I've been thinking about this MIHOP scenario for a while now

[jmowreader]

When we talk MIHOP (new DUers: MIHOP is one of two scenarios that suggest the Bush administration helped bring on the events of 9/11. These scenarios are LIHOP, or "let it happen on purpose," in which the administration knew al Qaeda was going to attack the United States and did nothing; and MIHOP, or "make it happen on purpose," in which the administration arranged the attack.) we seem to enjoy talking about remote-controlled jetliners and other fanciful setups.

All the BFEE (Bush family evil empire) would really need to pull off MIHOP are:

a telephone
and a traitor to his country with it pressed against the side of his head.

Osama bin Laden got his start as a Reagan administration tool for removing the Soviet Army from Afghanistan, and Bush's administration is full of Reaganesque tools. It's not inconceivable that someone working for Bush has Osama's phone number.

Scenario follows:

In 1998, the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) unsuccessfully lobbied President Clinton to invade Iraq. This part is confirmed.

//My turn...//
After President Clinton turned PNAC down, one of Osama's contacts in the BFEE called the Middle East. "We're going to steal the 2000 presidential election because we want to implement a government we like. We're going to need your help. If you could pick a handful of targets in the US and attack them after we've taken office, we will pull our forces out of Saudi Arabia and we won't do anything to you." Osama's goal has long been the removal of the largely non-Muslim US Army from Saudi Arabia, a country that contains the holy cities of Mecca and Medina, and which normally allows no non-Muslim entry, so naturally he'd like this.

Al Qaeda is Arabic for "the base." It's not a terrorist organization like the Abu Nidal Organization, Red Army Faction, Baader-Meinhof Gang, Operation Rescue or any other "traditional" terror group; it's just a computer database containing the names and contact information for a couple thousand people who have skills he can use. In this case, Osama decided to have airliners hijacked and flown into the sides of the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and another building--probably the United States Capitol. Osama went to "the base" and found four people who could fly airplanes. They have airlines and air forces in Islamic countries, as well as many business-jet operators, and undoubtedly some of those pilots hate America enough to die attacking her. He decided he needed 19 people to pull this off. He got four pilots, four people who can barely drive cars, and eleven others. The four who can't drive went to American flight schools, where they proved they can't fly either.

After Osama backbriefed his BFEE contact, the BFEE told him to have the pilots who would fly into the WTC hit the towers in a certain range of floors. These floors were chosen because the BFEE worked men into the WTC to set cutting charges in the floor system at the lowest level of the range the BFEE specified. (Please note that when Controlled Demolition is hired to implode a building they work very hard to minimize or eliminate damage to surrounding structures. For the purposes of this exercise, if they managed to drop the top thirty floors of one of the towers onto another building that would be a bonus.) Call them maintenance workers there to do a "preventive maintenance service" or whatever. Please note: they rigged one floor. That would have been plenty--clip out one foot from each upright, and when the floors above the breach start moving they'll pull the whole building down.

Come the day of the attack, the president is reading storybooks to second graders. The military is running exercises simulating exactly what Osama's men are prepared to do. Bush has stood down the military--they require presidential authority to scramble fighters since August 2001. When the planes are hijacked, two men take over the cabins: the flight-school washouts in the left seats, and the real pilots in the right seats actually flying the planes. The mission goes off almost without a hitch, except that the passengers regain control of Flight 93 and Cheney has it shot down.

After the WTC has been burning for an hour or so, the BFEE detonates the charges in the WTC and turns it into rubble. This does a couple of things, key among them being a lot of dead New Yorkers. (Don't believe that Bush went for the WTC because it was "full of Democrats." Investment banks, the WTC's major tenant class, are full of Republicans.) The other thing it does is conceals the fact that someone who flies better than Mohammed Atta--most people do--was actually flying the airplane.

To sum up: the BFEE asked Osama to blow up some landmarks in the US, Osama has airplanes flown into said landmarks. The Bushies blow up the biggest one...and they live happily ever after.

[MsKandice01]

1. This post will be moved into the 9/11 Dungeon in 3, 2, 1....

[Taxloss]

2. MIHOP and LIHOP are not the only two scenarios, as you suggest.

I personally favour LIHTI - Let it happen through incompetence.

