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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 08:31 PM
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German translation help needed
Hi,
I've had some more time lately to do 9/11 stuff, and am working through some backlog on my list of things to do.

One item is figuring out what's in these two huge German articles from Stern:

Die tdlichen Fehler des US-Geheimdienstes (Teil 1)

Oliver Schrm und Dirk Laabs
Stern
Meldung vom 13. August 2003
http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/index.html?id=511557&nv=ma_ct&eid=501259

Die tdlichen Fehler des US-Geheimdienstes (Teil 2)

Stern
August 19, 2003
http://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/index.html?id=511820&q=jarrah

As far as I could tell, these got virtually no coverage in the US, except this for the first one:

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1401481,00.html

and this for the second one:

http://www.rediff.com/us/2003/aug/20attack.htm

Unlike the US, it appears Germany actually does some investigative reporting about 9/11 from time to time. :) It looks like more interesting stuff about what the CIA knew about the hijackers before 9/11.

Could anyone help with the translation in English of these two long articles? We can post the final translations here for everyone to read, and I'll add it to the timeline.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 08:58 PM
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1. I can't translate exactly but
the date you have is a report of previously reported articles from 9-11-2001 to Aug. 2003. It is really interesting it does appear from my cursory reading that the first paragraph is that Tenet and Sen. Boren of Oklahoma were having breakfast not far from the White House when the news of the attack came.
The habit of the Deutch to string a whole bunch of words together to make a new word...doesn't help.
I hope you find a German speaker.
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plaguepuppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 09:18 PM
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2. Try Google language tools
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 09:31 PM
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3. Don't trust anything in the Stern, it is like our version of the Sun.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 10:03 PM
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4. Stern?
That Sun comparison is good to know. But this actually was a joint project with the public TV station ARD. What's their reputation? I would assume better than Stern, and that ARD was behind most of the research, probably funded with foundation or gvmt money. Most newspapers just don't have the budgets to do serious investigative reporting any more.

I tried the language tools to get a rough grasp. It appears there's a lot of new information here. I tried to read the part about the al-Qaeda meeting in Malaysia in January 2000 ,and there's way more detail than I've ever seen in any other report, and I've seen just about all of them regarding that.

So this would definitely be worth translating.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 03:38 AM
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5. maybe you could put out a call for...
...a translator in GD where more DU-ers go.

I'd sure like to see the finished translations. Also, I always wondered about that interview Bush gave with Der Spiegle last year. Or maybe in 2002. I never saw a full recounting of that.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 08:37 PM
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12. yes
Probably a good idea (or even the lounge).

As for a Spiegel-Bush Interview, I can't remember one. AFAIK Bush was interviewed by the ARD in 2002 and by the Spiegel in 2001.

The ARD interview was printed in the Spiegel - you can watch it here: http://www.tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,1185,OID782074,00.html
. It's dubbed, but some of the original English is still understandable.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 10:03 AM
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6. ARD
Is part of the public broadcasting network. If somewhere in German TV critical political opinions are voiced, then there. High reputation. As for the Stern, I am not sure (Der Spiegel is an advocate of the official version).
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 07:39 PM
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11. not quite as bad
The Stern has never recovered from the Hitler diaries. Although it is far from it's former glory, it is no tabloid.
I always take Stern articles with a grain of salt; they tend to be big pictures/few words, when compared with the Spiegel.

As for translations: the articles are long and I haven't the time just now to do it. If you need help understanding a passage, then PM me.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 10:07 AM
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7. I could translate the first one...
for the beginning. It will take a week or two. Please notify me if you have someone who will do it quicker.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 07:06 PM
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9. Cool
Could you tackle part one, and reorg part 2? It would be very much appreciated.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 06:13 AM
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13. Agreed: I will do part one
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 09:21 PM
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15. Excellent!
Thanks! Now hopefully reorg will confirm he'll do part 2, and we'll be all set.
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 09:43 PM
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17. sure, I'll do what I can
the second part should be doable in a week or earlier.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 10:57 PM
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18. Excellent! (again)
Thanks!
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 02:48 PM
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8. volunteering
Hi,

since I could use some practice, I'm willing to do some parts.

Not sure if it's really worth the effort, though.

I have seen the ARD documentary and read parts of the article series, the gist of it being your typical "intelligence failure" excuse.

They seem to assume a lot of things and never feel the need to prove anything. Like some other "documentaries" / reports on 9/11 it is in large parts a re-fictionalized account of information the source of which is often not disclosed. IOW, it is presumably the German police and intelligence version of events, told by Stern and ARD as if their reporters had been present at the events themselves.


However, it could be worse, and the Stern is by all means not as bad as the Sun. They reached their nadir with the fake Hitler diaries in the mid-eighties, but since their relapse, with an inventive reporter who completely faked a number of reports for Stern TV, I never heard anything particularly embarassing about them.

The Stern's latest scoop was a picture of thirty years ago, focusing on our current Green foreign minister, protected by leather clothes and a motor bike helmet, and accompanied by a few equally clad supporters, hitting and kicking at a single police officer lying on the ground during a riot in Frankfurt.



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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-03-04 07:14 PM
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10. Reorg
Did you see my post to Gandalf, if he could tackle part 1 and you part 2?

It's definitely worth it. Virtually all 9/11 articles take the "intelligence failure" angle, if even that, because to suggest anything more is taboo. But if you put together all the little bits and pieces that dribble out of pieces like this, it starts to add up.

From the little I've seen here, there's a lot that should be reported in the US press. For instance the 9/11 planning meeting in Malaysia in January 2000 has typically been reported as something the US didn't realize the importance of, and something that was given low priority and lost in the shuffle. Whereas this article says 8 CIA offices were drawn into it, 6 foreign intelligence agencies involved, Tenet personally informed about updates from the meeting and so on. Why doesn't that get reported in the US? Arrgh!

I noticed too from the rought Google translation that omniscient point of view. That's annoying - where do they even get their information from?
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 05:46 PM
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14. 'laterst'? - wasn't that story/picture reported 2-4 years ago??
and it's 'news' to Stern???
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-04-04 09:42 PM
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16. yes , a few years
I meant to say it was their last major "scoop". Since then I haven't heard of any interesting stories breaking with the Stern.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-08-04 05:33 AM
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19. first half of first part can be found here:
First part, first half. The rest will follow. Note: this is only a draft, I have to read it again and make some corrections.

Der Stern manages to blow a few facts up and make a big story. This could have been written with a quarter of the words used here.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 05:12 AM
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20. Thanks!
I'll look more forward to the second half, about the Malaysia meeting where hopefully there's more weighty stuf.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 05:44 AM
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21. Rest will follow after the weekend
but after a quick glance at rest I would not expect too much substance there either...

