simplistic questions about 9-11

[bobbieinok]

If official story of flight 93 is false - 'cellphones don't work,' etc.

....What happened to the plane?

If plane did not hit the pentagon, what happened to the people who were on the plane?

[Flightful]

1. It was stolen by the Rockefellers

They're using it to transport their alien friends.

[MsUnderstood]

2. Flight 93 Timeline

http://www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/main/flight93.html

[MercutioATC]

8. Input about that link...

I don't have the hours necessary to pick the entire thing apart, so I'll just stick to the "Points to keep in mind when you read the below:"


Para 1: "The scrambling (sending into the air) of fighter aircraft at the first sign of trouble is a routine phenomenon. During the year 2000, there are 425 "unknowns""

Two issues here...first, there are thousands of "unknowns" by their definition, possibly only 425 were reported in 2000. Secondly, as "routine" as it may be, I have worked at the busiest facility on the face of the planet for over 12 1/2 years and have NEVER seen jets scrambled to intercept a civilian aircraft...even ones that accidentally overflew restricted airspace.


Para 4: "Pilots are supposed to hit each fix with pinpoint accuracy. If a plane deviates by 15 degrees, or two miles from that course, the flight controllers will hit the panic button. They’ll call the plane, saying 'American 11, you’re deviating from course.' It’s considered a real emergency, like a police car screeching down a highway at 100 miles an hour."

Heeeheehee! Absolute bunk. There are days when winds are strong that EVERY non-area-navigation-equipped aircraft I work miss fixes by 3-4 miles and are 15 degrees off between fixes. Even when the wind isn't an issue, we don't expect anything like "pinpoint accuracy". This really is just pure tripe.


Para 6: "In October <2002>, Gen. Eberhart told Congress that 'now it takes about one minute' from the time that the FAA senses something is amiss before it notifies NORAD. And around the same time, a NORAD spokesofficer told the Associated Press that the military can now scramble fighters 'within a matter of minutes to anywhere in the United States.'"

Since we've established that being off course or losing radio contact is a regular occurrence, we usually DON'T feel that "something is amiss". However, If I, as a controller DO feel something's wrong, I tell my supervisor, who may or may not take a minute or two to get to me. He, then, calls the watch desk, which will look the situation over and determine what they think. If the watch feels action is merited, they contact the Command Center, who looks at the situation and makes their own determination. THEN NORAD gets called. I love the quote about having fighters scrambled "in a matter of minutes"...do the pilots sleep in the jets? Figure at very least 10 minutes between the "something amiss" and NORAD notification and another 10 minutes to get jets in the air...another 5 minutes (at least) to reach the suspicious aircraft. 25 minutes. How far can a commercial airliner traveling at 450k go in 25 minutes? About 200 miles. That's a BEST case scenario.

My point is that there ARE valuable questions to be asked, but the waters are only muddied by misinterpretations of existing procedures and how they're applied. Are there inconsistencies that should be examined? Yes. Should somebody who's going to devote major effort to publishing a "Flight 93 Timeline" at least check some of their facts before sensationalizing certain aspects of the day to fit a preconceived theory? Absolutely.

[LARED]

9. Your help is needed here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=6265

please take a moment to look it over and see if you can make any sense out of it.

Thank you.

[MercutioATC]

10. Done. I'm betting that the "Gate 32" thing wasn't meant for AA11,

but I'd have to hear the tape to know.

This really is much ado about nothing, though. What difference could it POSSIBLY make?

[LARED]

11. Thanks for your help

and I agree it's much to do about nothing.

[LARED]

3. Mixed up?

Cell phones do work in flight. They just don't work all the time under all conditions

Flight 93 crashed into the ground in Penn. It was not near the Pentagon.

The people on flight 93 died. The families took the remains and did what all people do with the remains of family members.

[Bolo Boffin]

4. But bobbie has a good point

Bobbie's questions are for the Flight 93 alternative flight paths supporters.

Since they believe anything other that Flight 93 (along with all passengers) was hijacked and crashed into that Pennsylvania field, bobbie's pointing out that those people and that plane must be somewhere.

Sadly, bobbie, you will only get the standard deflection of this concern. They can't be bothered with loose ends like this - that's the concern of the multi-level pervasive governmental conspiracy that they believe to be uncovering. They don't have sensible answers to your questions, and thus feel it unsporting to be made to consider them.

[LARED]

5. Wow

The power of "If." I read "The" official story.....rather than If official story.....

My apologies to bobbie.

[bobbieinok]

6. Actually, I was thinking of 2 questions, 2 planes

1. flight 93

....I guess the question is - if the official story is not true and the passengers didn't revolt (with or without the pilot passenger), was the plane shot down?

2. If no plane crashed into the pentagon, what happened to the people who were on that flight?


I personally tend to LIHOP or 'Either they knew it or they blew it' (a bit more to LIHOP), but my problems with the 'official story' don't involve flight 93 or the 'plane and the pentagon.'

[SheilaT]

7. There were also working

inflight phones on the planes. The phones have since been removed.