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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 05:31 PM Original message |
Can a jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? An experiment. |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
1. keep adding |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
2. Can a non-jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse a steel structure? Reality. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. The WTC was not a "lightweight steel bar joist building" |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 02:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Was it a chicken wire building? ( n/t ) |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
24. Of course not-- all the more reason why it would resist collapse. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 03:40 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. So your original objection, to my posted real world examples,... |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. the construction method was different. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 10:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Spooked's experiments DID test the strength of vertical columns in a fire. |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 10:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. LOL! ( n/t ) |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 10:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
55. Let me see if I understand this. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 09:27 AM Response to Reply #55 |
70. Do you think heat will affect vertical and horizontal steel |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 10:21 AM Response to Reply #70 |
73. If it is the same type of steel and is raised to the same temperature... |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 10:59 AM Response to Reply #4 |
16. McCormick Place officially opened in 1960. The fire was in 1967. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. I can't find the link right now, but someone on this board had a post |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 02:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. L'Enfant Plaza |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 03:10 AM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Do they have exhibits in convention centers still under construction? |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 03:48 AM Response to Reply #2 |
34. Steel |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 03:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
35. Can a non-jet fuel/hydrocarbon fire collapse |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
3. Well, I"M convinced... |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:41 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. I assume you can show us how the fires caused the collapse then? |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-05-05 10:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. No, obviously you can't either... |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 12:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. "an aluminum can and some kerosene" |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 01:21 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. You don't think a hi-rise building is a little more complex than some |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 02:40 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. You don't think a hi-rise building is a little more complex |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 03:17 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Then go ahead and calculate it... |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 01:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. I'm asking YOU or LARED or someone who supports the official story |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 10:22 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. I'm not accusing you of manipulating the results. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-05-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
110. Had spooked's cage failed, we could have criticized his study |
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Totallybushed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-05-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #18 |
107. Actually, it is. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #11 |
259. There's no point in calculating it. The model is too crude |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Thank you, exactly my point. |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 05:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. The behavior of steel under load in a fire |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
30. I have checked out what NIST "thinks" |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 09:28 AM Response to Reply #30 |
71. Exactly!!! |
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WoodrowFan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 06:13 AM Response to Original message |
13. I'm just surprised |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 06:42 AM Response to Original message |
14. If you want to improve your model |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 01:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. How about YOU try it, since you believe the official story? |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 02:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Because |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. where is their model of the collapse, please? |
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LARED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 08:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. Good Lord man, it's here |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 09:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. No, I don't want that. I want their model of how fire |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 09:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
72. Where is the detailed NIST model of the collapse? |
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Sinti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-26-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #72 |
99. Actually, the NIST is still trying to duplicate what happened on 9/11 |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 11:50 AM Response to Reply #99 |
121. According to Kevin Ryan, |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 06:07 AM Response to Reply #121 |
145. NIST's fudged models |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 11:34 AM Response to Reply #145 |
154. Every single lightweight web truss could have failed |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 11:09 PM Response to Reply #154 |
181. Are you sure about these beams? |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:07 AM Response to Reply #181 |
187. Yes. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:38 AM Response to Reply #187 |
216. Link, please. n/t |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:45 AM Response to Reply #216 |
217. File an FOIA request. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:04 AM Response to Reply #217 |
219. So, you can point out these beams even though you have never seen any |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:10 AM Response to Reply #219 |
220. Yes. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:30 AM Response to Reply #220 |
221. And your evidence that they existed is????? |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:46 AM Response to Reply #221 |