OT: Paul, I saw your essay on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is cited by Peter Dale Scott (2003), The CIA's secret powers, Critical Asian Studies. So your work makes it to scientific journals!
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 08:21 PM
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22. translation
I've spoken to Scott about 9/11 in person - he's a very cool, knowledgable guy.

Speaking of translations, here's something else I just found that I hope someone could help translate:

Giftgas und Aids-Blutbeutel;
Italiens Geheimdienste lancieren Horrormeldungen, Medien malen grausige Szenarien: Genua wird zum G-8-Gipfel der wichtigsten Industrienationen am 20. Juli abgeriegelt. Demo-Zone ist vor der Stadt

AUTOR: MICHAEL BRAUN
Die Tageszeitung
26. Juni 2001



ROM - G-8-Gipfel Genua: Versprengte, von ihren Einheiten abgetrennte Polizisten werden von vermummten Demonstranten als Geiseln genommen. Dann marschiert der schwarze Block auf die Polizeikette zu - und er treibt die uniformierten Geiseln als menschliche Schutzschilde vor sich her, whrend aus der zweiten Reihe Steine und Brandstze fliegen.

Ein krudes Horrorszenario - ein Horrorszenario mit offiziellem Gtesiegel allerdings. Italiens Inlandsgeheimdienst Sisde verbreitete Ende letzter Woche die Warnung vor der angeblich anstehenden terroristischen Eskalation, geplant angeblich von den "tute bianche", der Bewegung der "Weien Overalls", aus den autonomen Zentren des Veneto unter ihrem Anfhrer Luca Casarini.

Mit dieser Masche werden Italiens Zeitungsleser seit Wochen bei Laune gehalten. Mal wird aus "deutschen Geheimdienstquellen" die Meldung lanciert, Bin Laden werde Kleinstflugzeuge mit Giftgas zum Bombardement des Gipfels einsetzen, dann werden Demonstranten "erwartet", die statt Mollis mit Aids-Blut gefllte Beutel im Gepck haben sollen.

Ein Ziel ist damit auf jeden Fall erreicht. Die beispiellosen Sicherheitsmanahmen in und um Genua bekommen das Gtesiegel unverbrchlicher Notwendigkeit. Whrend der Gipfeltage wird die "rote Zone" des Zentrums selbst fr Genuesen zur verbotenen Stadt. Nur wer in der Innenstadt lebt oder arbeitet, erhlt einen Passierschein. Ergnzt wird diese Manahme voraussichtlich durch die mehrtgige Totalsperrung der stdtischen Bahnhfe und des Hafens.

Drauen vor der Stadt darf demonstriert werden - auch die Regierung Berlusconi unterstreicht immer wieder ihre Dialogbereitschaft mit den friedlichen Protestierern. Drei Millionen Mark will der Staat zu deren Unterbringung in Schulen und auf Sportpltzen bereitstellen, und als Zckerchen fr die Umwelt-, die Friedens-, die Dritte-Welt-Gruppen denkt das Auenministerium sogar ber einen Vor-Gipfel nach, auf dem sich dann statt der Mchtigsten die rmsten der Welt treffen drfen, mglichst unter Beteiligung Nelson Mandelas.

Doch der Dialog will nicht so recht in Gang kommen. Weiterhin nmlich besteht das Genua Social Forum - der Koordinationsrat der Protestfront - auf dem Demonstrationsrecht auch in der Stadt. Das sei schlielich in der Verfassung verbrgt, ohne jeden einschrnkenden Zusatz wie "nicht whrend G-8-Gipfeln" und "nicht in Genua".



I understand this article mentions the German secret service giving a warning that al-Qaeda would use an airplane against the G8 summit, a month before the summit happens.

More evidence showing that Condoleeza Rice's comment that no one could have envisioned the use of planes as weapons is crap.
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Woody Box Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 03:18 AM
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23. Genua

The article quotes italian newspapers quoting "german secret service sources" that bin Laden was planning attacks with small planes, bombarding the summit with poisonous gas. So, this is just hearsay and no suicide attacks are mentioned.

But you are right, I remember the italian SISDE (secret service) warning against attacking kamikaze planes. AFAIK the government didn't allow flight traffic above Genua, and Bush spent the night aboard a ship.
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medienanalyse Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 08:34 AM
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40. woody is right in both statements
Mal wird aus "deutschen Geheimdienstquellen" die Meldung lanciert, Bin Laden werde Kleinstflugzeuge mit Giftgas zum Bombardement des Gipfels einsetzen, - this is the main sentence, but is is only hearsay.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 12:24 PM
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24. Part one is done
Part one of Stern article is ready. I made some corections to the former version.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 08:11 PM
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25. Thanks!
Thanks a lot, Gandalf.

Reorg, how is your translation coming?

There are some significant bits of info in this article. The most significant I think is this sentence regarding the Malaysian meeting:

"Parts of recorded phone calls made it clear that a high-ranking chief of operations of al Qaeda wanted to meet other terrorists of the organization."

So, before the meeting began, the CIA knew it would be important. The spin has generally been that they only had passing interest in the meeting, and didn't even know if it was a collection of terrorists or not until later.

By the way, Gandalf, can you also translate the title of the article? And would you like to be credited with the translation, and if so, using what name?
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 09:16 PM
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26. hopefully tomorrow
I'll be done.

There were some major distractions at work and elsewhere ... sorry about that.

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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 02:58 AM
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32. translation
Howdy Reorg,
Any word on how the translation is coming?
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 08:46 PM
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34. Reorg?
Any word on the translation yet?
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-04 10:23 PM
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27. question
Okay, now that I've read the translation, I see a lot of interesting things in there. Definitely a lot of padding though, like the talk about how cool the Kuala Lumpur airport is in January 2000. Talk about useless trivia!

I also made quite a few changes in wording just to improve readibility - hope you don't mind Gandalf. For instance, I changed "conspirative flat" to "conspiratorial apartment."

Anyways, a question. If one looks at this article, which is a summary of the Stern article:

http://www.news24.com/News24/World/News/0,,2-10-1462_1401481,00.html


The joint investigative reports said that in January 1999, Germany's security agency BfV first noted the name of a man named "Marwan" after he had placed calls with Haydar Sammar, a German- Syrian living in Hamburg, who had been under surveillance since 1993.

Two months later, in March 1999, the BfV passed the information about Marwan on to the CIA, which then also began keeping surveillance on him, ARD and Stern reported.

The reports said the CIA had detailed information about Marwan Alshehhi, and the fact that he was from the United Arab Emirates and studying in Germany. The CIA had his cellphone number and knew that he was in contact with Haydar, whom the Americans had suspected of being al-Qaeda's contact man in Germany.


