I Heard twice on TV today that 9-11 was an inside job

[oxbow]

Once on Cartoon Network, in the promo for the new Boondocks animated series.

And Once on Fox News, in a soundbyte from Louis Farrakhan.

Is there something in the air? With the neo-cons running full damge control right now, the timing would certainly be fortuitious for us to start pushing for some truth about 9/11. And the public is fed up enough with these jerks that they might even believe us when we say there's a lot that they're hiding about those events. Anybody else feel that in the air?

I'm thinking about canvassing at my university next week. I have a wad of those 9-11 dollar bills on me, and I think I'm gonna go put them on some cars come Monday. The time is ripe, and I haven't forgotten by any means what those assholes pulled over on this country.

So anybody else wanna refocus on 9-11 with me? Now is as good a time as its ever been.

[petgoat]

1. Next year will be the 5-year anniversary; if we draw attention

to it, maybe we can inspire the media to run 5-year retrospectives.

What's coming up quick is 11/7/05, the five year anniversary of the day
Sandy Berger went to the Pentagon and asked for commando raids against
the al Qaeda camps. He was opposed by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs
and by the Defense Secretary.

[MrSammo1]

2. Could be something in the air?

"'9/11'" Facing Our Fascist State

By Don Paul

The Buildings and Their Victims, Part 2 A Good Investment … A Powerful Proof Statement

We want to show in September 2002 just how far we've come…. We want to have a powerful proof statement in September 2002.

Anne Tatlock, Chief Executive Officer, Fiduciary Trust, San Francisco Business Times, 2/1/02

Larry Silverstein made a sweet deal for himself prior to the fall of the Twin Towers and WTC 7. Of the promised $3.2 billion for the 99-year lease that was estimated to be worth $8 billion, Larry Silverstein committed only $15 million of his Properties' money - that is, less than half of .01 % of the total financing.

He and his partners (mall-builder Westfield America and a group headed by Lloyd Goldman) immediately took out insurance polices worth more than $3.2 billion for their dream-come-true new holding.

On November 5, 2001 the Real Estate Journal reported on the progress that Larry Silverstein, Lloyd Goldman, and their partners had made toward rebuilding on the Twin Towers' site. The REJ article stated that Silverstein had the support of New York senators Charles Schumer and Hillary Clinton (Larry Silverstein had hosted parties for both politicians on his yacht the Silver Shalis) as well as Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott ,and House Speaker Dennis Hastert. REJ reported that the mogul had hired Brad Card, brother of White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card, to "work" politicians in New York. He was lobbying for caps on liability from the WTC carnage and pursuing lawsuits against insurers. He talked of building four 50-story buildings and a memorial on the site.

The 11/5/01 REJ article concluded: "It also may end up being a good investment. In the end, Mr. Silverstein may wind up controlling
11 million square feet of attractive, lower-rise modem space instead of 11 million square feet of 30-year-old space in New York's tallest and most conspicuous buildings.

"'It should prove to justify the time, energy and the psychic impact of what we've been through,' Mr. Silverstein says."

In February 2002 Silverstein Properties won $861 million from Industrial Risk Insurers to rebuild on the site of WTC Building 7.

Regarding the Twin Towers, Larry Silverstein and his partners are locked in lawsuits with Swiss Reinsurance, the Towers' main insurer, over whether the 9/11 attacks were one "occurrence" or two. The lease-holders would receive $3.55 billion as a settlement if the attacks are considered one occurrence. They would receive $7.1 billion - that is, more than twice their investment, an investment that was itself only 20% paid for
(and in the case of Silverstein Properties less than half of .01 % paid for) if the attacks are determined to be two occurrences.

Whatever the result of the dispute with Swiss Reinsurance, Silverstein Properties will receive billions in insurance moneys and possibly more in state and federal funds to rebuild on the WTC site.

At the time of their collapse the Twin Towers and WTC 7 needed extensive work to stay competitive as office-space in Manhattan. As early as 1993 - the year of the basement-garage bombing by '"Muslim terrorists"' that the FBI had anticipated from at least 1985 onward - the WTC "was already passing its prime as office space, overtaken by a generation of more recent, cybernetic ally 'smart' buildings with higher ceilings and greater built-in electrical capacity," according to Eric Darton's Divided We Stand.

Darton continues: "To maintain the trade center as class-A office space commanding top rents, the PA" (the Port Authority, then the WTC's owner) "would have had to spend $800 million rebuilding the electrical, electronic communications, and cooling systems."

The new Lower Manhattan Development Corporation, created by Governor George Pataki in November 2001, is to decide on uses of the Twin Towers' site. The Lower Manhattan Development Corporation is chaired by John Whitehead, he the former Chief Executive Officer of the Goldman Sachs investment-banking firm and former Deputy Secretary of State in the George Herbert Walker Bush Administration and he another close associate of the Rockefeller family's.

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Now I feel obliged to look at who died and who did not in the World Trade Center attacks last September 11.

[Ferry Fey]

17. Andy Card's family

I'm interested in the mention that Brad Card, brother of Andy Card, is a major lobbyist for the interests of Larry Silverstein.