222. Find a framing plan and I'll explain it to you. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:50 AM Response to Reply #222 |
223. Can't answer the question, I see. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:53 AM Response to Reply #223 |
224. I believe I've answered it four times. Good night. (n/t) |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:54 AM Response to Reply #224 |
225. No, you haven't even answered it once. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 05:41 AM Response to Reply #181 |
226. It seems apparent that she can't. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 09:46 AM Response to Reply #226 |
227. I can lead a horse to water, but I can't make it think. (n/t) |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 02:53 AM Response to Reply #227 |
239. Lol. Talk about non-sequiturs.... |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 02:54 AM Response to Reply #227 |
240. I prefer the Dorothy Parker version |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 03:01 AM Response to Reply #240 |
242. Oh, and you think that's clever, I'll bet. |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 03:07 AM Response to Reply #242 |
244. Why is it when I post to you it's a "weird fixation" |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 03:13 AM Response to Reply #244 |
245. I've never made any "personal attacks" on you |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #245 |
282. So what was on all those deleted posts? |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 03:50 AM Response to Reply #244 |
246. And |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 04:17 AM Response to Reply #246 |
247. Stop stalking me |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 04:31 AM Response to Reply #247 |
248. Deleted message |
Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 04:43 AM Response to Reply #247 |
250. delete dupe. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 09:10 AM Response to Reply #247 |
255. Deleted message |
Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:19 AM Response to Reply #255 |
261. Sing....sing a song... |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #255 |
268. Buddy, Rewind and replay "Bush supporters" "neocons" "paid shills" ... |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 10:05 AM Response to Reply #268 |
281. Funny , I didn't see him say ANY of those words. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 04:36 AM Response to Reply #227 |
249. Do no truss conspiracy sites about trusses. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:14 AM Response to Reply #249 |
251. Trusses and beams. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-12-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #249 |
292. You should try reading the NIST report . |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 04:10 AM Response to Reply #292 |
295. Any evidence for these joist girders? |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 05:16 AM Response to Reply #295 |
296. I said you should read it, not believe it. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 04:38 PM Response to Reply #296 |
302. Where did you hear about these mystery girders? |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 06:07 PM Response to Reply #302 |
303. What tipped me off |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #145 |
160. Welcome to DU! Please provide links to support your assertions. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 10:42 PM Response to Reply #160 |
180. Here is some support... |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 02:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
40. No, a realistic similulation would have the fencing at about 0.7" high, |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Actually, no. |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 09:56 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. It would also have 60 columns per side instead of 20. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 10:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Absolute B.S. |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 10:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Tell it to the engineers |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 10:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Yes, but engineers scale their experiments to real buildings... |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 10:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Let's start with the width-height ratio. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 11:49 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. You're kidding, right? |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Evidently you haven't been paying attention. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 12:28 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Evidently, your criteria are much more lenient than mine... |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 12:56 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Already covered, but here's a make-up session: |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 01:02 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Actually, it's not been "covered". |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 01:09 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. If you want to believe Home Depot uses better steel |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 01:46 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. You're still choosing not to answer my questions. |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 04:47 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Asking an obvious question repeatedly |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-09-05 01:42 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. Pretty much what I expected. |
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Macadian (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-05-06 03:57 PM Response to Reply #76 |
109. A valiant attempt MercutioATC.... |
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Martensitic Madness (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 12:38 PM Response to Reply #109 |
157. Consider this |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 12:58 PM Response to Reply #157 |
159. Your premise that the bolts failed is of the Zipper-Pancake epoch |
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Macadian (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 01:31 PM Response to Reply #159 |
162. So you're going to stick with... |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 02:41 PM Response to Reply #162 |
166. Hey Mac, one PhD says the flimsy truss clips unzipped, the |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 10:27 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Perhaps you should read up on wind tunnel testing. |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 10:41 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Thanks for the suggestion. n/t |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 11:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. You are welcome. |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 06:52 AM Response to Reply #54 |
68. A simple example for structural scaling. |
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atomic-fly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
15. While this model is not an acurate representation.. |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
20. Interesting experiment. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #20 |
31. An issue NIST (I think I remember this) raises is that differential heat |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-06-05 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