---

Is it really true that the CIA began surveilling al-Shehhi at this time, based on the Stern article? I don't get that from the translation. They're given some info on him yes, but that's different from saying they begin actively monitoring him.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 07:08 AM
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28. Answers
In the first part it is not said that the CIA began actively monitoring al-Shehhi around 1999, only that they have him in the CIA database.

In the second part it is said that "they had him on their radar screen", "they had their sights on him". It is not clear to me what this means exactly. Probably they had not a full fledged surveillance operation running.

The title of this masterpiece of journalism:
"The deadly mistakes of the US intelligence agency"

(Concerning the first part, I can only say: There were no mistakes; they watched these people quite early)

What is interesting to me is: It is the first time that I read in a mainstream source that al Qaeda people were fighting in Bosnia.

Changes in wording: No problem at all, do what will improve the readability. Credit: Would you use the name Gandalf?

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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 09:42 AM
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29. Stern article
Edited on Thu Jan-15-04 09:44 AM by paulthompson
Here be the whole thing. Thanks again, Gandalf. I hope I can post all of this - I figure since it's the translation by a DUer and not the original, it should be okay.


The Deadly Mistakes of the US Intelligence Agency (Part 1)

by Oliver Schröm and Dirk Laabs
Stern (German magazine)
August 13, 2003





Washington, September 11, 2001

At 8.50 am, CIA director George Tenet is sitting at his breakfast table in the St. Regis hotel, only a few blocks away from the White House. He is together with David L. Boren, former senator of Oklahoma, an old friend and supporter.

He was the most important person for Tenet’s career. The CIA director is talking about his favorite topic again: Osama bin Laden. Boren was anxious about his friend: Half the city was slandering, because Tenet has been warning of imminent attacks for months without being able to provide a proof.

“Mr. Director, there is a serious problem”.

Tenet agrees that he was wrong again and again. For instance, he has predicted a terror attack for the national holiday, July 4. Nothing happened on that day, but Osama bin Laden made him sleepless nevertheless. Their talk was abruptly interrupted: Security personnel enters the room. “Mr. Director”, one of them says, “there is a serious problem.”

“What’s the matter?,” Tenet asked. The security officer hesitates. Tenet indicates that he should speak freely even in the presence of Boren. “A tower of the WTC has been attacked.” Another guard offers Tenet a mobile phone. Tenet at once calls the CIA headquarter in Langley and asks for details.

“They steered the plane directly into the building?” he asks incredulously. He orders his closest employees to the conference room and wants to be there himself within 15 minutes. “That looks like Bin Laden” Tenet said to Boren. Without waiting for a reaction Tenet thinks aloud: “I wonder if this has something to do with the guy who trained for a pilot’s license.”

Hamburg, December 1999

Thomas Volz is not very popular among his German colleagues. When the CIA officer again drops by at Johanniswall 4 in Hamburg, the German agents (of the German domestic intelligence agency) roll their eyes. “The little one visits the boss again”, they say to themselves. The CIA agent hopes for support for his investigations in the Islamistic milieu in Hamburg. Volz treats the Hamburg agents condescendingly, therefore the Germans give him only little information.

The businessman Mamoun Darkazanli

The CIA agent has only been in Hamburg for a few months. Officially Volz is accredited with the American Consulate. The white building is situated directly at the outer Alster. Here only few know what Volz is doing in reality. He is an inconspicuous person, little. But when Volz has set a goal, he goes for it fervently. This time Mamoun Darkazanli has to be “turned around.”

Darkazanli was born in Syria. However, the 41-year-old has lived in Hamburg for many years and has become a German citizen in the meantime. Together with his German wife he lives in a yellow-painted apartment building at the Uhlenhorster Weg (address), on the other side of the outer Alster. His private address serves as his business address as well. 1993, he used this address to register the “Mamoun Darkazanli Import-Export Company” with the Chamber of Commerce. The purpose of the company was to trade goods of all kinds, especially machinery and electrical machines. For two years the business rests.

Since 1993 the CIA has been watching the Islamistic milieu in Germany. And since this time “the firm” is watching Darkazanli. The Americans found the Hamburg address of the Syrian with members of the terrorist organization al Qaeda in Africa. In August 1998, after the attacks on the embassies of Nairobi and Daressalam, CIA investigators found a trace. Soon, one of the planners of the attacks, which were the cause for 224 persons killed and more than 4500 hurt, could be arrested. He was a Lebanese with a US passport.

An old acquaintance of bin Laden


The Lebanese was an old acquaintance of bin Laden. In the US, he had, as camouflage, set up an import and export business and traded in used tires. When he was arrested, the authorities found his business cards. On his cards he gave as a business address Darkazanli’s address in Hamburg.

At the same time US agents stumbled upon the Syrian a second time. Because of the attacks on the US embassies the German federal police (BKA) arrested in Grueneck (Bavaria) the supposed financial chief of Bin Laden, on September 16, 1998. CIA and FBI had followed the man around half the globe. When he finally entered Germany, the BKA was asked to help. The officials arrested the man and extradited him to the US.

The state police has to set him free


From the financial chief of Bin Laden there was a direct lead to Darkazanli. Until 1997, the Syrian had a bank account on his behalf with Deutsche Bank in Hamburg. Was it possible that via this account al Qaeda money was laundered or even terrorist attacks had been financed? Darkazanli played the innocent. He admitted to the Hamburg state police (LKA) that he knew the arrested man, but explained that he knew nothing of his terrorist background.

The only purpose of this account was to enable the purchase of a transmitter for Sudan. But the deal was never closed. The LKA had nothing against Darkazanli and had to set him free. The CIA, however, saw in him an important junction in the network of the terrorists around Osama bin Laden.

Langley, Virginia, mid December, 1999

Since the attacks on the US embassies the CIA was under pressure to present a success. The attacks one and a half year earlier had caught the agency on the wrong foot. But Osama bin Laden had warned the US: “I prophesize a black day for America.” He had announced this shortly before the attacks in an interview with the US channel ABC. But in Langley, in the CIA’s headquarter, nobody had believed the son of a Saudi millionaire.

The most important man in the intelligence community

And now George Tenet has to be afraid for his job. Only at the end of 1997 he was made Director of Central Intelligence and thus the most powerful man in the US intelligence community. The son of Greek immigrants had an unusual career background for this job. He was not experienced intelligence man, but a typical career official, like many in the Capitol and White House. Grey CIA veterans are skeptical about him.

