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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 04:48 PM
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Whoever controls your perception of reality controls you.
Edited on Sat Jan-07-06 04:59 PM by Beam Me Up
A version of the below was posted in this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x67175

LibertyorDeath suggested I put it in its own thread for others to read, which I've done below. It has been slightly modified from the original, hopefully to make it more clear.

Whoever controls your perception of reality controls you.

By controlling what you BELIEVE to be true, your motivation for action is also controlled.

Most people who directly experienced the events of 9/11, for example, were in a state of shocked horror not comprehending what could be happening. If you listen to radio programming from that day, for example, you'll often hear on the scene reporters exclaim, "Oh my God, this is unbelievable!" When the buildings collapsed, this was even more unbelievable. Even emergency workers on the scene could not believe their eyes. No one believed the towers could fall much less fall as they did. Those of us watching on television could not believe our eyes either.

And yet, obvoiously, they did "collapse." We've all seen the video footage over and over again--as we are told the EXPLANATION for this is that al Qaeda 'did it' by flying commercial airliners into them. Since some questioned how this, alone, could cause the "collapse" someone had to come up with the 'pancake' theory--something about support structures being weakened by heat from the fire and then giving way into a "collapse."

So the way it works is, something happens for which the mind seeks explanation. In instances like 9/11, explanation is provided by a government official wearing suit and tie or other uniform which is then taken up by the talking heads that repeat what was said more or less unquestioningly. This is then repeated over and over again so it becomes fixed in our minds as being "reality." From that point on, any statement that questions the officially accepted story is regarded as a "conspiracy theory" regardless of how little credibility the official story may have.

I've said it over and over again and I'll keep saying it:

1) Less evidence that Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda were responsible for the events of 9/11 has been presented by the Bush administration than has been presented to convince us and the world that Sadam Hussain had WMD. Less. Far less. And yet, most everyone "believes" the official story.

2) It is physically impossible for a steel frame building to collapse into a pile of rubble where the beams are severed in relatively neat, 30' long segments; where most EVERYTHING else (concrete, glass, plastic, aluminum, computers, body parts, etc.) is pulverized into a very fine silting dust; AND for there to be hot spots of molten steel in the sub-basements of the WTC for weeks afterward without the additional heat and energy generated from expertly placed and well timed explosives.

The official story is as physically impossible as apples floating in mid air after coming loose from the boughs that bore them. The potential energy in the mass of the structure being acted upon by gravity is quantitatively insufficient to produce these observed effects: Not merely bent and twisted but severed steel beams; finely pulverized internal matter; and extremely high heat at sub-basement levels. Many thousands of times the potential energy in the upper floors of the buildings would be required to produce these observed and recorded phenomena. The most logical explanation for that additional energy would be that explosives were used.

Explosives, of course, are NOT apart of the official story. Therefore, one can only conclude that the official story must be false. Once that is accepted the mind again is thrown back into that "Oh my God, this is unbelievable!" point of confusion, casting about for some "explanation." --A substitute theory to account for the events. Clearly, the towers did not "collapse" but were demolished right before our eyes. Eyewiteness on the scene at the time reported hearing massive explosions. Video footage also records these explosions before, during and after the collapses.

My point is: WE DO NOT KNOW WHO OR WHAT MADE THE EVENTS ON 9/11 HAPPEN. We do NOT know who was responsible. Moreover, It is not necessary to generate alternate theories absent a genuine investigation, complete with the power of subpoena. We have sufficient physical evidence to support the conclusion that the official story can not possibly be true. It is a fiction, just as the evidence for WMD was a fiction, and it is a fiction being used to justify curtailments of domestic civiliberties, launch TWO invasions of sovereign nations AND transfer unimaginably vast wealth from one sector of our society to another (hundreds of billions--mostly from our treasury to energy, military and paramilitary conglomerates--precisely the kind of folk who should NOT have it).

This, ladies and gentlemen, IS THE CRIME OF THE MILLINEUM. And if we do not rise up and hold accountable whoever is responsible for this deception, there can be no future worth living for any of us. If you let mass murderers and traitors have access to the Offices that control OUR OWN weapons of mass destruction, our own military--not to mention the other branches of government that are supposed to keep them in check--how long can it be before another tragedy, far worse than 9/11, befalls us? We've already lost one city, three sky scrapers and the respect of the civilized world due to their callous and spreading criminality. If we allow them to move forward with their Imperial agenda by attacking Iran with a "first strike nuclear option," for example, how long will it be before we are engaged in a fully declared--not only regional but GLOBAL World War? How long before even peaceful dissent is made unacceptable? How long before our entire society is put on a permanent military footing with martial law and a draft? How long before one of the other major world powers sees that WE are a threat to them and retaliates accordingly?

Your lives and the lives of everyone you know and love are at stake.


Since I assume this thread will invariably be removed from General Discussion and put in the 9/11 forum, let me invite those of you who find it of interest to come visit us down there in the dungeon. Yes, of course there is disagreement, but that's what this is all about, right? We're looking for irrefutable evidence that is easy for the average person to grasp. We've been lied to and this is far too important to ignore.

Thanks for reading,

BMU

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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 04:53 PM
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1. Kick and recommend..Thank you for posting this.... n/t
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:05 PM
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4. Thanks, converted_democrat!
:hi:
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converted_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:14 PM
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8. You're welcome..
I have always had my doubts about the official 9-11 story, but I had no idea that the official story was this far off. I didn't know any of this information.. Thank you for sharing it.

:hi:
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:03 PM
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2. Not alone, BMU
I've contended that the physics and chemistry of the 'official' story make absolutely no sense. Thanks for posting!
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:10 PM
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7. The official story is a LIE.
It is the MOTHER of all Bush/neocon lies. They are traitors and mass murderers. Even if the events were orchestrated by some black-op paramilitary (aka "terrorist") group, THEY have used it to enrich THEIR pockets an advance an Imperial agenda that is paving the way for a global war. They are, therefore, at a minimum accessories to mass murder after the fact.

It is a very dangerous situation.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:23 PM
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13. Yes......
They can also be called terrorists IMHO.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:04 PM
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3. Yes. And the fundamental question is whether or not your
evaluation processes are objective or subjective. It is imperative that one doesn't fabricate baseless notions about cause and effect.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:14 PM
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9. That is exactly right.
It is OK to say we do not know the answers to the most important questions of who, how and why. That is why we have a Department of Justice, why we have an FBI and other investigative agencies. What we need is for them to stop lying to us and begin a transparent, non partisan investigation using the plentiful forensic evidence available. And if those whose responsibility it is to investigate this matter will not do so, then they need to be replaced with people who will.
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:05 PM
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5. Many people
don't beleive the official version and I am one of them.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:19 PM
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11. Yes, our numbers are growing day by day.
Though these are the darkest times I've experienced in my near 60 years of living on this planet, I still believe that something incredibly good can yet come from this. What we need is a 'revolution' of awareness: We need to at long last see who the real enemies of peace and freedom are. They have been pitting us one against another along racial, sectarian, philosophical and economic lines for generations. It is time to end the madness and seek a new vision for what human civilization can be WITHOUT these war profiteering rat bastards.
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:06 PM
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6. Remember this: a crime's INCREDIBILITY is its best INVISIBILITY
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:16 PM
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10. Good point:
The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. -
Former FBI director J. Edgar Hoover
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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:23 PM
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12. bullsye Beam Me Up
Edited on Sat Jan-07-06 05:36 PM by McKenzie
Perception is everything but most people do not have the acuity to look critically at what is shoved in front of them. "Conspiracy Theorists" are, therefore, usually derided because the conventional wisdom is that anything left field is crazy and anything that challenges that wisdom is also, therefore, the febrile imaginings of nutters.

Well, I'm proud to be such a nutter. I keep my bullshit detector on high alert status when reading "alternative" explanations of certain events, of course. Nevertheless, it's prudent to separate "conspiracy" and "theory". Both words are nouns. A conspiracy is where two, or more people, collude to bring about certain events that would not normally be acceptable. A theory is just that. So if something out of the ordinary happens it might just be a conspiracy. We then look at the theories as to how that conspiracy could have been implemented. Science proceeds by applying theoretical models to explain real phenomena.

As for attempts to convince the sheeple that the official version must be correct...

The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth becomes the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph M. Goebbels

Just because someone believes that the official version is wrong does not, in any way, invalidate their beliefs.

On edit - People are frightened of dealing with reality when that reality shakes their belief system to the core. If they find out that the unbelievable turns out to be correct they can either deal with it or ignore it. Most choose to ignore it because accepting it requires them to accept it and then act accordingly. The real question is WTF was the NORAD system not able to order fighter jets to be scrambled as soon as the planes strayed off course? Wake up people...
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:33 PM
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14. Quotes:
Only the small secrets need to be protected. The big ones are kept secret by public incredulity. -- Marshall McLuhan

The size of the lie is a definite factor in causing it to be believed, for the vast masses of a nation are in the depths of their hearts more easily deceived than they are consciously and intentionally bad. The primitive simplicity of their minds renders them a more easy prey to a big lie than a small one, for they themselves often tell little lies, but would be ashamed to tell big lies. -- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country. – Hermann Goering, Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, President of the Reichstag, Prime Minister of Prussia and, as Hitler's designated successor, the second man in the Third Reich

The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it. -- Dr. Joseph Mengele

The liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic State itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism -- ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or any controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt

It is hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head. – Sally Kempton

And, to bring us up to date:

The technotronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. ... (T)he capacity to assert social and political control over the individual will vastly increase. It will soon be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and to maintain up-to-date, complete files, containing even most personal information about the health or personal behavior of the citizen in addition to more customary data. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities. --Zbigniew Brzezinski

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McKenzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:42 PM
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15. I am with you 100% friend
Edited on Sat Jan-07-06 05:45 PM by McKenzie
My quotes: "The Venice Flying Circus", failure of NORAD, PNAC document of 2000, Put Options, Promis software, gravitational effects on a falling object etc. Sadly, we'll only be proven right when people wake up and find they are no longer in a free country.

EDIT - " What would have happened if millions of American and British people, struggling with coupons and lines at the gas stations, had learned that in 1942 Standard Oil of New Jersey managers shipped the enemy's fuel through neutral Switzerland and that the enemy was shipping Allied fuel? Suppose the public had discovered that the Chase Bank in Nazi-occupied Paris after Pearl Harbor was doing millions of dollars' worth of business with the enemy with the full knowledge of the head office in Manhattan Or that Ford trucks were being built for the German occupation troops in France with authorization from Dearborn, Michigan? Or that Colonel Sosthenes Behn, the head of the international American telephone conglomerate ITT, flew from New York to Madrid to Berne during the war to help improve Hitler's communications systems and improve the robot bombs that devastated London? Or that ITT built the FockeWulfs that dropped bombs on British and American troops? Or that crucial balI bearings were shipped to Nazi-associated customers in Latin America with the collusion of the vice-chairman of the U.S. War Production Board in partnership with Goering's cousin in Philadelphia when American forces were desperately short of them? Or that such arrangements were known about in Washington and either sanctioned or deliberately ignored?"

Charles Higham
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:46 PM
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16. Everything in your post is true!!!!
How can people just accept the word of another individual and not check the facts for themselves.
Our country is in the control of the darkest forces of evil on this planet!!!
Hey if you dont get this than we will all go down together.
We have to stand up,question and demand an investigation into this as this government is guilty of the most heinious crimes in our history.
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gmaki Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 05:54 PM
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17. Oh dear God
Not this again. Please THINK about it just for a few moments.

Watch a documentary about building demolition and notice how much preparation goes into it. Notice how the building is gutted, columns are pre-cut and det cord is EVERYWHERE before they blow it.

This whole controlled demolition theory is not even necessary for a conspiracy theory if that's what you want to have. If you want to believe in a conspiracy (which I don't necessarily, but I also don't reject it out of hand) why add such a proposterous angle to it?

For a little more food for thought, watch the collapse again and notice how the both buildings collapsed initially as two large chunks which were separated (coincidentally?) right at the point of impact. if the buildings were blown they would have collapsed as whole. or at least starting from the same point.

Both collpases began with the entire section above the impact telescoping into the section below, even though each building imapct zone was on different floors on the respective buildings.

THINK PEOPLE!
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 06:01 PM
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18. "THINK PEOPLE"
Insults aren't necessary. We ARE thinking and what you've said doesn't account for a lot of evidence--the fine dust, for one, the very high temperatures sub-basement for another. How does a 'collapse' theory explain these phenomena?

In any case, this has now been relocated to the 9/11 forum. No surprise there.
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gmaki Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 06:13 PM
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20. I didn't think asking one to THINK was an insult.
I apologise.

I don't know the first thing about melting point or "softening point" of steel or the heat of kerosene fire or why dust or high temperatures would be evidence for or against controlled demolotion.

I do know what I saw with my own eyes as I described above. And I have not been able to imagine any scenario where the buildings could have been prepped for demolition by a team and no one in the building notice the miles of det cord lying around, let alone the pre-cutting of beams and columns.

However I don't think conspiracy theorists know any more about it than I do.

If someone wants to explain in a logical fashion how a collspsing WTC can't result in fine dust I am listening. But I don't just automtaically assume that it can't.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 07:59 PM
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25. det cord.
Edited on Sat Jan-07-06 08:02 PM by Beam Me Up
Obviously this was no ordinary demolition. This was a crime with very very high stakes and vast amounts of money behind it. I believe it is reasonable to assume no expense was spared. Detonations can be set to be triggered by radio signals. Radio signals can be controlled by very complex computer programs, and so on.

The problem here is, somewhat as you point out, we are in an area where one can argue hypotheticals with no definite conclusion.

It is best to stick to the observed facts, as I listed them in my OP: Steel was severed in convenient lengths, thousands of tons of debris were turned to fine powder and hot spots above the melting point of aluminum were recorded in the sub-basement for weeks after the events. Any rational hypothesis has to account for these (and many other) observed phenomena. My argument is that the official story can not possibly be true because it cannot account for these observed and recorded phenomena.

You don't need a degree in engineering or physics, you just need to think the problem through. Take a sledgehammer and slam it into the sidewalk in front of your home. What happens? The concrete may crack as a result of the energy you introduced at a very focused point. However, although there may be some particulate matter that resulted from your single blow with a sledge hammer, chances are what you will find is not fine dust. If you want to grind concrete into a fine powder, you are going to have to hit it with MUCH more force.

This is simply an example of the problem the official story has. There's all this dust--tons and tons of it--and something, some source of energy, has to account for what caused it. The official story has ONLY the quantity of potential energy in the mass of the structure above the point of collapse as a possible source for this energy. Worse we observe that these quantities of dust and other debris (steel beams weighing several tons being blown laterally as much as 600' away from the tower's core) appear IMMEDIATELY upon the initiation of downward motion from the upper floors. In other words, the official story commands us to believe that the weight of the structure above the point of failure is sufficient to shred 27 core steel columns AND pulverize concrete, aluminum and other interior material INSTENTANIOUSLY, precipitating a 'collapse' at near free-fall speed (the time it takes an object to fall a given distance without resistance in a vacume). The WTC towers were roughly 110 stores tall and "collapsed" in about 10 seconds. That is more than TEN FLOORS A SECOND. Try to imagine the amount of energy required to make that happen and keep in mind these were among some of the most over built steel structures on the planet. They were DESIGNED to withstand the impact of large aircraft--which they did--and NOT do what they then proceeded to do.

You can do the same kind of thought experiment with the steel itself. Think about what force is necessary to SEVER steel--some of it inches thinck. Bending, twisting, that we can imagine, but completely fracture it and/or severing it from its attendant members? This requires an enormous force that can not be accounted for by the official story.

Same is true with the hot spots in the sub basements.

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gmaki Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 08:26 PM
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27. Ordinary or Extraordinary?
Obviously this was no ordinary demolition.

Umm isn't all the evidence of "squibs" and segmented steel pointing to it being an ordinary demolition?

Which is it ordinary demolition or extraordinary demolition?
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 08:31 PM
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28. Ordinary demolitions use det cord, according to you.
The point being det cord isn't necessary for a demolition to occur.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 06:53 AM
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32. Yes, much effort is required to bring down a building;
it is implausible that simply damaging a building anywhere will cause it to collapse as though it was brought down by controlled demolition. This pertains especially to WTC 7.

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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-10-06 12:25 AM
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33. Yeah, why DO they typically go to so much trouble demolishing buildings
Edited on Tue Jan-10-06 12:25 AM by stickdog
when we all know that simply flying old passenger planes into them would have the exact same effect?
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 06:05 PM
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19. it's a cycle of abuse -- every irrational outrage weakens us
sad, really that it's un-pinable here.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 06:19 PM
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21. Excellent, Excellent Post-Thank you BMU!
These TRUTHS can never be spoken of enough!

You know, Denial is a powerful thing. Sadly it is this denial that far too many cower behind; too afraid and too stubborn to face what our government has done to this country and it's citizens. I sincerely hope we don't have to go through another 9/11 or the extreme of WW 3 before people finally accept the truth that is staring them in the face and do something about what these evil bastards have wrought!

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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 06:29 PM
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22. Related...
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 07:03 PM
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24. Thanks reprehensor!
Looks like good reading from a remarkable man.

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reprehensor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 06:29 PM
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23. Who made our brains susceptible to these lies?
Edited on Sat Jan-07-06 07:07 PM by reprehensor
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 08:12 PM
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26. Thanks for posting this.
If we think about it, the official 9/11 explanation reads like a huge conspiracy theory. 19 young muslim men, with a penchant for partying and with very little flight knowledge, armed with (gasp) box-cutters, succeeded in circumventing our sensitive national security, and then caused the total destruction of three huge buildings as well as a part of the pentagon.

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn (that is, if the evil-doers don't blow torch it first).

You are right. We DON'T know what really happened.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-07-06 09:28 PM
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29. Barrie Zwicker has done a great service

Good link to great info re 9\11

http://www.greatconspiracy.ca/pdfs/TGC_transcript_GOIssue9.pdf

Barrie Zwicker was the first mainstream journalist in the world to go on air (in January 2002) and ask hard questions about the official story of 9/11. The Great Deception is a compilation of his series of seven commentaries on 9/11. In The Great Conspiracy, Zwicker updates and expands his critique. He analyses the use of fear to befuddle the public. He deconstructs the so-called "war on terrorism." He examines in depth the failure of the military on 9/11 and George Bush's highly inappropriate behaviour that day. He finds the 9/11 Commission to be a total coverup operation. Throughout, he analyses the role of the mainstream media as complicit in keeping the public massively misinformed and befuddled. And he suggests what we can do.

About Barrie Zwicker
http://www.greatconspiracy.ca/about.html

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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 12:36 AM
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30. Thanks.
I like this: "(One reviewer whimsically described Zwicker as "the professional furrowed brow for the small-r religious set.")"

I could see putting myself in that category.
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-08-06 06:24 AM
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31. Great post!!!
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Perception control = Emotional control = Mind control
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