26. Experimental confirmation of what I've long suspected: |
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thewormman (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 05:24 AM Response to Original message |
36. Good try, but... |
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thewormman (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 05:26 AM Response to Original message |
37. Good try, but... |
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Frederik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
38. You should see the National Geographic documentary |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. That's show biz. |
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Frederik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 03:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Oh please |
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pox americana (622 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 07:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. I think I'd be equally critical of both |
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Frederik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
74. The documentary |
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StrafingMoose (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
75. Logically, I'd want to get... |
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Macadian (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-05-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
108. When did spooked get into the engineering business??? |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-05-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #108 |
111. A valid point, but we should hold History and National Geographic |
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Macadian (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 07:57 AM Response to Reply #111 |
117. Well, yes & no.... |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 11:53 AM Response to Reply #117 |
122. "Spooked has not met even the low standards" |
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Macadian (156 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #122 |
130. Backyard science is fine and dandy.... |
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Bouvet_Island (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 08:09 PM Response to Original message |
44. the problem |
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philb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-07-05 11:01 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. The analyis he posted on another thead is more convincing to me |
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kevinam (475 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 12:06 AM Response to Original message |
59. couple of questions about your experiment... |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 12:32 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. None of that matters. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-08-05 09:26 AM Response to Reply #59 |
69. Good points. But one by one-- |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-05 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
77. Third expt with a similar set-up: |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-05 05:03 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Bravo, Spooked. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-05 05:49 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Thanks! I've thought about doing what you say, actually, but haven't had |
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Make7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-05 05:34 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. This proves it then. |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-05 05:52 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Sorry, I didn't write that up properly. The fire was strong for about |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-05 09:19 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Jesus! Why not try modeling your "experiment" after the actual buildings? |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 09:15 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. You're more than welcome to do your own experiment |
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mike923 (325 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #84 |
120. No need, i'm conviced. |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Oct-12-05 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
83. Couple of points |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. It's NOT chicken wire, it is garden fencing meant to keep out rabbits. And |
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AZCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-13-05 09:38 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. I think it's the unsupported length of the column... |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-24-06 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
87. Kick |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 12:09 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I never saw this before. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 12:24 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Bunnies |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 12:37 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Sources tell me that spooked is a scientist. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 12:42 AM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Sources tell me |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 12:50 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. How do we prove that we're friendly to the honest ones? nt |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 12:54 AM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Same as always, by words and actions. n/t |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 12:58 AM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Take care of your goodness. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 01:01 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Always. |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 07:28 PM Response to Reply #94 |
176. That ought to be easy |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:18 AM Response to Reply #176 |
184. Ohhhhh, you so totally dissed me! |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 10:57 AM Response to Reply #90 |
97. If you would bother to look at spooked's blog and take a |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-29-06 10:17 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. Thanks for your input. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Ah, there's those prize-winning emoticons again. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-25-06 03:15 PM Response to Reply #89 |
98. Sorry, you lose. My emoticons are bigger than yours. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-29-06 10:21 PM Response to Reply #98 |
103. Thanks again x2 for your input. |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 08:28 PM Response to Reply #98 |
178. OMG, bwahaha. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:17 AM Response to Reply #178 |
183. Thanks for your observation. |
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Jeroen (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-28-06 10:03 AM Response to Original message |
100. Suggestion for 2 new experiments: WTC 7 |
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bobby911 (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-29-06 06:03 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. yep...scaling is the problem |