Of his agents Tenet demands a change of course regarding the fight against terrorism, after the disasters in East Africa: “With our efforts against Bin Laden, we have to enter a new stage. Up to now, our work was noteworthy and in some cases even heroic; up to the day that we have to recognize as the day on which we had to suffer an inevitable blow, the consequences of which might be bigger than we expected,” writes Tenet. “We are now at war, and I will not save personnel and resources.”

The plan: human sources

The boss has a strategy elaborated how to best answer the new kind of terror. He simply calls the strategy paper “the plan.” According to “the plan”, the CIA should use Human Intelligence (HUMINT), so called “human sources”, to a higher degree. “The plan” even suggests to subvert the terror network with its own undercover agents. This would be a costly and timeconsuming matter, because in the CIA at this time there are almost no agents who speak Pashtu or Arab fluently.

By December 1999, not much of “the Plan” has been realized. But in Langley more and more reports are gathered that al Qaeda is now planning attacks inside the US, also. The CIA has every reason to take these warnings seriously. By accident, only some days earlier, the police arrested an al Qaeda operative at the Canadian border with 50 kilos of explosives. The man was traveling to Los Angeles, where he was to conduct a bomb attack on the international airport during the millennium celebrations. Since then, Langley was very alert.

Already on December 11, a CIA agent sent an urgent telegram to the Langley headquarters. He recommends to ask the State Department, the Immigration Bureau and the FBI to put all persons identified as terrorists on a watch list, even if only alias names and first names are known.

They only know a first name

At this time, the CIA is following one man who will later be identified as a member of al Qaeda. They only know his first name, Khalid. He was suspect to the agents because he was a frequent visitor in a conspiratorial apartment of important al Qaeda men. Still they do not know that Khalid has a visa for the US, issued by the US consulate in Jeddah in Saudi Arabia on April 7, 1999. It is valid till April 6, 2000. The visa permits him to enter and leave the US as he likes. Only three weeks later they will learn the real identity of the man.

Hamburg, end of December 1999

Thomas Volz sees in an opportunity the CIA’s difficult position a possibility to further his career. If he succeeds in recruiting Darkazanli as an informant for “the firm” this would be a good thing for his career. However, this is not an easy task. Volz has the address and telephone number of Darkazanli, but he knows that he needs help. Using only money it would be impossible to recruit a convinced Islamist for the CIA.

CIA asks the German domestic intelligence service for help (Landesamt für Verfassungsschutz, LfV). Without pressure such a thing is difficult. And Volz has nothing to use against Darkazanli. He cannot threaten to arrest or expel him. Legally, he is not allowed to recruit an informant without consent of the German authorities. The only possibility for the CIA agent is to ask the Hamburg state domestic intelligence service for support.

The Hamburg LfV resides in the center of the city, not far from the central station and the Al-Kuds mosque, where Darkazanli uses to meet friends. The Hamburg LfV is one of the smallest domestic intelligence agencies in Germany. As of 1999 it has 125 employees, including assisting staff. The department for extremist foreign nationals has 10 employees who watch the Islamistic milieu and other radical groups like the Kurdish PKK or the Turkish extremists around Milli Görös.

The department is desperately short of personnel; only one employee speaks Arab. Wiretapping operations make no sense because it would take too long to analyze the records. The agency knows Darkazanli as a fanatic Muslim. When Volz presents his intention to recruit him, the German refuse.

The Germans are irritated

According to their information, neither by money nor by any other means could Darkazanli be motivated to cooperate. The agency thinks it completely impossible that Darkazanli would betray his fellow believers to the CIA, the intelligence agency of the arch enemy.

Volz does not agree with his German colleagues. He is persistent. Again and again he talks to the agency. The Germans from the department for extremist foreign nationals are thus already on edge. When they explain to him that they judge his plan as forlorn, Volz angrily presents to them a basic CIA handbook to recruit informants.

Finally, Volz tries it on his own. When the Hamburg investigators get wind of that, they make it unmistakably clear to him that his solo is espionage for them. Volz recognizes that he can do nothing. If he does not want to provoke a diplomatic scandal, he has to stop the operation. That’s what he does, being very angry.

The suspect lives off social welfare

But Darkazanli is not the only Islamist in Hamburg who is interesting to the CIA. For many years they have been watching another Syrian, whom they regard as one of the most important contact persons and recruiters of al Qaeda in Germany: Mohammed Haydar Zammar. He was born in 1961 in the Syrian city Aleppo, but grew up in Hamburg and is a German citizen since 1982. He has 6 children and lives off social welfare.

In the organization of Osama bin Laden he is one of the oldest members. Already in 1991 he fought in Afghanistan on the side of the Mujaheddin, 1995 he is in Bosnia. Since mid nineties, he is commuting between Hamburg and Afghanistan. He maintains a close contact to one of the chiefs of operation of al Qaeda and recruits new members who learn the basics of terror in Afghan camps. However, the CIA thinks it not necessary to explain to the German intelligence agencies the importance of the Syrian for the network of al Qaeda.

The German federal domestic intelligence agency finally gets a hint from Turkish colleagues that Zammar is running a dubious travel agency in Hamburg. According to this information Zammar organizes flights for radical Muslims via Istanbul or Ankara to Afghanistan. The German authorities thought at first that Zammar was head of a head of a gang that organizes the transport of refugees.

A religious fanatic

But when they have a closer look at Zammar and his environment, they detect that he is not an ordinary criminal – but a religious fanatic, who agitates especially in the Al Kuds mosque near the Hamburg central station. There the bearded man openly shows his admiration for Osama bin Laden, whom he – according to his own explanation – has met personally in Afghanistan.

Proudly he tells visitors – most of them young – how he has learned to handle weapons and explosives in the camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan. He calls upon his listeners to follow their religious duties; they should join the holy war and fight the infidels. He himself already had done that – in Bosnia and Afghanistan on the side of the Mujaheddin.

But with these claims he cannot impress the German intelligence agencies. Boasters like Zammar can be met often in the relevant mosques. However, in 1998, the domestic intelligence agency gets a hint from Italy which induces the agency to have a closer look at Zammar. In Turin, Islamistic extremists have been arrested, who, according to the Italian authorities, were close to mount attacks against US facilities in Europe.

In the flat of the men a huge reservoir of weapons and ammunition had been found, also wigs, false beards and a list of addresses. On this list was the Hamburg address and the mobile phone number of Haydar Zammar, together with a notice “Fratello Mohammed” and the addendum “Abu al-Hassan”, the father of Hassan.

“Operation Tenderness”

The German investigators quickly found out that Zammar had a son named Hassan. The federal domestic intelligence agency (BfV) in Cologne has to rethink its opinion. Apparently , Zammar at least had contacts to possible terrorists. An extensive surveillance starts.

