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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 10:46 AM
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The assassination of Kennedy and Bush Sr's involvement.
JFK II: The Bush Connection

Best to download to computer before playing.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 10:52 AM
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1. Um, wanna give us more reason to download something?
Some might be hesitant to just download on your say-so. :shrug:
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seeminer21 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:12 AM
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2. Dontcha wanna be part.....
of the latest conpiracy theory?
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:18 AM
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5. Why not respond to the specifics in the video ...
You can't. And yes, people in power conspire. Of course, the one bullet theory fits well with your way of thinking. Bullets pause in the air for six seconds all the time.

Betcha didn't watch the video. Right?

Seriously ... pretend you have the capacity for academics and take one issue with the video and refute it.
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seeminer21 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:57 PM
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22. The "magic bullet" bunk that you're trying to sell.....
Has been destroyed over and over again. Most recently by Penn & Teller on their excellent show "Bullsh*t". Two bullets from Oswald's gun was all it took. Having an "open mind" doesn't mean blindly believing the least believable theory.

P.S. I've seen every Kennedy assassination video incuding this one. Is this the first time you're seening these claims? How old are you?

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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 05:03 PM
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23. If you watched the video then you'd notice that the magic bullet theory
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 05:03 PM by DrDebug
got about 30 seconds of the 1 1/2 hours, since it is such an obvious nonsense story that you do not need to explain that it is not possible. So I reverse the question. If it is a normal phenomena it must have happened before. Please show me one case in a criminal court involving a magic bullet other than the JFK assassination. Good luck.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:14 AM
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3. Try this URL first:
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 11:15 AM by pnorman
http://madcowpolitics.com/

Should be no danger in just looking. But don't bust a gut laughing!

pnorman
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:31 AM
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7. The two funniest videos at the madcowpoplitics site
I found so far were this one
Money Masters Part1

and this one
Money Masters Part2

This film is probably the best history movie you will ever see in your life. In total it is about 5 hours of footage but worth every second. You will probably learn more in 5 hours of watching this film than you will learn in any college history class. Fasten your seat belts.
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:45 AM
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9. Wow ...
Right on topic. :sarcasm:

The topic gets moved, and not one of you all have answered the specifics in the video. Why would you obfuscate? If you have no integrity, borrow it from someone.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 08:25 PM
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24. They are really funny. Let me give you a quick summary.
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 08:29 PM by DrDebug
Those are very well researched videos and you would have learned a lot in those five hours. It is easy to say that it is not important, but that video tells the history of money and the history of banking and how money is created and why banks are so extremely powerful.

The funny thing is that relates to JFK and is one of the possible motives for the JFK assassination, since he was a very brave president and he tried to limit the control of bankers over the US dollar.


On June 4, 1963, a little known attempt was made to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the government at interest. On that day President John F. Kennedy signed Executive Order No. 11110 that returned to the U.S. government the power to issue currency, without going through the Federal Reserve. Mr. Kennedy's order gave the Treasury the power "to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury." This meant that for every ounce of silver in the U.S. Treasury's vault, the government could introduce new money into circulation. In all, Kennedy brought nearly $4.3 billion in U.S. notes into circulation. The ramifications of this bill are enormous.

With the stroke of a pen, Mr. Kennedy was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of New York out of business. If enough of these silver certificats were to come into circulation they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. This is because the silver certificates are backed by silver and the Federal Reserve notes are not backed by anything. Executive Order 11110 could have prevented the national debt from reaching its current level, because it would have given the government the ability to repay its debt without going to the Federal Reserve and being charged interest in order to create the new money. Executive Order 11110 gave the U.S. the ability to create its own money backed by silver.

(...)

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/executiveorder11110.htm


So what does the above refer to? Well it turns out that the Federal Reserve isn't federal at all. It is a private bank. So who own the Federal Reserve? It turns out that ten banks control the US dollar:

* Chase Manhattan Bank, New York
* Goldman, Sachs, Bank, New York
* Israel Moses Seif Bank, Italy
* Kuhn Loeb Bank, New York
* Lehman Brothers Bank, New York
* Rothschild Bank, London
* Rothschild Bank, Berlin
* Lazard Brothers, Paris
* Warburg Bank, Amsterdam
* Warburg Bank, Hamburg

And that's a funny list of owners, because 4 out of 10 banks are American and the rest seem to be European banks. To make it even more funny it turns out that the same group of banks control the Bank of England. That's pretty cool isn't it? Two currencies. What about the Euro? Indeed the European Bank is also owned by them.

So what does that mean? It means that there is a small group of banks who controls three major currencies and the interest rates. It also means that every banknote is a loan to those bank. So a $100 bill at 2% interest means that each of the above banks get $0,20 a year. But of course there is more than $100.- in circulation so in reality those banks get billions without having to do anything.

So what did JFK do? He said no and started to create money himself and not involve the above banks. $4,300,000,000 ~ $100,000,000 interest/year. It goes without saying that Executive Order 11110 was reversed during the LBJ presidency and that the money was quietly taken out of circulation and replaced with money issued by the above banks.

Did they play a role in the JFK assassination? We don't know. What we do know is that those banks are really powerful, so they didn't mind that a president was replaced by somebody who looked after their interests. After all a couple of billion dollars a year without having to do anything, is pretty unique...


Public Domain: Work of the US Government.

Executive Order 11110 AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE ORDER NO. 10289

AS AMENDED, RELATING TO THE PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN FUNCTIONS AFFECTING THE DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY

By virtue of the authority vested in me by section 301 of title 3 of the United States Code, it is ordered as follows:

Section 1. Executive Order No. 10289 of September 19, 1951, as amended, is hereby further amended-

By adding at the end of paragraph 1 thereof the following subparagraph (j):

(j) The authority vested in the President by paragraph (b) of section 43 of the Act of May 12,1933, as amended (31 U.S.C.821(b)), to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury not then held for redemption of any outstanding silver certificates, to prescribe the denomination of such silver certificates, and to coin standard silver dollars and subsidiary silver currency for their redemption

and --

Byrevoking subparagraphs (b) and (c) of paragraph 2 thereof.

Sec. 2. The amendments made by this Order shall not affect any act done, or any right accruing or accrued or any suit or proceeding had or commenced in any civil or criminal cause prior to the date of this Order but all such liabilities shall continue and may be enforced as if said amendments had not been made.

John F. Kennedy The White House, June 4, 1963.
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:15 AM
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4. Suit yourself.
What's your point? :eyes:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:29 AM
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6. That it is not always a good idea to run to a site & download something
without knowing a bit about it, or the site, or the poster recommending it all. Didn't get this old without a bit of cautious reserve, never been much of a herd animal.
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 11:34 AM
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8. Right click
And do a properties check, Einstein.

<sigh>
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:05 PM
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10. You'd instill a lot more confidence in your suggestion
to download an unknown file, had you not disabled your User Profile. 380 is a respectable enough post count, but not nearly enough for this purpose. (And I told Mister plasticsundance: "Tear down that wall!").

pnorman
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 04:23 PM
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13. What? How dare you ...
It's none of your damn business to know my profile. What? You posting for laughs now. You're free to download or not download. Sheesh ... get over the paranoia.

Great. You use a quote from Reagan. How progressive of you. :sarcasm:

You have yet to answer to the specifics in the video. That shows a lack of honesty and integrity.
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 04:30 PM
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15. "What? How dare you ...."
I'll cherish that squeak of outrage for a long time to come.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

pnorman
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 08:13 AM
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pnorman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 09:57 PM
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25. I can only guess what sort of message was removed by the Moderator.
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 10:00 PM by pnorman
I don't think my own posting was too far out of line, but had I realized that he was so close to his flash point, I probably would have moderated it (perhaps avoided all those :rofl: s). I've become quite attached to this DU community over the past few years, and regard all here as "family". I try hard to give as little offence as possible.

As for the JFK assasination (MURDER!), I've been something of a tinfoiler on that since 1964. But I've tried to be as "responsible" as possible. ie: I regard the "official" story as having the benefit of the doubt. That hasn't crippled me in any manner, and I think I now have a fairly good grasp of it (subject to debate). So when I saw all that stuff on the home page, I couldn't take it all that seriously. Much of it was long familiar coded words and symbols, for "Elders of Zion" type anti-Semitism. Having said that, I'll probably watch those films (at my liesure).

pnorman
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:24 PM
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11. Thank you very much
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 03:35 PM by DrDebug
I have studied and investigated the JFK assassination as well, so most of the things were known, however I considered J. Edger Hoover to be one of the bad guys and I feel a lot better about him thanks to this video and it seems that he was unable to do anything about it, but that he left a trail and did the right thing. It also explains the conversation between LBJ and J. Edgar Hoover on 10:01 on November 23rd 1963, because in that conversation he sounded like he thought that Oswald was innocent, but that was before the meeting.

It seems like J. Edgar Hoover most likely did not know about the JFK assassination before it happened and was forced to keep his mouth shut and look the other way. And there is now significant doubt about his involvement for me personally. Never would have imagined that as far as J. Edna was concerned.

Definitely recommended.

Edit: some more
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 03:48 PM
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12. The conversation between LBJ and Hoover on 23rd November, 1963
As a further indication that the FBI was no involved prior to the meeting later that day which included George Bush among others.