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lcwilson (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-05-06 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
104. WTC test |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-05-06 12:44 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Welcome to DU! :) nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-05-06 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
106. Deleted message |
petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-05-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #106 |
112. Welcome to DU ryams! |
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ryams27 (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 08:43 AM Response to Reply #112 |
118. Thanks... |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #118 |
123. That's circular reasoning. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #123 |
128. Psst, they've been banned. Thanks for rolling out the red carpet |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. That wasn't just a RW troll! That was Jonah his own self! |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 01:13 PM Response to Reply #132 |
134. You might be correct, but I'm not convinced. ;) |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-05-06 10:20 PM Response to Reply #106 |
113. Lookee here... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 05:33 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Nice job. :) |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 08:45 AM Response to Reply #113 |
119. Deleted message |
NoiseLTD (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
115. Please tell me you're joking. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 07:20 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Welcome to DU, however |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #116 |
124. Do you have any specific criticisms, or any constructive |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 12:17 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. You said "spooked's experiment proves nothing". |
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NoiseLTD (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #124 |
127. See Fair Enough... |
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NoiseLTD (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 12:18 PM Response to Reply #116 |
126. Fair enough... |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 12:37 PM Response to Reply #126 |
129. Yep, I pretty much agree with all of that. |
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NoiseLTD (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #129 |
131. links? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 01:07 PM Response to Reply #131 |
133. Here ya go: |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 02:38 PM Response to Reply #126 |
135. "You have someone positing a conspiracy based on..." |
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BrokenBeyondRepair (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 03:19 PM Response to Reply #135 |
136. well said amigo |
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enough already (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
137. This confirms what I've suspected all along |
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Codeine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. This confirms nothing |
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BuddyYoung (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 05:04 PM Response to Reply #138 |
139. Yes, far too many DUers waste time because of so much... |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 05:18 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. Don't you know any other tunes, Buddy? |
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BuddyYoung (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 07:16 PM Response to Reply #140 |
143. C'mon boloboffin, that one's getting old. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 10:09 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. You're telling me. |
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BuddyYoung (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 09:49 AM Response to Reply #144 |
149. I've already told you, and so have plenty of other people. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #149 |
153. You do know two songs! |
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BuddyYoung (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #153 |
158. Three: You forgot about "I Can See Thru OCT'er BS Clearly Now". |
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carlvs (165 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 10:18 AM Response to Reply #144 |
150. They don't need a songbook, |
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grytpype (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
141. :rofl: |
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The Night Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-06-06 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
142. Great work! Now try a scientific experiment. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
146. wtf? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #146 |
148. Consider it a joke at your own risk |
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sighkobabl (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #146 |
171. Serious Stuff! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
147. I'm glad the bunny got away |
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joshbetts (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
151. Structural engineering |
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BrokenBeyondRepair (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 12:21 PM Response to Reply #151 |
156. what's your take on the molten steel/iron dripping out the.. |
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joshbetts (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 01:23 PM Response to Reply #156 |
161. what's your take on the molten steel/iron dripping out the.. |
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BrokenBeyondRepair (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 01:42 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. serious? |
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joshbetts (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 02:14 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. serious? |
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BrokenBeyondRepair (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 02:59 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. the laws of physic aren't up for debate |
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joshbetts (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 03:13 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. BrokenBeyondRepair, |
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BrokenBeyondRepair (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 03:31 PM Response to Reply #168 |
169. obviously, there is reasonable doubt |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 07:10 PM Response to Reply #164 |
174. It is disingenuous to require proof of a proposition when you |
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joshlbetts (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:31 PM Response to Reply #174 |
234. I'm not being disingenuous. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 11:47 PM Response to Reply #234 |
236. Which link contains structural drawings for the WTC? |
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joshlbetts (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:15 AM Response to Reply #236 |