The operation was named “Operation Tenderness”. This is kind of ironic, after all, Zammar has almost 2m in height and a weight of 140 kilos. The operation comprises the whole set of intelligence gathering techniques. Zammar is watched, agents interview his environment, and always when “brother Haydar”, how he is called in the milieu, uses the telephone or gets a telephone call, the conversation is automatically recorded.

On January 31, 1999, Zammar gets a call from a Marwan. The caller wants to know how he and his brothers are doing; Zammar talks about his being jobless and that he has the possibility to go on a training course, financed by the state. Marwan reports from his studies in Bonn; Zammar asks him to come to Hamburg soon. The caller promises to come not later than May, when he will have finished his exams. The conversation seems to be boring, yet, the agency investigates the telephone number of the caller. Result: The call came from a mobile phone, registered in the United Arab Emirates.

Meager information for the CIA

The German investigators think the caller so important that they inform the CIA. The CIA can prove connections not only to Zammar, but also to Darkazanli. At least, since spring 1999, in the databases of the CIA, there is an entry “Marwan”, student in Germany and citizen of the United Arab Emirates, important contact person of Zammar and Darkazanli. His full name is Marwan al-Shehhi. Two and a half years later he would pilot the Boeing that crashes into the WTC south tower.

In the meantime, the German intelligence agencies continue “Operation Tenderness.” They notice that Zammar calls the telephone number 76 75 18 30 in Hamburg, the extension of a apartment-sharing community of Arab students, Marienstraße 54, Hamburg-Harburg. The extension was registered by Said Bahaji, a German-Moroccan and student of electrical engineering.

Also registered in the flat are the Egypt Mohammed Atta, student of urban planning, and Ramzi Binalshibh, a Yemenite, a sporadic student. The Moroccan Mounir el-Motassadeq, student of electrical engineering, and the Lebanese, Ziad Jarrah, who studies airplane construction, are often visitors in the flat.

The investigators notice that at least Bahaji and el-Motassadeq regularly met Zammar. The officials set up a “border control”: Their name, residence, and passport number, are put into the police information system INPOL. So it can be checked where they are and where they travel while they know nothing about being watched. And INPOL is operating faultlessly.

From Fuhlsbüttel to Afghanistan

For instance, when el-Motassadeq travels from the airport Hamburg-Fuhlsbüttel to Istanbul (flight TK 1662), the intelligence agency is notified immediately. Naturally, the officials know that Istanbul is not his real destination but only the usual stopover on his way to Afghanistan, to the camps of Osama bin Laden.

On September 21, 1999, early in the morning, Zammar calls the flat Marienstraße 54, at 8.33 am. The agents are surprised that not one of the students takes the call but Marwan al-Shehhi, whom they have noticed 9 months ago as the contact person of Zammar. The Arab seems to have realized his plan to move to Hamburg. Together with Atta and Jarrah he is planning to travel to Afghanistan in the near future.

Obviously Zammar knows about his friend’s intention to travel. At least, he asks for Marwan al-Shehhi’s blessing. “Don’t forget us in your prayers”, said al-Shehhi. “You also, and send my love to the other brothers,” Zammar replied. “One moment, Said (Bahaji) wants to talk to you.” "Salam aleikum, brother," Bahaji says. “It is good to hear your voice.” “Where are you, man?,” Zammar asks him. “I have not seen you for a long time. I was in Hamburg and visited the brothers, I even spent the night there. But I did not see you.”

One of them still wants to marry

Bahaji has his reasons not to live any longer in the flat share in the Marienstraße. He wants to marry soon, and before the others set off to Afghanistan. Zammar seems to understand. He wants to know if Bahaji wants to marry according to German law. “My best wishes to Mohammed Amir (Atta) and the other brothers.”

The marriage takes place on October 9, 1999, in the Al-Kuds mosque in Hamburg, Steindamm (address). The best man is Zammar. Darkazanli, a friend of the bridegroom, has come, as well as acquaintances of the shared apartment. Soon after the party Atta, al-Shehhi and Jarrah travel to Afganistan for several months. The other part of the student group flies over later. Only Ramzi Binalshibh doesn’t go to Afghanistan. The charismatic head of the Hamburg cell has an important appointment in Kuala Lumpur, the capital of Malaysia.

Kuala Lumpur, January 5, 2000

When Khalid al-Mihdhar arrives at the capital of Malaysia, it is very hot. January in the southeast-Asian country is the hottest month of the year, with an average temperature of 31 degrees Celsius. But in the huge arrival area of the international airport it is agreeably cool.

The Saudi doesn’t attract any attention

Al-Midhar passes the passport control without any problems. The 25-year-old Saudi doesn’t attract any attention. Malaysia is a country for immigrants and Kuala Lumpur a melting pot of different nationalities and religions. More than 50 per cent of the inhabitants are Muslim, the rest consists of Hindu, Buddhists and Christians. Even though he is an al Qaeda member since some time, al-Midhar is not concerned to use his real identity. He is sure not to be on any international watch list.

That might be one of the reasons why he has been chosen by the al Qaeda leaders for the coming operation. Besides, al-Midhar has proven courage and determination while fighting the so-called infidels, when he was fighting in Bosnia on the side of the Mujaheddin in the mid nineties.

There is another reason for al-Midhar. Via the relatives of his wife he has close connections to the terror network. His father in law has a conspiratorial apartment in Yemen that is an important junction for al Qaeda in the east African area. And his father in law is not the only one in his wife’s family who swore the “Bayat”, a vow of fidelity to Bin Laden, and who works wholeheartedly for the organization.

A powerful cell in Hamburg

For more than five years Ramzi Binalshibh, one of her cousins, lives in Germany and has created together with his fellows a powerful cell in Hamburg. Al-Midhar’s wife’s family seems to resemble the mafia a little bit. Who belongs to the family, no matter if by marriage or by birth, at least sympathizes with al Qaeda or praises its leader Osama bin Laden.

In the arrival hall of the airport of Kuala Lumpur al-Mihdhar is already expected. A follower of al Qaeda drives him to Bandar Sungai Long, a cloned city 30 driving minutes away from Kuala Lumpur. There al-Mihdhar has an appointment in a conspiratorial apartment with Binalshibh and with Tawfiq bin Attash, one of the highest-ranking chiefs of operation of al Qaeda. In the end of the eighties the Yemenite has fought together with Bin Laden in Afghanistan against the Red Army and lost a leg, that is the reason why he is called “the single-legged.”

The CIA is following him

Al-Midhar doesn’t notice that since he left Saudi Arabia he has been constantly watched by the CIA. Agents of eight bases and offices in the Arabian and Asian area work together in this operation. They hope that the young man might lead them to high-ranking members of al Qaeda. In order to ensure that they could follow the terrorist around the world in the worst case, they had asked half a dozen friendly foreign intelligence agencies to help.

