2002 Bali Bombing was false-flag terror by the Indonesians

[spooked911]

most likely the army and intelligence services-- according to the former Indoneisan Prime Minister.

Indonesia's former president Abdurrahman Wahid has said his nation's police or military officers may have been involved in the 2002 Bali bombings which killed 202 people.

As Australia marked the third anniversary of the nightclub attacks in which 88 Australians died, Wahid told SBS television's Dateline that he fears there are links between Indonesian authorities and terror groups.

On the program, which is due to air later today, he said that while terrorists were responsible for the first bomb which went off on Oct 12, 2002, the second blast may have been organised by the authorities.

Asked who had planted the second bomb, he said: "Maybe the police... or the armed forces."

http://www.forbes.com/finance/feeds/afx/2005/10/12/afx2272329.html

[oblivious]

1. They were certainly the only ones who benefited from the attack.

That's pretty incredible coming from the former president.

[oblivious]

2. Overwhelming evidence of military complicity in Indonesian terrorism

Asia Times: Terrorism links in Indonesia point to military

...Certainly, there's no evidence that military personnel planted the Bali bombs, but there's no doubt it planted the seeds that produced those bombers and their successors. Radical Islam may provide the motivation for terrorism, but Indonesia's armed forces repeatedly supplied the opportunity and means. ...

...Elections in June 1999 produced a reformist president, Abdurrahman Wahid, who tried to curb the armed forces' political influence.

Coincidentally, there was a surge of violence around the archipelago from which the military (TNI, for Tentara Nasional Indonesia) stood to benefit both politically - as guardian of national stability - and materially, by supplying arms to combatants and collecting protection money from affected civilians and businesses. Radical Islamic thugs even were recruited into graft wars between police and the military, which had been under the same command during the Suharto era. Groups such as the Islamic Defenders Front denounced vice then ransacked nightspots that failed to pay off their uniformed sponsors. White-robed vigilantes smashing liquor bottles garnered extensive media coverage, but no punishment, helping to establish a climate that made religious violence seem not just acceptable but attractive and even heroic.

...Islamic militia group Laksar Jihad received military training and supplies as it recruited thousands of warriors for the Muslim side, expanding and escalating local skirmishes. Top military commanders ignored presidential orders to stop jihadis and arms from reaching conflict zones.

Jemaah Islamiya (JI), the allegedly al-Qaeda-linked group blamed for the bombings in Bali, the Jakarta Marriott in August 2003 and the Australian Embassy last month, also used the Malukus as a proving ground for its own fighters, much as al-Qaeda's key members gained battlefield experience fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan....

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/FJ08Ae01.html

And guess who's been getting their old power back after the Bali terror strikes - the military. It's funny how Reuters and AP automatically link all these bombings to Al-qaeda in their reports, when in fact this is just a fantasy. Pure propaganda.

See also Global Research. Read this and you will have no doubt that the army and police are behind terrorism in Indonesia. But then, isn't it always thus?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20051014&articleId=1085

[StrafingMoose]

3. Good find Spooked :P

And also about the recent Bali bombings...

However, Hidayat Nurwahid, chairman of Indonesia's Parliament and leader of the major Muslim political force, the Prosperous Peace and Justice Party, blamed the bombings on rivalry within the tourism industry.

He called for a halt to speculation that the bombings were the work of "a certain group from a certain religion".

"I have valid information that these acts may be related to inter-state competition in the tourism industry," he said.

Who knows...

[MrSammo1]

4. Why

am I not surprised?

http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/66432

[LARED]

5. Is it still a false flag operation if

the government forces blowing up stuff are intending to overthrow the existing government?

Similar to what happens in Saudi Arabia.

[StrafingMoose]

6. I'd say yes...

When you target civilians and then proceed to blame it on someone else, I'd say it is.

But you think the govt forces of Saudi Arabia are intending to overthrow the Royal Family? I've seen some calls on the Royal Family to distanciate themselves from USA and try to convince the Muslim world that S. Arabia can defend their interests. These calls came from within the Family actually, but nothing on the scale of an overthrow although, maybe I missed this.