260. dailykoff, Here are some copies of the actual drawings and calculations. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 12:44 AM Response to Reply #260 |
276. Thanks, that's helpful. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 06:53 PM Response to Reply #163 |
172. The burning drips look a lot like burning molten plastic. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 07:07 PM Response to Reply #172 |
173. It appears to be giving off light. In my experience burning |
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BrokenBeyondRepair (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 08:05 PM Response to Reply #172 |
177. this is the only image of melting plastic i could.. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 10:05 PM Response to Reply #177 |
179. Just put a plastic bag on a stick and stick over a small fire. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:30 AM Response to Reply #179 |
191. Sounds like an easily-tested hypothesis. Please provide |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 07:25 AM Response to Reply #191 |
253. I hate to break this to you, but pictures on the internet is not science. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #253 |
257. It proves my point. The material in the firefall at WTC2 was incandescent |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 02:45 PM Response to Reply #257 |
269. sorry, I don't think you don't understand what you're seeing. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #269 |
270. I understand what I'm seeing just fine. Maybe my diction is off. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:27 AM Response to Reply #177 |
189. "can never be proven beyond doubt" |
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BrokenBeyondRepair (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:40 AM Response to Reply #189 |
194. there will always be those that doubt or.. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:46 AM Response to Reply #194 |
197. It looks like molten steel to me, and no alternate explanation |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:51 AM Response to Reply #197 |
200. Then take your own suggestion. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:03 AM Response to Reply #200 |
204. I don't need to. I already have, I've melted plastic, steel, and |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:09 AM Response to Reply #204 |
209. So post your images as you've asked others to. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:55 AM Response to Reply #204 |
218. Oh, and that reminds me.... epistemology |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:50 AM Response to Reply #189 |
198. Melt steel, melt aluminum, melt plastic, pour them off a fifty foot drop.. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:52 AM Response to Reply #198 |
201. The ball's in your court. Everyone knows plastic make flames, |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:58 AM Response to Reply #201 |
203. No, it isn't. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:05 AM Response to Reply #203 |
205. So take my suggestion. Let's build a bad model that endures, |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:08 AM Response to Reply #205 |
208. According to your suggestion (which you've now changed), it is so |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:19 PM Response to Reply #208 |
231. Sorry, I got this experiment mixed up with another one I |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-12-06 01:59 AM Response to Reply #231 |
291. "I'd had a few bottles of wine." |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 02:38 AM Response to Reply #231 |
294. Have you recovered sufficiently from those "few bottles of wine" yet to |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 11:03 AM Response to Reply #294 |
300. Nope, nor have a got photos showing rain is wet and sun is dry. nt |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 09:48 PM Response to Reply #300 |
307. I'm not surprised that you haven't backed up what you said. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:29 AM Response to Reply #172 |
185. Couldn't it be aluminum from the airplane that was burnt up inside the |
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BrokenBeyondRepair (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:29 AM Response to Reply #185 |
190. unlikely.. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:45 AM Response to Reply #190 |
196. That's not convincing. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:50 AM Response to Reply #196 |
199. Aluminium melts at 600 degrees, at which point it is silvery, |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:57 AM Response to Reply #199 |
202. Sorry, but I'm not convinced by your say so that it could not have |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:07 AM Response to Reply #202 |
206. Pffft. nt |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:11 AM Response to Reply #206 |
210. I didn't expect you to be able to respond meaningfully. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:12 AM Response to Reply #210 |
212. Pfft. |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:16 AM Response to Reply #212 |
213. Pfft is right! |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:31 AM Response to Reply #212 |
215. Oh, an edit which I should respond to, I see. |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 02:41 AM Response to Reply #199 |
238. Pearls at Swine, PG...nt |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 02:56 AM Response to Reply #238 |
241. LOL. |
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capt havermeyer (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 11:17 AM Response to Original message |
152. This is pretty funny |
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TheRealSwede (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 12:05 PM Response to Reply #152 |
155. Science Experiment |
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JudgeSmails (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
165. Fantastic |
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what the (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
170. Test Explosive Demolition Hypothesis |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 07:11 PM Response to Reply #170 |
175. Now that's funny! Let's try the thermate hypothesis instead, ok? nt |
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what the (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 04:25 PM Response to Reply #175 |
287. Blacksmith's forge |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 01:30 AM Response to Reply #287 |
293. Charcoal forges have forced air. They also have.... charcoal. |
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what the (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-14-06 08:31 PM Response to Reply #293 |
309. Heat conduction etc. |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 12:46 AM Response to Reply #309 |
310. You stole those words from my mouth... |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:39 AM Response to Reply #170 |
186. LOL ~ good one! |
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allfathersgodi (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-07-06 11:19 PM Response to Original message |
182. You guys are nuts |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:22 AM Response to Original message |
188. Sorry, doesn't prove a thing either way. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:35 AM Response to Reply #188 |
192. Ahhhh, you're getting to the synthesis. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:38 AM Response to Reply #192 |
193. Not just any model |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:43 AM Response to Reply #193 |