[chimpymustgo]

3. K & R. MADE it happen.

Just think about it. What came before. What happened that day. What came after.

MIHOP.

[Cults4Bush]

13. Which is essentially the official story, right? n/t

[bpilgrim]

16. that doesn't explain the buildings falling in their own footprints

fyi

peace

[Laurab]

18. I used to favor that one

but reading about it makes it highly unlikely. The level of incompetence that would be necessary for ALL the failures of standard operating procedures, combined with the actions of the present administration, both on that day and after (where they tried to block any attempt to actually investigate), made me change my mind.

Aside from that, incompetence is normally not rewarded, and no one has been reprimanded in any way for their incompetence that day. The people who have been reprimanded have been the ones who have spoken out, the ones who have tried to investigate...it just doesn't add up. As hard as it was for me to believe that a government could do something like that to its own country, I finally do believe it, and I hate the fact that I do.

[progressoid]

21. I Agree.

But that's not very exciting. Gotta put some 007/x-files in there to make it sexy.

[Delphinus]

4. I was never sold on the "official story" ...

too much of a conspiracy theorist myself. However, after watching David Ray Griffin and reading his book, learning so many new things, there's no way I can think that it wasn't at least a LIHOP, if not truly MIHOP. In fact, it's time for another one, so this lying misadministration can go after Iran.

[FreedomAngel82]

7. Yep

IHOP. It happened on purpose. Go to http://www.informationclearinghouse.info and watch "Loose Change." Also go to http://www.reopen911.org and watch their video's.

[Old and In the Way]

5. Bush and bin Laden...a co-enabling, totally dysfunctional couple

Really, both needs the other to justify their power. Bush creates terrorists for Osama who, in turn, create the GWOT that is actual a domestic war on the majority of Americans. Congress needs to send Bush a new resolution. His 'War on Terror' is over...and so is his power grab.

[Junkdrawer]

6. Imagine the Saudi Royals and the BFEE were partners...

Now imagine the Saudis had this "asset" called al Qaeda that they were paying off to stay out of their country.

It's now not too hard to imagine the Saudis being able to "arrange" any attack you could think of.

BTW: Bob Graham, who sat on the Senate Select Intelligence Committee has shown that the Saudis had several of the 9-11 hijackers on their payroll. This is not just tinfoil, it's just not widely discussed.

[FreedomAngel82]

8. Right

And than the whole thing with Atta and Abramoff that was posted yesterday I believe. Very strange there too. I also remember on CNN's archives there's a reporter who interviewed BinLadin not long after 9/11 happened and BinLadin denied doing anything with 9/11. Muslims don't believe in harming women and/or children. :shrug: I've also read that Al-Quadeia was in non-existance until 2001.

[AntiFascist]

29. This is not widely discussed either...

The fact that Bush had business relations with the Bin Ladins in the past, and the fact that monies were provided to Osama by his family and Saudis even after Al Qaida started to become active:

http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/conspiracytheories/saudi.html

[FogerRox]

9. excellent piece-- I agree

KISS theorem. Saudi Air Force pilots. Far easier, no complicated plan that HAS TO go right every step of the way.

[soulcore]

10. k&r

Because this is all too true. Look at the evidence from that day. It’s all there in the photos, video, and the investigation that never happened.

Where are the flight data recorders? How did a kerosene-based fire melt steel to molten pools for months after the collapse? Where is the wreckage from the Pentagon? Why were none of the planes reconstructed? Why are several of the hijackers still alive? What brought down wtc7 and why does it look like a controlled demolition? Why haven't they released the video of whatever hit the Pentagon or the air traffic control tapes? Why was the steel immediately shipped off and melted instead of being preserved and analysed as is the law in a case like this? Why did the secret service not immediately secure the president when it was cleat there was an attack underway, and why did he fly around the country all day and meat with Mr. Buffet at other at an air force base?

*edited to ask the questions on my mind.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Great post and I agree with every word of it. MIHOP.

No doubt in my mind.

[bloom]

12. I agree

that the way the connections are what they are - it wouldn't have taken much...


Plus you have the FBI, etc. warned off certain people's trails.