The big interest of the CIA in al-Midhar is the result of the wiretapping of the apartment of Ahmad Muhammad al-Hada, his father in law. That is the reason they know that via his extension 967-1-200578 in Sanaa important operations of meetings of al Qaeda are managed.

In the end of 1998 investigators found this apartment. At this time they searched for the head organizer of the bomb attacks on the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania together with the FBI. Immediately after the attacks a first interesting trace was found after in London via fax a letter was received the author of which claimed responsibility for the attacks.

Within hours it was possible to identify the sender. The fax came from an extension in Baku, Azerbaijan. From there a direct trace led to al-Midhar’s father in law in Yemen: Shortly after the attacks he was phoned in Sanaa. This seemed to be suspicious to the CIA, they investigated the owner of the extension and since then surveyed house and telephone. Shortly after the attacks on the US embassies a call from a satellite telephone was directed to this extension. The CIA had already before assigned this satellite telephone to Osama bin Laden. Since then at the latest it was clear to the CIA that this telephone extension was a “hot wire” to the leading group of al Qaeda.

Hustle and bustle

In December 1999 CIA agents registered hustle and bustle in the conspiratorial apartment of al-Midhar’s father in law. Parts of recorded phone calls made it clear that a high-ranking chief of operations of al Qaeda wanted to meet other terrorists of the organization. A “Khalid” and a “Nawaf” should also participate in the meeting. In Langley it was supposed that these two were also important members of al Qaeda who had an appointment with their commander in order to prepare an attack.

At first, however, it was impossible for the agents on site to find out the complete names of the two men. But, soon, they could identify at least “Khalid”, a Saudi, in his mid-20es, with black hair and slight mustache. The man is watched at once: It was al-Mihdhar.

But only when al-Mihdhar traveled to Malaysia the CIA could find out his complete identity. During a passport control at the airport his passport was copied without al-Mihdhar’s knowledge. This was how the CIA got his photo and his personal data. His complete name is Khalid bin Muhammad bin Abdallah al-Mihdhar, born in 1975 in Saudi Arabia. Horrified the agents noticed: The man already possessed a valid US visa. They must accept the possibility that he will use the visa in order to enter the US and prepare or commit a terror attack.

Langley, January 6, 2000

Soon after al-Midhar’s arrival in Kuala Lumpur the local CIA resident sends an email to the headquarters in Langley: “Khalid identified. Arrived in Malaysia”. The information is passed on immediately to the Counter terrorist Center. The CTC has a huge database. It contains every relevant piece of information relating to the topic “terror” from the last two decades.

The living legend of Langley

The special department was founded already in 1986. For almost one year it is has been headed by Cofer Black, a veteran of counter terrorism. Black has the reputation of a living legend in Langley. During his long career as CIA agent he was assigned to Sudan from 1993 to 1995. In this time he had an important role in the arrest of Carlos, the Jackal. The man from Venezuela was then the most-wanted terrorist in the world. For more than 20 years the paid killer had been able to escape his hunters while he worked for several dictators and despots – until Black found him in Khartoum.

At this time Osama bin Laden was in Khartoum also. He gathered former Mujaheddin from Afghanistan around him. The activities of the Saudi multimillionaire aroused the interest of Cofer Black who had to leave Sudan shortly afterwards. Supposedly Osama bin Laden had given the order to murder the CIA agent. Black at least likes to tell the story that “the guys of this Osama bin Laden just wanted to kill me.”

Generally Black likes dramatic stories. “We are at war”, he declares, following his boss’ memorandum, and adds: “We from the CTC know that. Therefore we give everything we have. We, the CIA, are the spearhead of the US to fight the terror threat. We are ready to do this brutal job.”

Facts hinting at attacks

In the public Black openly underscores the dangers of terrorism. During a committee meeting of the House of Representatives he indicated to the shock of many representatives that Osama bin Laden was already preparing attacks in the US. Cofer Black orders that he will be informed continually of the operation in Malaysia. Tenet, the CIA director, is informed as well.

The operation is a matter for the executives. Black and Tenet know that among the terrorists in Kuala Lumpur are those with a valid US visa which they can use to freely enter the US, if they are not put on a watch list at once and State Department, Immigration authorities, FBI and Customs are informed.

But the FBI gets only incomplete information about the operation in Malaysia. “The operation is still going on”, writes the CIA liaison officer in an email to his contact person of the FBI. “Until now, many suspicious activities were watched. But no evidence was found that indicated a coming attack or criminal acts” he writes and promises: “If relevant information is available, the CIA will report”. The CIA does not disclose the fact that among the terrorists in Malaysia someone has a valid US visa.

Kuala Lumpur, January 7, 2000

Sometimes al-Midhar and his accomplices leave the apartment in Bandar Sungai Long and are driven by a Malaysian representative of al Qaeda to Kuala Lumpur to shop. This is a good possibility for the Malaysian security officials who support the CIA in Malaysia to photograph the terrorists. Like normal tourists they stroll through the city and are impressed by the Petronas twin towers, the tallest buildings in the world. Sometimes they visit an internet café where they spend hours at the computers.

Surveillance operation of the CIA

After the terrorists leave Malaysia on January 8, 2000, the Malaysian security service hands the results of the three day surveillance operation over to the CIA. Part of the material are photos that show “the one-legged” together with al-Midhar, and snap shots of Binalshibh. On January 9 the CIA analysts in Langley have every piece of information of the Malaysian operation, including photos and names of participants of the terror summit. One of the participants is the Saudi Nawaf al-Hazmi, a school day friend of al-Midhar, who already fought in Bosnia and had sworn a vow of fidelity to Osama bin Laden in an Afghan training camp.

But by this time the terrorists have disappeared in all directions.

Matter finished

The Malaysian security staff is astonished. They had learned nothing from the CIA about the real background of the operation. But they are faced by the problem of al Qaeda themselves and knew what the matter was. For a long time they've known that the terror organization has a working network in the southeast Asian area and even its own training camps.

The security service offers to the American agents to survey the Malaysian representative after the departure of the foreign terrorists. Perhaps the rented flat in Bandar Sungai Long was used for further conspirative al Qaeda meetings. But the CIA agents refuse. In Langley they have “decided to view the matter as finished.”