195. Not necessarily. Building bad models can be helpful to |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:08 AM Response to Reply #195 |
207. What's a good model, how do you know it's good? |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:11 AM Response to Reply #207 |
211. "I doubt that any of us has the means" |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:31 AM Response to Reply #211 |
214. We can't go on unverifiable information |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 02:27 PM Response to Reply #214 |
232. We don't have the means to model it accurately. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 02:29 AM Response to Reply #232 |
237. it'd not be a known error because we have no reference, |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #237 |
258. I didn't mean a "known error" as in a "measured" or |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:24 PM Response to Reply #258 |
271. np. However, |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #271 |
299. We can't know how large the error is until we experiment and |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 01:52 AM Response to Reply #299 |
311. Fine procedure for challenging the Titanic hoax. |
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BuddyYoung (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #311 |
312. New kid in town, posting like the old OCT'ers in town. Imagine that! |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-15-06 10:50 AM Response to Reply #312 |
313. Glass houses, Mr. June 26th. n/t |
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BuddyYoung (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 09:20 PM Response to Reply #313 |
315. See post #314 |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 08:28 PM Response to Reply #312 |
314. You know... |
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Carefulplease (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:38 PM Response to Reply #195 |
229. The press might be interested... |
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allfathersgodi (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
228. The Stupidity of the Left |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 01:04 PM Response to Reply #228 |
230. Good point, but I'd like to think some Democrats and |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 03:02 AM Response to Reply #228 |
243. Actually quite a few GOP have come out |
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omenapoint (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
233. is this a joke? |
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demfool (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-08-06 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
235. You are an idiot |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:27 AM Response to Reply #235 |
264. See how easy it is |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:27 PM Response to Reply #264 |
272. And who would suspect that anyone with a screen name |
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BuddyYoung (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:36 PM Response to Reply #272 |
273. Surely, just another one of those totally unexpected COINCIDENCES. nt |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:44 PM Response to Reply #272 |
274. Are you saying that |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:50 PM Response to Reply #274 |
275. Incredible and unprecedented as it may seem, |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 10:09 AM Response to Reply #275 |
283. I'm shocked.nt |
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Stella_Artois (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 06:53 AM Response to Original message |
252. You are famous |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 08:54 AM Response to Reply #252 |
254. So I'e heard. Although I'm not really clear why what I did is so |
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DrDebug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:21 AM Response to Reply #254 |
262. Those people don't talk for all of us |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:28 AM Response to Reply #254 |
265. I agree. |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:29 AM Response to Reply #254 |
266. What is the saying |
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spooked911 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:39 AM Response to Reply #266 |
267. what's funny to me is how they point to this experiment |
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emMingo (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 09:30 AM Response to Reply #267 |
277. Because those of us living in NYC |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #277 |
279. uh-huh, sure you did. |
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BuddyYoung (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 09:50 AM Response to Reply #267 |
278. Different reasons, depending on where one is coming from |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #267 |
280. They NEVER post on the threads |
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BuddyYoung (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #280 |
285. I hadn't noticed that, but you are certainly right. A jazz bump, then |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-11-06 02:30 AM Response to Reply #280 |
289. Lol ~ that must be it. |
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Bolo Boffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 11:48 AM Response to Reply #267 |
284. Once they saw these pictures, there was no need to look for |
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Jazz2006 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-11-06 02:25 AM Response to Reply #267 |
288. It's could be the footwear. |
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Generarth (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-14-06 08:25 AM Response to Reply #254 |
308. I think you did it with the full knowledge of the results |
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mirandapriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 11:23 AM Response to Reply #252 |
263. Those who say that about DU are going to say it anyway |
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Stella_Artois (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-10-06 03:03 PM Response to Reply #263 |
286. Who knows |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 10:53 AM Response to Reply #286 |
298. Spooked is not claiming the rabbit cage experiment |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-09-06 09:15 AM Response to Original message |
256. Deleted message |
Freedom_Aflaim (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-11-06 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
290. LMAO...Can you say "not to scale" |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #290 |
297. Not to scale is right. |
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boolean (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #297 |
301. How?! |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 06:31 PM Response to Reply #301 |
304. Welcome to DU, Boolean |
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boolean (992 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 07:26 PM Response to Reply #304 |
305. Now it's my turn |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-13-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #305 |
306. Ok |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 09:23 PM Response to Original message |
316. You REALLY need to find a different hobby. Just friendly advice. |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-16-06 09:32 PM Response to Original message |
317. Locking |
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