[The Doctor.]

14. It may seem far-fetched...

But much of it lines up with some other stuff.

I love how Rummy slipped a couple of times and talked about flight 93 being 'shot down'... "Er... Uh, I mean... 'went' down."

But I am cuious...

Are you saying that as of August 2001 the military couldn't scramble without Presidential orders?
How did that come about?

[jmowreader]

17. That's one of the things the Bush boy did after hearing the PDB

Again: the August 6, 2001, Presidential Daily Brief was titled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within US."

Bush didn't "do nothing" as many have speculated after he heard the PDB--he actively made it more difficult for the Air Force to go up and get the bastards. He signed an executive order demanding the Air Force get approval from the National Command Authority (which, on 9/11/01, was sitting in a classroom in Florida impersonating the First Lady) before scrambling in response to an aircraft straying outside its filed flight plan.

[peanutbrittle]

15. The INS had to cover them while they were here

As far as I can tell this case has been granted appeal?

It would appear, much like Sibel Edmonds this woman has been gagged. See the document dated March of 2005.

MARY SCHNEIDER,

Appellant,

v.

DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY,

Agency.


DOCKET Number

AT-0752-03-0875-I-1

DATE: March 30, 2005

http://www.mspb.gov/decisions/2005/schneider_at030875i1 ...


&


Whistleblower

FACT: Prior Knowledge of 9-11

Federal Whistleblower on
Extensive TREASONOUS Briberies
and Cover Up Conspiracies
Feds Aiding and Abetting Illegal Muslims
The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals will hear public oral argument in

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_whistleblower.htm

[gristy]

19. Sorry, dude. This is where I stopped reading:

These floors were chosen because the BFEE worked men into the WTC to set cutting charges in the floor system at the lowest level of the range the BFEE specified.

[arikara]

20. Can't recommend this anymore

its relegated to the dungeon. Good post though.

[leftofthedial]

22. MIHOP

was my feeling while the buildings were burning

PNAC's "Pearl Harbor-type event" was my first thought.

Then, the bushgang started playing politics immediately. It was clear they had planned for this and had a gameplan in place ready to execute.

Then King George sat there reading the goat book . . .

MIHOP

MIHOP

MIfuckingHOP

[eridani]

23. My problem with MIHOP

These floors were chosen because the BFEE worked men into the WTC to set cutting charges in the floor system at the lowest level of the range the BFEE specified. (Please note that when Controlled Demolition is hired to implode a building they work very hard to minimize or eliminate damage to surrounding structures.

How many men? And why would every single one of them shut up about it afterwards? (The more people who were in on it, the more likely that the beans are going to get spilled.) How widespread is this skill anyway? I understand that the skill base for controlled demolition is not very large--would not BFEE have had to rely on people who were not insiders for this? Why would the military have the capability? They're very good at uncontrolled demolition, but do any of them have the high skill level necessary for controlled demolition?

A source indicating some of the prerequisites for a successful controlled demolition.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/boom22.shtml

But plenty of work must be done before the final date is marked on the calendar. At 7 a.m. tomorrow, crews will conduct a test blast on a portion of the Dome, allowing experts to determine how the concrete will react to explosives, including nitroglycerin-based dynamite.

<snip>

But the test blast is important because information derived from it will determine how much explosive to load in the 6,000 or so holes that have been drilled into the Dome, said Pete Pedersen, a spokesman representing firms working on the implosion.

"It helps you with proper loading density," explained Douglas Loizeaux of Controlled Demolition Inc., the Maryland-based company that has been hired to demolish the Seattle sports stadium, which opened in 1976 and has become a fixture of the Seattle skyline.

In CDI's implosion of a doctors' building in Fort Worth, Texas, on Sunday, a test blast two days before revealed something that caught demolition crews by surprise: Several concrete pillars in the 60,000-square- foot building had steel spirals and rebar in them.

So the crews had to cut into and weaken the columns and, in some cases, add more explosives.

[SupplyConcerns]

24. Why explosives in WTC1 and 2 at all??

This is what I don't understand. The entire story you've outlined in the initial post still works just fine... just cut out the unneccesary theorizing about explosives or similar weakening sabatoge taking place in the WTC. Is it so hard to imagine that the planes brought down the buildings? It was unprecedented.

[eridani]

25. True for WTC1 and WTC2

But WTC7 is a major problem. The proposal that some on the thread have made is that
1. Debris tore a chunk out of one side of it
2. The other side bulged out due to imbalance

So far, so good, Why, then, didn't it fall away from the bulge and in the direction of the torn-out part? And then there's that tape of the owner in which he clearly says to "pull" the building.

[jmowreader]

27. Explosives guarantee success

Let's say, just for the hell of it, that I was working for the BFEE--I'm not, but just for the hell of it let's say I was.

Osama comes in for the backbrief and tells me he's going to destroy the World Trade Center. I thank him and send him on his way.

I start looking at the plans for the WTC, and I realize that the building was designed to survive being flown into by a jetliner. (It was. That was in the original Port Authority specifications.)

I further realize that the building was designed with its main girders around the perimeter, and they're very good steel. The gas tanks on jetliners are in the wings, and the wings are aluminum...if you take an aluminum object and hit it against a steel object, the aluminum object will lose. Hence, most of the fuel in the plane is going to stay on the outside of the building where it will do me no good. Look at ANY picture of a plane hitting a tower, and you'll see a huge fireball against the surface of the building. All the energy of that fireball is going into heating up the air, not into weakening the tower.

Next, I know that I really want the tower to come straight down if I can pull it off. While destroying a 40-story building with a big hunk of the WTC might be fun, and it's certainly in line with the idea of a terror attack, the insurance companies are gonna be pissed if they have to pay on collaterally-damaged buildings and the more they have to pay in claims, the less they have to give to the Republican Party. Hence, the need to get the building to drop evenly. This REQUIRES that all 100 beams be damaged--and remember, most of them are around the edge of the structure. Look at the pictures of the WTC just before it collapsed. There are three sides that are undamaged. When the building dropped, all four sides came down evenly. Let's play with a couple of scenarios that don't require the use of explosives:

Scenario 1: the central core drops and pulls the building down with it. In this scenario, the undamaged beams will either be pulled into the building, or the floors will shear away from the beams and the undamaged beams will remain upright. That didn't happen--the beams came straight down.

Scenario 2: the damaged wall drops and pulls the rest of the building over onto it. This would definitely have given the BFEE its wish of maximum devastation, but the debris footprint would have been half a mile long. The structure would NOT have stayed within the confines of the WTC property. Once again, that didn't happen--the building came straight down. Yes, building materials did find their way offsite, but the whole structure did not.

Last comment: I know I want that fucking building gone. It took Osama bin Laden eight years to get the Soviets out of Afghanistan. The fucker tried blowing the WTC up once before and it didn't come down. Osama bin Laden, while he's our best and most reliable Islamic Terra Leader, does shoddy work. We can't have no shoddy work on this job. So we're going to help him out by blowing the shit out of the place.

What happened to the crews that did this? Come on, people, be reasonable. Didn't you ever see one of those movies where the bad guy hired a bunch of peons to set up something illegal? What happens to the peons after the job's set up? They get executed, right? And this job is in New York, where people disappear all the time. The BFEE wanted to murder five thousand people. The two dozen people who rigged the building to blow are nothing compared to that.

[eridani]

30. The bad guys and peons situation is strictly movie stuff AFAIK

Can you give me a real life example? 24 people is quite a few people to make vanish. Mostly, people are real blabbermouths.

Not that you aren't being reasonable here, but there are still plausibility holes.

[rman]

31. People don't blabber about what they don't know,

nor do they blabber about clandestine activities from which they benefit.

[eridani]

32. A random explosives handler benefits from 9-11?

How? I just can't wrap my mind around the fact that 24 people who have families would vanish without notice and not blab.

[rman]

33. In so far that an explosives handler knew - he'd be rewarded,

thus having reason not to talk.

[eridani]

34. What would someone have to tell you in order for you--

--to set a bunch of explosives that would get thousands killed? Probably that they were going to do it at night for the insurance, after they called in a bomb threat, right? Not like anybody could get rid of that much explosive power in a hurry, so it could be set off after the building was mostly evacuated before anyone could do anything to stop the blast. And then you saw that it was in full light of day and burning bodies were falling out of windows. Then what would you do? I'll bet a few would want to rat the perps out.

[MrSammo1]

38. It's amazing

the quiet a few million in small unmarked bills will create.

[jmowreader]

35. There are going to be holes because no one...

except for the BFEE really knows what happened.

I don't know. Maybe they got them from prison. They could take a couple dozen federal prisoners and train them to set charges, have them rig the building, then return them to a different prison. Spread around that they hate Mexicans or blacks, and they'll be shanked in the shower. I have been told you can get someone murdered in prison real cheap.

All this is theory and conjecture, but I really feel that they had to rig these buildings to blow if they wanted them to come down. There is no way in hell that a one-hose fire in a building with 40,000-square-foot floors is going to weaken enough of the beams in that building to allow it to fall straight down.

[dailykoff]

36. How about military personnel?

They're trained to follow orders and keep quiet about it. Or one of those dozen or so U.S. intelligence agencies that effectively operate without congressional oversight?

[jmowreader]

26. Controlled demolition was NOT the point

We keep going on and on about controlled demolition being used in the WTC attack. Forget controlled demolition because it wasn't necessary.

The art of controlled demolition has three goals:

* destroy the building in one blast because once you've set off the charges it's too dangerous to re-enter the structure. IIRC there was a controlled demolition in either 2004 or 2005 where the CD people did all their calculations, precisely set their charges, set off the shot and the building didn't come down. They had to finish the job with a wrecking ball.

* cause as little damage as possible to the surrounding structures. I have heard, but don't have a link for it, that in the 1970s a building in New York City was dropped without damaging the building that was touching it.

* use as little explosive as possible, both to help minimize damage to the surrounding structures and because explosives are expensive.

Of those things, what would matter to the BFEE? Destroying the building in one blast. That's it. Damage to surrounding structures wasn't taken into account because damaging the surrounding structures was okay. For God's sake, people, the whole intent of this exercise was to KILL PEOPLE. Human beings. Your fellow citizens. Given that CD crews don't even consider harming people an option--they normally get the cops to cordon off the area for fifteen or twenty blocks--and these guys were trying to rack up a body count, the other buildings in the area merit no consideration.

Also forget the idea that they wanted to minimize their explosives use. They're the BFEE, man, they've literally got all the money in the world. (Some of it they're just storing for other people.) They can afford to use all the explosive, and whatever explosive, they need to get the job done. They can put twice the charge at each blast point if they want.

At this point, the number of people with the requisite skill set broadens dramatically because it's just like blowing up a bridge. Every Special Forces soldier knows how to do it. Every combat engineer knows how to do it. Even I know how to do it. (For fear of the government shutting this site down for fomenting terrorism I won't describe it here, but if you e-mail me at [e-mail], I'll tell you how it's done. You will be shocked at how simple it really is.) The WTC was only 200 feet square, and there were only about 100 beams holding it up. Plus, the floors were designed so that a human could crawl around inside of them to work on the ducting, wiring, plumbing and other necessary mechanical systems. Say, a dozen guys in each tower, 10 minutes per beam, 10 minutes to crawl from one beam to the next...do the math, it's less than three hours to rig the whole place.

It's just like any other crime of violence: if you're not concerned with collateral damage, planning becomes much simpler. Let's say you wanted to whack Ahmad Chalabi. You know how he gets to work, when he leaves home, where his home and office are, and what route he takes between the two. If you just want to kill Chalabi and not harm anyone else, you've got to figure out a way to get past all his security and put a bullet in his head. If you don't mind killing innocent bystanders, just machinegun his security detail and blow his car away with antitank rounds.

[dailykoff]

37. Maybe not THE point, but a point.

Look at it this way: they wanted to get rid of seven obsolete buildings, and they got rid of exactly seven. (Deutsch Bank is another story.)

[rman]

28. it's like the mob;

"need-to-know-basis" - most people don't know much about what's going on, and those who do stand to gain from it in one way or another.
people who don't know have nothing to say, and those who gain from it have reason not to speak.