A quick preliminary look shows that their sister Alison "Lisi" Kaufman is Vice President of Government Affairs at United Technologies.

http://news.bostonherald.com/dncConvention/view.bg?articleid=80209&format=text

Jamie S. Gorelick of the 9/11 Commission is on the United Technologies Corporation Board of Directors.

http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showConnection.php?id1=203&id2=1066

Pratt and Whitney is owned by United Technologies, and United Technologies is owned by the Carlyle Group. Some of the few components of the aircraft that hit the Pentagon that were found show a resemblence to Pratt and Whitney parts. For those who are interested in synchronicities, an Allison comes up in connection with that too.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/news/05-government/C-fraud/01-911/2005/05C1-02-19-05-pop-goes-the-bush-mythology-bubble.html

[delver]

3. yeah, you're right...

hey Oxbow,

this is a big weekend for 9/11 truth, we've got David Ray Griffin speaking Saturday and Sunday in NYC and the Colorado 9/11 Visibility Project has Barrie Zwicker and Morgan Reynolds. there have been a lot of mainstream articles running lately as well as jimmy walter's ads and the stuff you saw.

good luck with all your efforts to promote the truth!

[philb]

4. Witness statements and videos demonstrate explosions before collapse

NBC video shows explosions caused South Tower to topple and then collapse:

http://www.patshannan.com/wtcarticle.html

Dozens of firemen observed explosions at WTC towers
http://www.flcv.com/firemen.html


First-hand Accounts of Underground Explosions In The North Tower (&South Tower) http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/underground/underground_explosions.htm
Stationary Engineer Mike Pecoraro http://www.chiefengineer.org/article.cfm?seqnum1=1029
Construction worker Phillip Morelli http://ny1.com/pages/RRR/911special_survivors.html

CBS reporter refers to a secondary exploson in the South Tower before its collapse. The reporter's exact words were "some kind of secondary follow-up explosion."
http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/april2004/042704secondaryexplosions.htm

CBS reporter describes explosions near the top of the North Tower as it collapses
http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/april2004/042704secondaryexplosions.htm

NBC: FDNY Chief of Safety Reported Bombs Both Within the Towers and on the Planes on 9/11
Albert Turi, the Chief of Safety for the New York City Fire Department
And as my eyes traveled up the building, and I was looking at the south tower, somewhere about halfway up, my initial reaction was there was a secondary explosion, and the entire floor area, a ring right around the building blew out. And as my eyes traveled further up the building, I realized that this building was collapsing and I turned around and most everybody was ahead of me running for the garage,
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2004/050504bombsinwtc.htm

[MercutioATC]

5. The day I take my "news" from Cartoon Network...

...shoot me.

[LARED]

6. Makes me wonder

If a goal is to be taken seriously, why even tell anyone the Cartoon Network and Louis Farrakhan mentioned 9/11 was an inside job.

Louis Farrakhan the anti-semite preacher, and a frigging cartoon giving hope to the 9/11 "truth seeker" is actually very sad or very funny.

[philb]

7. Seems cartoon network is only place its ok to tell the truth these days

The Daily Show is the only News Report most kids I know trust or watch.

In the U.S., "1984" is finally here

[philb]

8. Which news reports do you use? trust?

[petgoat]

10. It's not taking news from the Cartoon Network; it's pointing out

that the notion of an inside job is entering the culture.

The news is not that 911 is an inside job.
The news is that the Cartoon Network is willing to deal with the notion
that it was.

[MercutioATC]

11. Alien abduction is part of the culture, too.

That's not anything significant. Often, it's the most bizarre conspiracies that gain that status.

[philb]

12. Part of what culture? and what conspiracy theory do you mean?

re: 9/11

what is the most implausible conspiracy theory?

that 19 arabs whose background was mostly known about and followed lead by bin Laden hijacked 4 airliners(without U.S. Gov't help) and managed to take over the planes in spite of locked doors/ communications between pilots/stewards, with lots of prior warnings,etc. and then managed not only to hit 2 WTC towers but destroy the whole complex, and also hit a deserted and reinforced area of Pentagon in spite of D.C. being the most defended place in the world. Pretty far out.


on the other hand, prior knowledge and complicity is well documented by the evidence and testimony before the 9/11 Commission, and a massive coverup is well documented
Dr. D.R. Griffin's books and
http://www.flcv.com/index911.html
http://www.flcv.com/coverup.html

[petgoat]

13. "the most bizarre conspiracies... gain that status."

If it's being lampooned in cartoons it has arrived in the culture.

[MercutioATC]

14. True, but that doesn't speak to a theory's validity...

...in fact, it's often just the opposite.

[philb]

15. what basis for just the opposite???

is this a statement based on Science.
Jon Stewart is pretty intelligent and science and factual orientated it would seem. He deals with important issues. He mostly lampoons what most deserves lampooning. His programs is not just about jokes. It has real content. One can learn from it.
More than most news reports imo. which one can't trust to be serious and say what they think.
Its just that he can say what others aren't allowed to say; or don't for whatever reason?

[MercutioATC]

16. The basis is that usually it's the most outrageous stories (true or not)

that get the press. Alien abduction is a lot more a part of pop culture than something like SETI which, whether you support it or not, does have a much stronger scientific background.

[stickdog]

18. Yes, note the incredibly active alien abduction forum on DU!

:eyes:

[philb]

9. Many Media on site at WTC reported exlosions before the towers fell

Many Media on site at WTC reported exlosions and witnesses to explosions before the towers fell
http://www.flcv.com/wtcmedia.html

so why was there no followup investigations?
http://www.flcv.com/coverup.html

[sabbat hunter]

19. lets take these 1 by 1

1) it is a cartoon, the kid on boondocks thinks everything is a conspiracy if you read the comic strip in the paper. refused to eat any turkey because of a fear of bird flu, no beef because of mad cow disease, etc
2) FAUX news and farrakhan? what a joke. Farrakhan is a racist a** who has no crediblity whatso ever.