran the Bush presidential campaign of 2000; and subsequently was installed as the director of FEMA which, in congressional testimony, he characterized as "an overstuffed entitlement program," counseling (as Harold Meyerson of the American Prospect pointed out recently) "states and cities to rely instead on ‘faith-based organizations... like the Salvation Army and the Mennonite Disaster Service."

As at the Coalition Provisional Authority in Baghdad, so at FEMA in Washington, the larder of administrators would soon be stocked with second and third-rate Bush supporters and cronies. Five of FEMA's top eight managers would, according to Spencer S. Hsu of the Washington Post, arrive with "virtually no experience in handling disasters," three of them "with ties to President Bush's 2000 campaign or to the White House advance operation." A "brain drain" of competent administrators followed as -- à la the Pentagon -- FEMA's focus turned to the war on terror, money was drained from natural-disaster work, and the agency was "privatized" with previously crucial activities outsourced to Bush-friendly corporations.

<snip>

In March 2003, Allbaugh departed FEMA, putting the increasingly starved and down-sized operation in the hands of Michael Brown, an old college buddy whose previous job had been overseeing the International Arabian Horse Association. He then made his faith-based career choice -- no, not to join the Salvation Army or the Mennonite Disaster Service. Instead he opted for what the Bush administration really believed in -- both in Iraq and at home. He became a high-priced consultant/lobbyist, founding in the ensuing years three consulting firms. At Blackwell Fairbanks, LLC, he teamed up with Andrew Lundquist, who led the Dick Cheney task force that produced the administration's National Energy Policy, to "successfully represen clients before the executive and legislative branches of the United States government." Then there was the Allbaugh Company through which he represents Halliburton's KBR as well as military-industrial powerhouse Northrop Grumman. Finally, there was New Bridge Strategies, LLC, where he serves as chairman and director. New Bridge Strategies bills itself as "a unique company that was created specifically with the aim of assisting clients to evaluate and take advantage of business opportunities in the Middle East following the conclusion of the U.S.-led war in Iraq."

<snip>

As President and CEO at Allbaugh Co. and assumedly as a former head of FEMA, not to say as close friend and mentor to FEMA's (now departed) head and as a Presidential pal, he found himself at the front of the Katrina disaster line, apparently pushing hard (although he denied it) for such companies as -- you guessed it -- KBR and the Shaw Group. By September 7 at the latest, unlike the administration, he was down in Louisiana surveying the damage in the Gulf Coast and the wreckage of the agency he once presided over, while directing his clients to the lucrative world of American disaster, now that the lucrative world of Iraqi disaster had been sucked reasonably dry.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/index.mhtml?pid=21843

[WiseButAngrySara]

29. Really messy, criminal and depressing. I am ill because of these

evil people. The thought that they could do this for profit above and beyond human lives just astounds me. Has this been posted separately? Maybe it deserves its own thread. When Allbaugh was first appointed FEMA director, his very remarks lead me to believe that this recent F..up in NOLA was intentional. And then taking into account his obvious interest in Halliburton...it makes me ill.

Kicking and recommending for this post and for the original. Thanks. (I usually don't thank people for depressing me and making me ill!)

[buzzsaw_23]

33. The dirty truth can be upsetting

Makes me look to the skies each day.

Hoping to post a seperate thread on the numerous connections and corruptions linked from this story and others. I've been digging into this since last week and it is revealing in a disturbing way. Hope to post it on Sunday night.

Shining the light on the vampires. Does it do any good? Sometimes I wonder. But we don't need hope to fight. We must.


On Edit: It's ALL conspiracy ALL the time. Too few want to admit or face this. The conspiracy mostly goes by the name 'ORGANIZED GREED' IMHO.

[WiseButAngrySara]

35. I hope you do post it! I used to love the pursuit of truth...not with the

BFEE. (And I've never hated anyone in office before.) I'll be looking for it around Sunday. DU GD has been moving so fast, but even if I miss it, it'll probably make it to the greatest page.