J. Edgar Hoover: I just wanted to let you know of a development which I think is very important in connection with this case - this man in Dallas (Lee Harvey Oswald). We, of course, charged him with the murder of the President. The evidence that they have at the present time is not very, very strong. We have just discovered the place where the gun was purchased and the shipment of the gun from Chicago to Dallas, to a post office box in Dallas, to a man - no, to a woman by the name of "A. Hidell."... We had it flown up last night, and our laboratory here is making an examination of it.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Yes, I told the Secret Service to see that that got taken care of.

J. Edgar Hoover: That's right. We have the gun and we have the bullet. There was only one full bullet that was found. That was on the stretcher that the President was on. It apparently had fallen out when they massaged his heart, and we have that one. We have what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification. As soon as we finish the testing of the gun for fingerprints ... we will then be able to test the one bullet we have with the gun. But the important thing is that this gun was bought in Chicago on a money order. Cost twenty-one dollars, and it seems almost impossible to think that for twenty-one dollars you could kill the President of the United States.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Now, who is A. Hidell?

J. Edgar Hoover: A. Hidell is an alias that this man has used on other occasions, and according to the information we have from the house in which he was living - his mother - he kept a rifle like this wrapped up in a blanket which he kept in the house. On the morning that this incident occurred down there - yesterday - the man who drove him to the building where they work, the building from where the shots came, said that he had a package wrapped up in paper... But the important thing at the time is that the location of the purchase of the gun by a money order apparently to the Klein Gun Company in Chicago - we were able to establish that last night.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

J. Edgar Hoover: No, that's one angle that's very confusing, for this reason - we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald's name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there. We do have a copy of a letter which was written by Oswald to the Soviet embassy here in Washington, inquiring as well as complaining about the harassment of his wife and the questioning of his wife by the FBI. Now, of course, that letter information - we process all mail that goes to the Soviet embassy. It's a very secret operation. No mail is delivered to the embassy without being examined and opened by us, so that we know what they receive... The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction... Now if we can identify this man who was at the... Soviet embassy in Mexico City... This man Oswald has still denied everything. He doesn't know anything about anything, but the gun thing, of course, is a definite trend.

(snip)

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2310


Note: Taped telephone conversation between J. Edgar Hoover and Lyndon Baines Johnson (10.01 on 23rd November, 1963).
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 04:28 PM
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14. Thank you DrDebug
Interesting the conversation between Hoover and LBJ. I thought it was great when Cspan aired the LBJ tapes. It gave great insight of the Man and his Administration.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 04:39 PM
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16. The conversation was weird
Because it was the kind of conversation of an investigator who is looking into a case, but is sceptical that somebody is guilty. Also note that later on the embassy picture was used even though we have a clear statement by J. Edgar Hoover that it was a different man. And why did this conversation remain and there are many more pieces of evidences which mysteriously were forgotten about, but only the FBI and J. Edgar Hoover made those 'mistakes'. Or were they trails so people could later on figure out what happened because they were unable to handle it, because there was an organization which was more powerful than the FBI and J. Edgar Hoover.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-12-06 07:54 PM
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17. Now I start to wonder about this part
Edited on Thu Jan-12-06 07:56 PM by DrDebug
This is pure speculation, but can we assume the following:

1. J. Edgar Hoover / FBI were not involved with the planning and execution JFK assassination.
2. He was forced to cooperate and not to persue the investigation and help in covering up the crime.
3. He was a good investigator and it seemed like investigating was his life and he kept files on everybody.

Is it safe to assume that despite not being able to conduct a full investigation into the JFK assassination, that J. Edgar Hoover investigated it privately, because he had extensive private files on every possible person.

And we have this:

When J. Edgar Hoover died in May, 1972, he left virtually the whole of his estate to his long-time companion. Tolson also took control of Hoover's considerable secret files. Tolson retired from the FBI and according to his friends, that the only time he left the house was to visit Hoover's grave. When Tolson died in April, 1975, it was reported that the FBI agents arrived at his house and removed all these documents. Clyde Tolson is buried with Hoover at the Congressional Cemetery in Washington.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAtolson.htm


What happened to the files? Were they removed? If so, where are they now? Did they manage to get all the files? Was there a file about the JFK assassination? What happened to that file?

This may sounds strange, what if JFK got solved a long time ago and is waiting to be rediscovered...

Interesting video indeed. Gave me some things to think about. Maybe JFK will get solved, because there is hope and somehow it does sound plausible.
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plasticsundance Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 10:34 AM
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19. Thanks for the link.
I found this interesting:


He tried again the following year and this time his photograph and application form was seen by J. Edgar Hoover


I remember back in the 80's there was special on television about Hoover. It discussed Hoover's obsession with the ideal look of the American boy. It was reported that Hoover had gotten on the elevator with a young man applying for the FBI. The young man had pimples, and Hoover became outraged and told his assistant not to hire the young man because of the pimples.

