Daily Kos - 20 Reasons to Question the official 9/11 Story

[JohnyCanuck]

20 reasons to question the official story of 9/11
by dailykoster
Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 07:16:42 AM PDT

(1) While the government has consistently stated that it did not know where the aircraft were before they struck, the Secretary of Transportation testified before the 9/11 Commission that Vice President Cheney monitored flight 77 for many miles as it approached the Pentagon and -- when a military man asked "do the orders still stand?" -- Cheney responded affirmatively.

http://www.911truthmovement.org/video/hamilton_win.wmv

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(2) The tape of interviews of air traffic controllers on-duty on 9/11 was intentionally destroyed by crushing the cassette by hand, cutting the tape into little pieces, and then dropping the pieces in different trash cans around the building

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F0091FFE3C580C748CDDAC0894DC404482&incamp=archive:search
and
http://web.archive.org/web/20040509021515/http://www.suntimes.com/output/terror/cst-nws-tape07.html

(3) The 9-11 Commission refused to examine the vast majority of evidence about 9/11, and even the former director of the FBI says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/17/122900.shtml
and
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1566565847/qid=1120623441/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_ur_1/103-5910915-8313462?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

Continued at: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/1/31/91642/9872

[Atman]

1. DU - 20 Seconds to Move This Thread to "Crazy Conspiracy Theories" Forum

;-)

[mdmc]

4. never heard this before

(5) A retired Air Force Colonel who flew over 100 combat missions and was the director of the Star Wars defense program under both Republican and Democratic administrations (and a member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth) recently said:

"If our government had merely done nothing, and allowed normal procedures to happen on that morning of 9/11, the twin towers would still be standing, and thousands of dead Americans would still be alive. That is treason!"

http://www.exerscape.com/...

[goclark]

2. My tin hat is getting tighter

but all of those things were probably "just innocent events, let's move along.":tinfoilhat:

[ZapaPaine]

3. Nothing to see here folks, just move along...

Your government loves you to death and will protect you at all times. Do not think for yourselves, do not believe logic, reason or analytical obviousness. No not trust your eyes. Do not trust video.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

Coincidences of this magnitude do not exist. The obviousness of controlled demolitions on the WTC do not exist. Your government does not lie to you. We do not wish perpetual war for perpetual power/control. We are here to protect you, even though we allowed all hell to break lose on 9/11. But it had to be done, for your security and freedom.

War is Peace. Slavery is Freedom. Ignorance is Liberation. Bush is Leadership.

All the facts you think you know about 9/11 are only in your imagination. We decide what reality is. You will follow our reality.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

[goclark]

6. Bravo ZapaPaine! Welcome to DU!

I like your style and your logic!

[ZapaPaine]

10. Thanks, goclark! Here's a little kick n/t

[realFedUp]

25. ayup

watch Bush's hips, not his lips.

[malaise]

27. Tell them

I haven't taken off my tinfoil hat since 9/11 and will wait for all the facts. Drip, drip, drip...wake up world, you've been duped big time.

[SpiralHawk]

5. K and r- please leave in GD

Mods - let the people know Please

[Beam Me Up]

9. I'll second that K & R request! MODS: Leave this in GD!

I'll start donating again if you do!

[democraticinsurgent]

7. All bad things "W" flow from the phony 9/11 story

So even if you don't think Bushco did it (I am convinced) you do sorta have to scratch your head and wonder what W's administration would have been able to ram thru without 9/11:

- Patriot Act
- Afghanistan War (Taliban out, heroin trade in)
- Iraq War
- HAVA voting act (promotion for electronic voting so election fraud is easier)
- No Child Left Behind (unfunded, fraudulent, authorizes military recuiters to be in high schools)
- Clean Skies Act (a joke)
- Illegal Texas congressional redistricting
- FEMA dismantling and subsequent willful incompetence after Katrina
- Alito and Roberts, the unitary exective twins
- Bolton at the UN
- Gonzalez at Justice
- Wolfowitz at World Bank
- Condi at State

I could go on and on, but suffice it to say that W would have been a pathetic one-termer without 9/11. He would have accomplished nothing significant other than being the only president appointed by the Supreme Court.

So those who think 9/11 was Osama and the cavemen's doing, you are whistling past the graveyard.

[CJCRANE]

24. IMO

al-Qaeda had a hand in 9-11 but they got a lot of logistical and financial support from "other sources"...
all of their other operations have been very, very primitive in comparison.

[mirandapriestly]

34. which is why it's ridiculous that it is relegated to the basement nt

[Ian David]

8. Right up until #13, these make sense. Here in lies the problem

If I were to print out the DailyKos list, I might have someone convinced that there was a real Bush conspiracy behind 9-11.

I'm certain that there was at least a LIHOP and maybe a MIHOP.

But once someone sees "stupid shit" on that list, they'll disregard the rest.

And then we've lost them.

[Beam Me Up]

11. I don't know what you mean by "stupid shit".

There were lots of reports of explosions from witnesses at the scene, including news reporters, emergency personnel and oral histories of firefighters.

[OneBlueSky]

18. there are news videotapes taken from New Jersey on which . . .

you can very clearly hear a series of LOUD secondary explosions coming from the still-standing towers at various intervals . . . people on the tape, including reporters, even comment on them contemporaneously . . . I probably have them bookmarked somewhere, but my 9/11 file is getting so large they'll be hard to find . . . but they do exist . . .

[Old and In the Way]

32. I recently watched that videotape.

Those are huge eplosions, no question. I found those unsettling, low frequency, almost like a rumbling (below ground?) and I wonder why that has not gotten any airtime from the MSM. Really, everyone should watch those tapes "911 Eyewitness" and see if that makes you reconsider your thoughts about what we really know with regards to the WTC collapse.

[CJCRANE]

19. I agree..

all the technical stuff put people off.

To me, it's all about the money and the connections. Bushco has connections to the Saudi Royal family and the bin Ladens. 15 of the hijackers were Saudis and apparently the funds for the operation were wired from govt sources in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. As most veteran DUers know, Sibel Edmonds has the details about the finances which apparently link back to American politicians (possibly via Abramoff).

IMHO it's all fairly obvious when you point out where the hijackers came from, who they were connected to and where the money came from.

[rinsd]

26. Even some of the quotes are taken out of context

to continue the controlled demo myth.

[Loge23]

12. #21 Keep them in fear

This speculation will never end. Certainly, the events of that day were so unique and so unprecedented that the reactions and coincidences are probably just a part of the chaos. Building #7 does trouble me however.
The best "evidence" of any conspiracy is in the administrations' shameless use of that horrible day to further their evil agenda.
For the record, I don't believe that this event was part of a admin conspiracy. Instead, 9/11 exposed this admin for their incredible level of incompetence and that is what they cover up to this day.
The bigger problem for us now is: What if??
If another terrorist attack does take place, we'll lose virtually all of our constitutional/B.O.R. protection.

[ZapaPaine]

15. Not if, but when...

There will be another attack. This is inevitable. Whether you believe in LIHOP or MIHOP, one cannot but see the huge asset any attack will be for BushCo, just as 9/11 has done. Without 9/11, Bush would have been a pimple on history's ass, forgotten and inconsequential. 9/11 has allowed everything to happen that was on the Bush agenda. 9/11=Reichstag

For some human psychological reason we tend to believe our government is incapable of harming us for its own good. With Bush, we know he has lied and continues to lie about just about everything imaginable, yet we don't think they lie about 9/11? They have killed over 150,000 innocent people without remorse, yet we think they couldn't allow 3000 to die for their evil agenda? Why is it that humans place blind trust in thier leaders? This error is what makes the criminals strong.

[CJCRANE]

21. That's exactly what I say to my *-apologist friend:

Bushco invaded a country under false pretenses which killed 100,000's and yet they would let a few thousand Americans get in their way?

I've also pointed out instances where it's happened previously in history (govts allowing their own citizens to die for a strategic gain).

My friend no longer calls me a "conspiracy theorist". He calls me "cynical" (which I guess is an improvement). I call him "gullible".

[goclark]

20. Hello ~ Alito/Roberts/Thomas/Scalia and the rest of the crooks

Your words:"we'll lose virtually all of our constitutional/B.O.R. protection.




Please change your words to read" We have already LOST our Constitional/BOR protection."

[seemslikeadream]

13. And there's this Promisgate World's longest spy scandal still glossed over

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/dastych013106.htm

By David Dastych
Tuesday, January 31, 2006


The so called PROMIS affair would never have happened if the software invented by an American computer specialist, Mr. William A. Hamilton, had been a technical failure. But this case management and data mining software, developed in the early 1980s by a small Washington D.C. company, Inslaw Inc., had proven itself to be a perfect intelligence tool. Originally made for the Department of Justice to help the country’s prosecutor offices in their case management, it drew the attention of corrupt officials and of Israeli Intelligence. Stolen by ruse from its owner, Inslaw Inc., the software was hacked and provided with a "trap door", a sort of a Trojan Horse hacker’s trick, that enabled the retrieval of information from the foreign intelligence services and banks it had been sold to on behalf of Israeli and U.S. intelligence. Without the knowledge of the software’s owner, and in violation of copyright laws, the PROMIS software was sold to over 40 countries and used in an unprecedented "sting operation", which yielded huge financial and intelligence benefits to the United States and Israel.

In February 1985, Inslaw Inc. filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection because the Justice Department had withheld payments totaling almost $1.8 million U.S. due Inslaw Inc. under a PROMIS Implementation Contract for U.S. Attorneys Offices. The PROMIS affair, broken by investigative journalists, two federal courts, and a congressional investigation and published in thousands of media stories and in several books, has never been resolved.

But "blowback" from the U.S. Government's theft of PROMIS in 1982 soon turned into a series of painful losses for U.S. national security, into criminal financial benefits for corrupt officials, and into intelligence "scoops" for the secret services of adversaries. "It’s far worse than Watergate"--commented former U.S. Attorney General and Inslaw counsel Elliot Richardson.

From KGB to PLA-2
The history of this world-famous computer software goes back a quarter of a century, and its applications by intelligence, organized crime and terrorist organizations began almost from the start. The software helped the United States win the Cold War against the Soviet Union, but it also served the Russian mafia, Saddam Hussein’s regime, Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda, and an unspecified number of foreign spies and criminals. As far back as 1985, when the late British media tycoon and top Mossad spy, Robert Maxwell, revealed the software’s "trap door" secret to Chinese Military Intelligence (PLA-2), while selling them a copy of PROMIS for $ 9 million, the powerful software was turned against the United States. The Soviet KGB purchased PROMIS from Robert Maxwell, but they also received a copy (together with the Trojan Horse secret) from Robert Hanssen, a spy planted in a most sensitive office of the FBI. The Soviets and their East European allies, including Poland, used PROMIS to spy on the U.S. State Department and 170 American Embassies and Consulates all over the world. This practice may have continued as late as 1997, and the post-communist intelligence agencies of Russia and other countries, including Polish Military Intelligence (WSI), may have been able to retrieve information from U.S. Government agencies, because as many as 64 of them used modified versions of PROMIS. Using the same PROMIS software, purchased from Russia, Saddam Hussein and members of his regime could shift huge sums of money undetected through the banking system. Some of these funds are still supporting the anti-Coalition insurrection in Iraq and terrorists. In the mid-1990s, Chinese Military Intelligence (PLA-2) organized their own hackers department, which PROMIS Los Alamos and Sandia national laboratories to steal U.S. nuclear secrets.

[StrafingMoose]

33. IMO, the "bin Laden bought PROMIS" thing...

is an easy way out for those who claim there was no inside involvement in 9/11 and that OBL was totally undetectable.

[seemslikeadream]

14. BUDDY BUDDY

BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html

[samhsarah]

16. That's it, Markos must have lost his damn mind....

Letting these "Conspiracy Theorists" post on his site. What a nutjob. AS IF...... the Dubya Cabal WOULDN'T HAVE done everything in their power to stop 911 from happening. Sheesh. You people act like somehow he had something to gain by 911 happening? And that 9-11 Commission, now THAT was a stellar investigation, bipartisan and all.:P

[milkyway]

17. 2 more reasons:

1. How can the world's lone superpower, with a multi-trillion dollar military, not even be able to defend its own fucking headquarters when they knew more than an hour before that jets had been hijacked...and certainly once the first tower had been struck, they knew the jets were being used to target prominent buildings.

2. The bush administration has repeatedly lied about everything great and small. Why on earth should we unquestioningly believe their fairy tale about 9/11?

[CJCRANE]

22. I think the Pentagon had to be hit

because it would classify as an attack on the US military and therefore be an "act of war", thus providing a casus belli.

[hiley]

23. you want to know about the pentagon?

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/pentagon.htm

[CJCRANE]

28. Interesting...

it makes me wonder how long it's gonna take for this stuff to come out in the mainstream...
Let's face it, the "conspiracy theorists" have been right about everything else so far (eg. no WMD would be found, "extraordinary renditions", Abu Ghraib, Plamegate etc).

[hiley]

31. well as long as people are herded into the

dungeon it is going to take awhile..

[FULL_METAL_HAT]

29. Maybe KOS will now open the case on ELECTION THEFT??

That'd be a nice use of the Kossacks' attentions.

Exposure of election theft is really the most important story to open up.

9/11 MIGHT happen again ... but we KNOW elections will happen again (well unless there is another 9/11!) and if they are not safeguarded

Check out Mark Crispin Miller on the most recent "Ring Of Fire"
http://www.ringoffireradio.com/show.asp?jid=102

Here's the mp3 file ... skip ahead to 39 minutes in...
http://www.ringoffireradio.com/video/Ring%20Of%20Fire%20-%20Jan%2028th%202006%20Show%20-%20Lou%20DuBose,%20Mark%20Crispin%20Miller%20and%20Robert%20Dryfus.mp3

[Vox_Reason]

30. Saw this video last night--quite interesting

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801

Well worth your hour and 20 minutes, I'd say. I'm not a tinfoil guy, but there were many interesting points made in this presentation.