Maybe you will have an answer to this question that I was thinking about posting on. Can we find out all of the stockholders of Halliburton and the other war profiteering companies that might give us some clues as to why these important issues are ignored for the most part by the MSM? I mean Congress members, judges, reporters, etc. Self interest might pay a huge part in not revealing some of this stuff. Conflict of interest though, IMO. Anyway to find out?

[Beam Me Up]

43. Please let me know when you post your piece. I wouldn't want to miss it!

I'm sorry they've moved this to the 9/11 forum. Admins do this and I, for one, sometimes find it quite disturbing. Be careful in your Sunday post. You are right, it is 'organized greed'. It is an organized criminal syndicate. They are ruthless mother fuckers and they are in control of much of our federal government.

[kitkat65]

9. All the better to give the military power to enforce laws, my dear. n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

10. The sufferings of the people of New Orleans seemed more and

more like calculated cruelty every day.

We can count ourselves lucky that we live in an age of long-distance communication, because the suffering was so immense and overwhelming that it forced the TV reporters out of their carefully instilled Bush worshipping mode.

Imagine if something like this had happened before the age of mass communications. Thousands could have suffered and died, and we wouldn't have known about it except through vague rumors.

[MissWaverly]

14. Yes, like Bushco saying there was food at Superdome

it was supposedly stored there, where????

[pretzel4gore]

18. do not credit bushinc with anything

they're the cheapest kind of thieves and murdering rapo types, but they never brilliantly pulled off anything...like stalin said about loosing a million men in the war 'men are like weeds, no matter how many are killed, there's more then enough to replace them' (paraphrase) now stalin was just being hard nosed in regards to massive losses but he worried more about lost machinery, which was costly to replace, but even then the soviet union would just have to replace it, or else!.....bushinc is like that, with a slapstick quality to their situation, and a blackmailed media to 'hush' any bad news while trumpeting the good....if stalin was alive, he'd be usa president in a few months (he'd quietly get rid of the bush sissies and turn the mediawhores)
the usa is as stupid a country as any on earth, in history....robbing it of everything is taking candy from a baby, and anyone can do that if in position

[barbaraann]

19. I've been thinking FUBAROP.

n/t

[WiseButAngrySara]

22. Know its not funny! but I laughed. F..ed up beyond all reconition On

Purpose?

[barbaraann]

24. Yup.

They just seem determined to thrust the world into violent, unspeakable, irreparable chaos.

[bunny planet]

23. I'm afraid I'm starting to agree with you there Atman. Today there were

stories about FEMA driving ice trucks all over the country for no known reason, just blatant beurocratic f*ckups. The kind of incompetence we are seeing over and over seems very deliberate, and it's motives very shady.

[WiseButAngrySara]

25. Read post # 21...Allbaugh Brown Halliburton connection. You'll be so

convinced, it'll make you ill.

[bunny planet]

36. yes, I know about this already. They don't know how to do anything that

isn't crooked, that's for sure. They are just so blatant about it, they just don't seem to care who connects the dots anymore, that's what's truly frightening, like they know no one is going to be able to do a thing to stop them, so why even try to hide it.

[WiseButAngrySara]

38. It is frightening. Or they think that most of the US is too stupid to

know or to care!

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Welcoem to the club this was not

incomptetence, they let it happen

[leftofthedial]

27. Katrina, definitely LIHOP

they made it as bad as they could (and still are)

but now they have military control on the ground, so they'll get away with it.

9-11 was MIHOP though.

[kestrel91316]

28. I have been hollering about Grover Norquist and the

"drown it in a bathtub" statement since Tuesday right after the hurricane. it was OBVIOUS to me that they had emasculated FEMA and were only pretending to respond, and they want to generate ill will against the government so people will say FEMA is useless and kill it altogether. It's sabotage of the very PURPOSE of government, IMHO.

Why do we let the people who don't believe in government run the government? Are we all completely insane????