My wife is from Argentina, and she told me that it was common practice to send a photograph along with one's resume. I am not sure they still do this, but Argentina practiced this as late as the 80's. This would definitely be politically incorrect by today's US standards.

I think the video indulged in hyperbole when it stated that Hoover was threatened with death. I don't think it would have had to involve such nefarious tactics. His life as a homosexual was enough to use as blackmail, IMO.

This is the modus operandi of the Bush Crime Family. I believe that the Bush Crime Family has dirt on many politicians, and it would explain why many both Democrat and Republican loose the hubris for a fight with the Bush's. I'm sure Daddy Bush has quite a bit of files from his CIA days.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:01 AM
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20. I think that his homosexuality was enough, because the mob used it also
And Operation 40 used members of the mafia for their operations and were cooperating with them, so they knew the weak spot of J. Edgar Hoover. And he was not a nice guy, a rabid anti-communist who saw communists everywhere and he himself held his office for so many years because no politician dared to touch him since he had dirt on every single one of them. So I guess they reversed it and made him cooperate.

However up to now it seemed like J. Edgar Hoover was doing the coverup since he was in charge of the investigation and the person responsible for the lone nutter Oswald and his magic bullet and that makes the first conversation so weird because it sounds like a regular investigation. And it makes sense because a President had died, so this would have become the biggest case of his career, but he quickly discovered that some people had a different idea and wanted a quick investigation without looking at details.

Mind you he didn't like JFK. And his relation with RFK was even worse, because RFK wanted to have power and control as well and Hoover ran his own organization his way without interference, but this video makes a very good case for Hoover not being involved in the planning and execution and he probably discovered the next day what he was up against and was forced to cooperate and make a sloppy investigation and left a lot of evidence which supports the conspiracy idea.

Bush sr. must have lots of files as well and he knew most of the dirty operations during the 60s. In a way Nixon is the same, because he also kept records of everything. These people are extremely paranoid and since they are corruptable they use corruption against others as well. That's what kept the whole group together.

LBJ was corrupt. Nixon was corrupt. Bush was corrupt. Connelly was corrupt. Hoover was corrupt. Warren was corrupt. Ford was corrupt. Hunt was corrupt. So all those top guys had no choice but to help another, because they could destroy one-another and that is exactly what happened with Nixon, because he went out of line and had no choice but to resign. BTW: Kissinger managed to get in with Nixon as well. That was another surprise appointment. A democrat who suddenly could do whatever he wanted as far as Vietnam was concerned. Sounds more like Kissinger knew what Nixon had been doing as well.

And George jr and Jeb also got to their prominent position because nobody dares to stand up against George sr.
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seeminer21 Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 02:55 PM
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21. whoops
Edited on Fri Jan-13-06 02:56 PM by seeminer21
I moved my comment to the right place
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MrSammo1 Donating Member (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:23 PM
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26. enjoy..........
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DemInDistress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-13-06 11:26 PM
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27. I saw and posted this video a couple of months ago.
Turns out to be the best compilation of facts about JFK I ever seen. Progressives denounced me and the video
seems they accept the Warren Report. For me I now feel confident Poppy Bush and the Plumbers indeed killed
our beloved JFK.
Have you seen "Power of Nightmares" a BBC production by Adam Curtis? This was pulled from the internet but is now back in circulation. PM me for the site.
I like your style and don't let the nay-sayers throw off your hunt for the truth.
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SittingBull Donating Member (398 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 10:40 AM
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28. Kick!
at least every american should view this video...
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-14-06 11:06 AM
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29. "JFK Reloaded"
Win $100,000 by proving that "Oswald did it".


JFK Reloaded Demo v1.01
http://downloads.gamezone.com/demos/d11901.htm

"JFKReloaded.com recreates the last few moments of the President’s life and challenges participants to help disprove any conspiracy theory by recreating the three shots that Lee Harvey Oswald made from the infamous sixth floor of the Dallas book depository. The ‘docu-game’ accurately recreates the surroundings and events of 22nd November 1963 in downtown Dallas, using information from the Warren Commission report, and has taken a ten-man team seven months to research and six months to program. Painstakingly detailed, the reconstruction enables players to examine the challenges that faced Oswald."

JFK Reloaded Demo v1.01
Type: Demo
File Name: JFKReloaded_1.01.exe
Size: 12.8 MB
Date: 11/22/2004
Version: 1.01
Platforms: PC

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