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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-04 10:19 AM
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30. I am glad if I can contribute
I find your research highly valuable.
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Dancing_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-04 06:11 PM
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31. And then there's ANDREAS VON BUELOW
I'd to see more of Andreas von Buelow's research of 9/11 and the CIA translated. Buelow served as the German Federal Prosecuter in a German intelligence scandal case a bit like our own Iran/Contra affair in the '80's. Buelow also served as Germany's Minister of Research and Technology, and was a representative in the parliament of the German Federal Republic for years.

Prior to 9/11, he had already published a book critical of the secretive, deceptive and treacherous manipulations of intelligence agencies, called "In The Name Of The State".

He's certainly one of the best qualified 9/11 researchers going -- but all his stuff is in German!
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-19-04 06:55 AM
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33. Yes, but...
He certainly is knowledgeable and has a good background. However, after reading parts of his 9/11 book, I have the impression that he mostly compiled other sources and that in his 9/11 book only few ideas or results can be found that are unique.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-04 03:30 AM
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35. 2nd part?
Paul,

if you still did not get the 2nd part translated: I could do that within the next three weeks. I suppose that reorg already did some parts of if. Did you send him an email?
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-04 04:16 AM
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36. Thanks for the offer
I sent reorg an email about this about 24 hours ago, haven't heard back yet. Let's give reorg a little more time to respond.
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 05:03 AM
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37. sorry for the delay
Hi,

I'm about half way through - for more than two weeks. Since then, however, I had other things to do in my spare time!

But I'm on holidays now and I think I'll be done with the translation tomorrow.

Sorry again for having you waiting!



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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 06:23 AM
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38. Thanks
I look forward to reading it.

Gandalf, if you have some translating energy, as I mention on another thread, this one could also use translating:

http://www.abendblatt.de/daten/2004/01/27/255550.html

Luckily it's not nearly as long as these Stern monsters.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 07:12 AM
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39. Yes, I will do that
in the next few days. It is really not that much.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 04:43 PM
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41. Translation done (Hamburger Abendblatt)
Hamburger Abendblatt, January 29, 2004

New reproaches against Wellinghausen

By Jens Meyer-Wellmann

After his dismissal in August former senior official in the Hamburg state administration Walter Wellinghausen (59) apparently did not give back his police ID card and a high-explosive file. A handbook, only for official use, is lacking as well since Wellinghausen left. This information is contained in the answer of the Senator of the Interior to an information request made by the expert for interior politics of the Social Democrats, Michael Neumann (33). The validity of Wellinghausens police ID card had been already cancelled in August, however.

A bigger problem is that the classified file is still lacking. The file is said to contain an exact chronology of the knowledge of the intelligence agency before September 11, 2001 about the people living in Hamburg who should later become the terrorists. This information is not only politically explosive, it plays an important role in the conflict with US agencies that charge the Hamburg intelligence services with negligence. Piquant: Wellinghausens former law firm is representing the Syrian Mamoun Darkazanli who is said to be well acquainted with the September 11 terrorist Mohammed Atta.

The lack of the handbook is seen as critical by the authority of the Interior as well, because it prescribes how undercover informants should behave while investigating organized crime. Wellinghausens former law firm often represented clients from this scene

People in close contact with the senator for Interior Affairs, Dirk Nockemann, say Nockemann has warned Ronald Schill over and over of possible conflicts of interests if he made Wellinghausen a senior official in his authority. Yes, I thought that problematical, says Nockemann today.

Wellinghausen himself thinks himself not guilty. He had reported the loss of the ID card. He knew nothing of the file and the handbook, and he had not been questioned in this matter, he said this newspaper. The authority said it had asked Wellinghausen to return the things but he had not reacted.
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medienanalyse Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-29-04 05:12 PM
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42. fine work, gandalf
Edited on Thu Jan-29-04 05:13 PM by medienanalyse
as my active English is poor and my time is limited I appreciate very much when somebody else helps Paul in translating articles.

The "stern" ones wont produce much information I predict, ewings and my findings are more to the point. But I understand that Paul needs all that to fill it into his timeline. All the best to all of you!
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-30-04 02:51 AM
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43. thanks
I forwarded that to the 9/11 widows - maybe they'll pass it on to some journalists and rescue this weird story from obscurity. Very curious, just like just about anything having to do with 9/11!
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:09 PM
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44. translations
Reorg,
Still waiting to hear from you.

Meanwhile, here's another one I'm told by MA would be good to translate:

http://www.jungewelt.de/2004/02-03/016.php

Can anyone help with that?
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medienanalyse Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-04-04 06:20 AM
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45. I put it into the language tools of google and
Edited on Wed Feb-04-04 06:31 AM by medienanalyse
got this result. (just took the whole URL into the tool)

If I would translate it it might be slightly better , but isnt this good enough to get the sense? I think so. My proposal is to take the machine translation and to ask me or others for single sentences which are really not intelligible only. Best with the quote itself.

Because of the rules her I only quote the last part.

>>>F: Ramzi Binalshibh, the alleged wire-puller 11 September, is to have been the anonymous source Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations.

Nobody did not see, whether the USA arrested it at all, it white. Much speaks for it that he is an CIA agent, in whose name statements depending upon requirement is presented. When the judges pushed in the Mzoudi procedure on it, entrance to this witness too gotten, took place in October 2003 therefore an official meeting between petrols Schily and the US Minister Tom Ridge. On 23 October before court a letter from the Office of the Federal Chancellor was read out, in which this refused the passing on of alleged Binalshib statements to the court? one stands opposite Washington in the word. Schily flew at the beginning of of December 2003 to US Minister of Justice John Ashcroft, in order to turn the worst away: That by a court it was officially certified that the expiration 11.9., the main complicity of Atta and CO as well as the Nebentaeterschaft Mzoudis are not provable. Thereupon the Federal Bureau of Criminal Investigations tinkered a fax together, which relieved Mzoudi, without letting the general failure of evidence for the main act fly up.

F: Failure of evidence for which main act?

Mzoudi is accused of of the aid for Atta. But Atta was a suicide pilot? It is not proven even that it sat in one of the terror airplanes. Nothing is clear, up to one: If it concerns proofs, we have obviously a state affair. The key to it is acting the secret services in that Hamburg Marienstrasse before that 11.9. Overview minutes of the procedures at that time let go along according to Hamburg evening papers the geschasste Hamburg interior Council of State Wellinghausen.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 04:50 AM
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46. Reorg, still there?
Hi reorg,
Looks like you won't be finishing the translation? Could you send me what you completed, in any case? Perhaps Gandalf could finish it off. What do you think, Gandalf?
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-04 05:11 AM
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47. Yes, good idea
Perhaps you can send him an email, too, in case he doesn't browse our conspiracy forum too often.

I would do the rest of the translation.

BTW: Do you know if the Family Steering Committee alerted the German Press about the commission's work, the questions they would like Bush to answer, and so on? Because the German newspapers ignore this completely.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 08:53 AM
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48. Reorg?
Hi Gandalf, I sent reorg an email a couple days ago and still haven't heard from him. I think it's safe to say that it would be good if you could start translating this article. It would be much appreciated.

I don't know about the families and the German press. If you have some good German media contacts, pass them on and I can pass them to the key families.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 07:31 AM
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49. Translation, media contacts
Hi Paul, I will do the translation, however I will need around three weeks or so. I will start at the end, so if reorg sent his part, I would not have done unnecessary work.
But I will certainly deliver my work in March.

Media contacts: I will send you some contact information. The German press really completely ignore the commission and the fact that there are still "a few open questions" regarding 9/11, and that should be changed.

The Steering Committee could perhaps suggest an interview or at least make the foreign correspondents of the German media aware of their presence and their questions.
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medienanalyse Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 11:27 AM
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50. Why don`t we all go the easy way?
that is:
step #1: to use the google or altavista machine translation
step #2: Paul - or other investigators - point on the paragraphs which are not comprehensible
step'3: gandalf or I or whoever translates just only that part

It is a damn hard job to translate from a foreign language to your own. Even harder is to translate our of your mother tongue into the other language, But hardest is: to do that with articles in which 80 or 90 percent are not so important that they need to be translated.

My perception, Paul, is that you need the overview about what is going on in Germany and additionally some good sentences for your timeline. This you could achieve by the way proposed above.

I am waiting just now for a big Q&A-text between the oppositional CDU and our government which might contain explosive material, because the CDU asked for causes of a big "tourist"transfer in 2000/2001 from Afghanistan to Germany via Kiev, which was improved by special regulations by Fischers ministry office. You will get the hot info in this forum.(just got the 50questions this moment)

Hot as well was what I wrote some days ago in thgis forum but otherthread, which seems to not have been noticed:

1 - I agree with Jack about the Genova "warning". I did not see and hear that in the German press, I only read about the well known preparedness in Genova with Stingers.
To contradict Condoleezza you only need to know about the preparations in the Pentagon or in Langley concerning aircraft vs. buildings. In the Pentagon the medical staff was already prepared for a Boeing 757, as the medical Journal wrote about an exercise in MAy 2001. see: http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/rumsfeld.html

There is no need for a Genova story.

2. >>>...if the hijackers in Hamburg actually did consort with any neo-Nazis. There are some mentions in the press of the hijackers when living in Florida being seen by eyewitnesses with white guys who only spoke German, for whatever that's worth.<<<

These are the findings of Daniel Hopsicker, and his book is coming up soon.madcowprod brought the videoclip in january showing Amanda Keller, Attas girlfriend, reporting about a "Jrgen" and a "Steffen". We will learn more in only some weeks.

3. >>>the hijackers in Hamburg<<<<
you mean the alleged hijackers in Hamburg? I can only state they were approached by the CIA, Mr. Thomas Volz in person, and by the "Verfassungsschutz" (German internal secret service, BfV). They approached Darkazanli and got one more at least for sure. My guess is: Binalshiv is CIA.

Concerning BfV: they infiltrated the neonazi NPD so much that our highest court could not forbid that party. It was inseparable from the BfV. The boss of the BfV is Mr. Schily, our minister for the interior. Schily as well as Schroeder were colleagues and friends with Mr. Horst Mahler who is main Neonazi today, but in former times was as the other the lawyer of the terrorists of the 70s (RAF). When Mahler consorted with the terrorists himself, his lawyers were Schily and later Schrder. Now he (Mahler)is top Neo-Nazi. Schroeder got another job - to launch wars, to visit Bush and so on. Schily likes to meet Ridge and Ashcroft.

More important than these old storys is the infiltration of criminals, prostitutes and terrorists via Kiev in 2000 and 2001. The number of "tourists" getting a visa in the German embassy in Kiev increased by 150.000 p.a..Caused by some special regulations made by our foreign minister Fisher - and a businessman, an old friend of Fisher, who sold special papers which wee recognized by the embassy. Same as with Saudis coming from Jeddah to Florida. Both groups of Arabs were trained in Afghanistan. Two "tourists" were already denounced by the Russian FSB to the Germans, but they could come. Later in 2002 they are sid to be preparing the Moscow musical thatre incident.

All this is already part of the parliamentary inquiry, the opposition party CDU had 50 questions about that "torist"service which also served the needs of the Balkan terrorists.

more including links in
http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/spezialisten.html

So my point is: it is less neo-nazi than government involvement. There is a German lead and it should be there. It was placed to involve German politics in the PNAC.
BTW this sunday there are elections in Hamburg which is a state in itself. The extreme rightwing Senators coming from the socalled Schill-party have a good chance to stay in office because they inherited all the knowledge about the secret service involvement before 911. The police president Wellinghausen who had to resign last year "forgot" to give back the main document about the activities of the secret services before 911. It seems to be kind of life insurance.

In Germany people die in bath tubes, by heart attacks - and not in plane crashs like in America. Which makes a difference.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 03:21 PM
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51. Re: Translation
Edited on Tue Mar-02-04 03:22 PM by gandalf
You're right about the amount of work the translation requires.

However, one argument for the complete translation: Even in passages of the machine-translated text that seem meaningless at first glance might be interesting details. Naturally I could do a summary, but I might miss some points the importance of which I misjudged.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-02-04 11:22 PM
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52. Yes
One needs the whole story translated well, not just the highlights. The translation is hardly just for me - when it's up in the timeline hopefully some people will take the time to read the whole article.

If reorg is still around, hopefully he'll see this and still send on what he's done already to you, Gandalf.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:46 AM
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53. Started the translation of part 2
But I started at the end. I did 44% of the stuff, rest will follow.
For a first look at the uncorrected version:
http://de.geocities.com/heino_x27dd/stern2.html
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-08-04 07:20 AM
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54. First version is ready
I only have ro read it again and make some corrections. I will do that this evening, so the final result will be ready by March 9, 9am GMT.

Here it is.
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paulthompson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-11-04 11:45 PM
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55. Thanks!
Thanks a lot Gandalf, I got it. Let me know if you do more changes. Looks like it'll be interesting reading.

I assume I should credit you as Gandalf, like the first one?

I wonder what happened to reorg.
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gandalf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-12-04 04:51 AM
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56. You're welcome, Paul
Edited on Fri Mar-12-04 04:55 AM by gandalf
No more changes from my side.
Perhaps you want to change some things to improve readability (or to de-germanize it). Credit gandalf, please.

I cannot understand either what happened to reorg.. It can be that he hasn't time to translate anything, but he could just answer your mail accordingly.
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