MIHOP!

[Brundle_Fly]

two days ago I wouldn't have believed it.

22 hours ago I was LIHOP

today 100% convinced, MIHOP!!!

and going to curl up under a blanket in the basement, for the rest of time.

:hide:

[Hissyspit]

1. That's a pretty sudden change of heart. Based on...?

I still argue that MIHOP and LIHOP are morally equivalent, so it doesn't make much difference. You are still dealing with incredible American monsters.

[acmavm]

2. Before you take cover how 'bout letting us know what put you in such

an tizzy?

[Brundle_Fly]

4. I spent 2 days watching

movies on video.google.com

I watched some over the top stuff first, and then I settled into a few real doozies, with hundreds of experts on everything, from building engineers, to banks in Argentina, to pipelines to shell corporations, to Siebel etc etc etc...


I have no doubts now.

going back in, just came up for peanut butter.

:hide:

[acmavm]

5. Better take some jelly or honey. After a while that peanut butter can

give you a pretty bad case of dry-mouth not to mention you have to get your tongue unstuck from the roof of your mouth somehow.

I love peanut butter too, but need something to help it go down.

[Brundle_Fly]

6. raspberry jam in this case.

:hide:

[WePurrsevere]

11. Share the links please? (& PB & Raspberry Jam sounds like breakfast to me

Just add a nice hot cup of freshly ground and brewed (good) coffee and I'm purr'fectly content to start the day. 8)

[Brundle_Fly]

12. just go to video.google.com

and search 911, conspiracy, oil deals, pentagon, etc etc, you will get good content for each search

then mix them up a little. like

oil deals +911,
conspiracy +pentagon
911 +Argentina

[WePurrsevere]

19. Thank you. :-)

With slow dial up and videos this could take quite a while.

[MrSammo1]

33. Glad you've come over from the

Dark Side!

[HeeBGBz]

3. So what happened in the last 24 hours

That changed your mind?

[Swamp Rat]

7. The invasion has begun!

:scared:



:D

[mopaul]

8. LIHOP or MIHOP are equally evil,

and bear the same punishment in hell.

[Chomp]

9. I'm sorry,

...but I've never seen the following question adequtely answered re: MIHOP.

How do you cover such a thing up? How many people would it require and how do you keep them all quiet?

My opinion: Impossible.

[Brundle_Fly]

13. I was with you 2 days ago.

feel like I just woke up in the matrix.

when you start thinking that in todays world dollars we are looking at 12 trillion dollars which is bound to go up, you start feeling the case for motive.

I don't think you'd need more than a select few people to pull it off anymore either.

I am scared.

:hide:

[w13rd0]

14. Hide in plain sight...

...that's been their strategy from day #1. You don't need thousands of people who know all the details. The technology they use to data mine our conversations is being used by others, and they are discovering that there are likely a handful of people who know all the players. All the little pieces don't need to know everything, so taken individually, they don't amount to much other than a blip.

How do you think the NSA looks for individuals participating in cell, or organic, organizational structures that seek to do harm to the United States? Although that's not what they are looking for. They are looking for individuals and groups doing harm to the GOVERNMENT of the US, or to strategically important corporate "partners".

They had a name for it, something they claimed they couldn't do...gee, what was it? Oh yeah, "connecting the dots"...

It's all hidden in plain sight.

[Binka]

15. That's The Most Infuriating Aspect Of These Nazis They Are So OBVIOUS

People tend to totally overlook or worse TRUST the obvious. I loathe them all.

[enough already]

16. Rove put this whole thing together

If they can cover up stealing two elections, this is nothing.

[rman]

17. Few people involved have the full picture,

For instance some pilot doing drug runs for the CIA can fulfill his role without knowing all the ins and outs. not to mention that he's getting payed handsomely to do so. It would be an exaggeration to say that the pilot is in on the conspiracy.

Individuals higher up the food chain have a more complete picture, but they also gain more from it.

Self interest prevents people from blowing their own cover.
Deception, seduction and intimidation do go a long way in keeping these things secret.

Also it doesn't matter much if some people do talk about it every now and then - most people don't believe it anyway.
I mean, there *are* whistleblowers, such as Sibel Edmonds and many others - and they *are* speaking out - but so far nothing much has come of it.

[killtown]

21. Don't think our Gov't could keep 9/11 a secret?

Maybe this will make you rethink:

EVOLUTION IN EUROPE; Italy Discloses Its Web Of Cold War Guerrillas

"In Europe's new order, they are the spies who never quite came in from the cold, foot soldiers in an underground guerrilla network with one stated mission: To fight an enemy that most Europeans believe no longer exists.
Theirs is a tale of secret arms caches and exotic code names, of military stratagems and political intrigues.
At best, their tale is no more than a curious footnote to the cold war. The question is if, at worst, it could be the key to unsolved terrorism dating back two decades. Nowhere do the darker suspicions burn more intensely than in this capital whose appetite for conspiracy theories is insatiable and whose Parliament today began an investigation into where reality may lie.
The focus of the inquiry is a clandestine operation code-named Gladio, created decades ago to arm and train resistance fighters in case the Soviet Union and its Warsaw Pact allies invaded. All this week, there have been disclosures of similar organizations in virtually all Western European countries, including those that do not belong to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.
As disclosed in recent days by the Italian Prime Minister, Giulio Andreotti, Gladio, named after after the short, wide, double-edged sword used by gladiators in ancient Rome, came into being during the most gelid days of the cold war.
It was originally an Italian creation, said Mr. Andreotti, who is scheduled to testify on Friday before a parliamentary commission studying bombings and massacres that claimed scores of lives in a terrorism wave that inundated Italy from 1969 to the early 1980's.
The Prime Minister said last week that Gladio later evolved into a branch of an extensive network, operated within NATO and abetted by a 1956 agreement between the United States and Italian secret services. Over the years, he says, 622 Italians belonged to the operation -- civilians who were trained by intelligence operatives and who had fought in World War II or served in the peacetime forces.
There was Mr. Andreotti's mention of the 1956 agreement with United States agencies, whose aim for decades was to make sure that the Italian Communist Party, the largest in the West, never got a foothold in the Government. And there were long-reported links between Italian secret services and neo-Fascists.
And there is the fact that the major unsolved acts of terrorism that rocked Italy in the 1970's are all presumed to be the work of people on the far right. Left-wing terrorists like the moribund Red Brigades somehow were caught and imprisoned.
Swept up in the dispute is President Francesco Cossiga, who declared recently that it had been his "privilege" to help organize Gladio when he was in the Defense Ministry in the 1960's. Some Independent Left members of Parliament have since demanded his impeachment, but Mr. Cossiga remains unflappable.
Fact is, he said, "I admire the fact that we have kept the secret for 45 years." - NY Times (11/16/90)

http://killtown.911review.org/oddities.html#October24,1990-Operation_Gladio

[HamdenRice]

22. Please read my post: "How to enforce a conspiracy ..."

AND the related cross cite, contained in it and tell us what you think:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x66458

[SittingBull]

23. Cover-Up rant

The argument, that a conspiracy needs thousands of Co-conspirators is totally bogus. Can someone explain what leeds to this conclusion?


We have hierarchy systems, therefore you need only a few people on the top, mostly afterwards for the none-examination.

The operation itself can be done with very few people.
I can imagine an operation like this on 9-11 with less than 20 perpetrators.

And we knew already how a criminal conspiracy has to be build up therefore it leads to the expected goal- to shift the blame away from the real terrorists with alibis, false accusations, scapegoats, false trails. Every member of the conspiracy knew as less as possible, all doing only a small wheel, and only very few people knew the whole plan, and even these people can be shot dead afterwards.

So C'mon, you CoIntelpro-using desinfo persons- don't use this silly and weak argument to weaken other 9-11 truthsearchers.

Or I'll call you CoIntelpro-agent, if you insist on this ridiculous crap.

[SittingBull]

24. german team 8 plus researcher

Cristian C. Walther does an explanation, http://www.randomhouse.de/specials/119fragen/dzt/
in his book: 9/11, The censored day".

He named it "crime of the century- a speculation", chapter 11."

Unfortunately it wasn't translated to english yet. Maybe someone in the movement can do this.

[liberal43110]

31. Actually, not many people would need to know

the entire thing. Just enough to do their job. I think the "but so many people would have to be in on the plan..." is a common argument against MIHOP. But the more research you do, and the more you think about it, only a very small number of people would need to be in on the "conspiracy."

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. So what pushed you over the edge?

You've got us curious.

[rman]

18. welcome to reality Brundle_Fly

[QuettaKid]

20. agreed. welcome to reality ! !

Did you see the close-up of the squibs on building 7? That's what put me over in the MIHOP camp. I mean they are right there, as plain as day.

[Brundle_Fly]

25. Thanks.

I think the worst part is, is plans like this have happened more than a few times in history to push countries into war, demonizing an enemy is easy when you control everything, especially the media.

My parents for example, think any news they read or see is the truth, I cannot sway them to even look at another side. I feel that this brainwashing is almost global in its scope. The squibs may have gotten me to phase one, but I think once you start to look at the debunked stories, and the glaring lies and inconsistencies you start to see a clear pattern of deception.

The money and power as a final end, lead me to my revelation. Greed is so powerful, especially if you wrap it in a patriotic flag.

I had no idea about "Peak Oil" either, everything amassed together to make a pretty clear picture of what is going on.

[Brundle_Fly]

26. Thanks.

I think the worst part is, is plans like this have happened more than a few times in history to push countries into war, demonizing an enemy is easy when you control everything, especially the media.

My parents for example, think any news they read or see is the truth, I cannot sway them to even look at another side. I feel that this brainwashing is almost global in its scope. The squibs may have gotten me to phase one, but I think once you start to look at the debunked stories, and the glaring lies and inconsistencies you start to see a clear pattern of deception.

The money and power as a final end, lead me to my revelation. Greed is so powerful, especially if you wrap it in a patriotic flag.

I had no idea about "Peak Oil" either, everything amassed together to make a pretty clear picture of what is going on.

[serryjw]

32. Of course it is..that is why they LET US do what we do!

(I feel that this brainwashing is almost global in its scope.)We are all conspiracy theorists and no one will believe us anyway..not even your parents.

[rman]

27. And welcome to the DU basement,

this is where we deconstruct the matrix.
Watch out for agents though.

[kaplan3602]

28. Welcome...

Welcome to the sad reality, Bundle_Fry

[Brundle_Fly]

29. I am sorry....

that I wasn't here earlier. I am sorry for the things I muttered about you under my breath. I am more sorry about the state of things in this world now.

I don't feel good about anything as of now, and I have to pinch myself every time I think about it, I don't want to be complacent anymore. I don't want to accept it, but I can't ignore how everything "official" has been debunked.

as of right now my wife and I have collected over 2 gigs of movies, (about 18 hours of evidence) and about 300 megs of high rez photos.


I think I will start debunking anything I can, but I don't know if I can bring anything new to the investigation....


fyi... I do have experience debunking some things, 15 years actually. I will let this board know if I notice anything, although I don't even think they needed a photographic hoax to pull this off.... other than the pentagon ....that is where I will start.

[DemInDistress]

30. I was LIHOP until I heard the massive explosions preceding

the collapse of all three WTC buildings. For 4 yrs. I have heard reports of these blasts then 10 days ago I
heard/listened intently to them on "Eyewitness to 911". I passed the site along for all to view and within
1 week the site came down.
The fact that no follow ups occurred into the explosions. No witnesses were allowed to testify regarding the blasts indicate to me "massive cover-up" going on. The refusal to turn over and make public material evidence confiscated by the Bush Crime Family certainly is telling/very troubling. Bet if it were sperm stains of Bubba
the Great they'd fall over themselves releasing that information.
The squibs from WT7 is evidence of implosion. World Trade 7 is an ugly loose end that defies any other plausible explanation other than controlled demolition.
Now I'll wait for LARED the DU/911 debunker to weigh in.

[SittingBull]

34. There's still the possibility

to get all the videos...

http://www.question911.com/links.php

[dailykoff]

35. Depressing, isn't it?

Once you get the picture, it's hard to see how you could have been fooled by the official fairy tale, which was too pat, too convenient and way too full of holes to pass muster in Hollywood let alone the skeptical media, but this is a brave new world.