[LARED]

7. Let me clarify

A better word than government forces would be government security forces that are covert agents for forces outside the government working against the Al-Saud family and Saudi government by attacking infidel Arabs and Westerners working for the government.

There are many instances of this happening in Saudi Arabia in the last few years. Theese do not get much press because the Saudi government has tremendous control over the press and does not like to admit this is happening.

My thoughts were that what happened in Bali are very similar.

[petgoat]

8. It's false flag if ANYONE commits crimes intending that they should

be blamed on someone else.

[StrafingMoose]

9. Oh I see

Yes, it's a plausible scenario. Both Wahhabis and Western nations (indutrialized nations) have every interests to see the Family and this dysfunctional corrupt governement be replaced by something more 'religious' -- or stable.

And about Bali, the reported intent of Indonesia to switch to Euro for oil currency might be stirring some internal/external conflicts also.

[pox americana]

10. Indonesia has been the playground of the CIA for decades

Funny how those Bali bombings came right when Shrub was squirming over Plamegate and the hurricanes and just in time for a thrifty tie-in to Bloomberg's subway scare campaign.

[paulthompson]

11. I've lived in Indonesia for a couple of years...

And there are so many false flag operations and intrigues there that it's not even funny. People focus in on these Bali bombings, but in fact there are thousands killed in violence every year, and usually the police or military are behind it in one way or another. Corruption and violence is endemic. Human life means little. For instance, a couple of years back you may recall some particularly gruesome violence on the island of Borneo between the native locals and recent migrants from other islands that killed thousands. It literally took the military a week to arrive, despite them having a task force that can get to trouble spots in hours. A classic LIHOP (let it happen on purpose), because letting the violence play out served the military's political purposes at the time. Then, once the military finally got there, they did next to nothing to stop the violence. In fact, the only gunfight turned out to be between the police and military as the two forces fought over the "right" to fleece people at the port who were trying to flee the island of their remaining possessions.

It's really, really tragic. The bizarre and conspiratorial is common place. For instance, in the town I was living in on Java, shortly after I left there was a wave of "ninja" killings. People dressed in ninja robes would arrive to someone's house in the middle of the night, kill somebody, then disappear. It was so professionally done, none of the killers were ever caught. No one could figure out the pattern of who was being killed or why. After some months, the wave of deaths came to a complete halt, and no one could figure out why that happened, either. This kind of thing is very typical, and 99% of the time, violence in remote Indonesian locales never reaches the Western papers. For instance, in my area thre was a typically unexplained wave of violence where a whole bunch of churches were burned down. But this didn't even reach the local papers, thanks to censorship (however, I saw the burned churches myself).

Hell, sometimes even violence right in the middle of Jakarta doesn't get reported. Back in the 1980's, a non-Muslim policeman entered a mosque and didn't take his shoes off. Locals were pissed and beat him up. The police came back in force and basically indiscriminately killed dozens of people in the neighborhood. I had a friend whose father happened to be at his house at the time (and oblivious about what had happened at the mosque). The father was shot in the chest. He survived, but just barely since he was too afraid to go to the hospital (figuring the police would show up and kill off the wounded, which is something they sometimes do). Even though this happened in a middle class neighborhood in the middle of Jakarta, the whole thing was hushed up.

Sometimes it gets downright tragi-comic. For instance, there was one particularly obvious false flag operation in the province of Irian Jaya a few years back. The government blamed the incident on the previously unheard of terror group which they called "Gerakan Tanpa Bentuk" which roughly translates as Group Without Shape, or the Amorphous Blob Group. As if any terror organization would ever call themselves that! True to their name, they had no known motive, demands, ideology, or membership. There was a lot of black humor about this group, as pretty much all my neighbors could see it was obviously the military trying very badly to pin their greedy actions on a non-existent enemy. (One cause of violence: the military and police run protection rackets and kill families who don't pay up.)

I feel very sorry for that country and the people in it. The ordinary folks are always getting screwed.

I learned a lot while I was there. For one thing, I find the idea that governments won't kill their own people for political gain to be laughable. I'm sorry for the naive Americans who think that we're somehow special or different and that what happens in places like Indonesia could never happen here.