[WiseButAngrySara]

32. Kick and recommended to five votes! Too freaking incredible is right!

Read the article in #21 about Allbaugh...it's horrifically revealing.

[snot]

34. Conscious vs. unconscious--

If our gov't gave a damn, there's no way the level of "incompetence" w.r.t. Katrina would occur.

What they take care of shows what they really care about. Folks need to STOP reading * Admin lips, and START reading their results. They care about power, money, rich people, the Iraq oil ministry, etc. They don't give a damn about poor people or even the middle class, civil rights, culture, history, truth, etc.

The majority of white folks don't think the gov's inaction following Katrina reflected racism--most folks no longer CONSCIOUSLY, INTENTIONALLY discriminate, and they're uncomfortable attributing conscious, intentional racism to their gov. But that doesn't mean unconscious racism doesn't occur.

Cf. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=106&topic_id=22805&mesg_id=23644 : Oil Workers in NOLA Get New Homes FAST.

[FogerRox]

39. this map shows the premeditation

[gumby]

41. can't find this

maybe my typing was incorrect, but the "Source" didn't work for me.

[snot]

45. Hold it, I think that one's been debunked?--see:

//www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4695649

[oblivious]

40. Tried to recommend, but not allowed. Why has it been put in this forum???

[gumby]

42. This is where the "Crazy Aunts in the Attic"

reside. Or basement, or whatever. Hell, Ross Perot ran for President, didn't he? He got a lot of votes too.

[I Have A Dream]

44. Yeah, wonder why we can't recommend threads in this forum?

:shrug:

[Nothing Without Hope]

48. There is a lot of censorship at DU. Threads get locked or "disappeared"

if they cross over invisible lines. "Conspiracy theory" is a very broadly applied term at DU, it seems to me. Overall, the site is a great and important resource, but it has some flaws and blind spots. This is one of them.

The 9/11 Forum is in a walled ghetto so that the neighbors won't be embarrassed by all the kooks like you and me who believe it was an inside job.

It's INTENSELY frustrating, and also a grave disservice to people who would change their minds if they only know some of the suppressed facts.

[Loge23]

50. agreed - all censorship is bad

At first I thought one of my posts disappeared due to a glitch. Apparently, this is a standard practice here. Wish I had known before I contributed.

[Name removed]

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[JackieO]

49. it's bullshit

this message board has some serious censorship issues

[Nothing Without Hope]

47. I agree. PLUS it's a power grab for POTUS and Pentagon via a push for

martial law. Read through this entire thread, including the replies, and you'll get the picture. It's one of the primary motivations for the DELIBERATE murder of who knows how many thousands of people. (Along with others, like the ones you name.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4790112
Thread title: Missing A KEY POINT in *'s speech: POWER GRAB FOR POTUS AND MILITARY

[global1]

51. Do You Think That They Have A "Think Tank" Group That.......

looks at potential disasters (like NO flooding, San Fran quake, etc) and projects ways that they can take advantage of the situation. This allows them to put a plan down that says something like the following:

If a Cat 4 or 5 hurricane hits NO, we know that it could flood, if it floods the bulk of the city will be destroyed. Here's how we could make the best of this bad situation. And they write out a plan with this ulterior motive in mind. What laws they could rescind or table. What companies they could send in to reap benefits. etc.

This is material for a - James Bond Movie.

[Tuesday_Morning]

53. I don't have the links...

... but I have this list of article headlines:

FEMA won't accept Amtrak's help in evacuations

FEMA turns away experienced firefighters

FEMA turns back Wal-Mart supply trucks

FEMA prevents Coast Guard from delivering diesel fuel

FEMA won't let Red Cross deliver food

FEMA bars morticians from entering New Orleans

FEMA blocks 500-boat citizen flotilla from delivering aid

FEMA fails to utilize Navy ship with 600-bed hospital on board

FEMA to Chicago: Send just one truck

FEMA turns away generators

FEMA: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond"