What material is falling from WT2?

[greyl]

In reference to this video:
http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem2/911.wtc.2.demolition.north.02.wmv


and this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=71278&mesg_id=71278

[DemInDistress]

1. good poll...nt

[JackRiddler]

2. how can I see this video?

No usual way of downloading or opening seems to work (right-click, etc.)

Is this footage anywhere else?

Can someone at least zap images from the clip?

[DemInDistress]

3. TRY THIS its also a better quality video...

Beam Me Up (1000+ posts) Fri Feb-17-06 01:14 AM
Response to Original message
5. MUCH higher quality videos of this phenomena available here:
1: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-29912547401458...

2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-85647721032374...

And don't miss this:

http://www.yikers.com/video_thermite_destroys_all.html
"we can set up all the oversight possible at great additional cost to the


courtesy of beam me up...

[JackRiddler]

4. sadly

these links also do not work.

[DemInDistress]

6. I'm not a pc geek Jack but what seems to be the problem?

these links all worked fine today. Do you have to many cookies in your pc? Can you google up 'terrorize.dk.com" ? This clip shows molten metal dripping from the floor of the crash 78-80th of WT2..
The argument is whether its steel or aluminum dripping.
Let me know if you are successful..

[JackRiddler]

9. Can someone please help?

Clearly, I must not have the complete software for playing this. It's a WMV file and I have the Windows Media Player, but I suspect I'm missing a codex or divx or some plug-in required for this particular subspecies of file, because all I get is a blank screen and no progress no matter what.

Does anyone have any idea what I'm lacking, or if a different player will work? Thanks.

[DemInDistress]

10. Jack...I'd like to help but my PC skills are weak..whenever I had

problems like this I quickly called aol tech help. Many times they successfully got me through these types of issues. why not call them..1-866-421-9012
Jack these videos were stunning troubling and puzzling. No explanations from NIST FEMA or the 911 "Ludicrous"
Commission. They didn't even mention the molten metals dripping from high above. here is a still pic.

[Make7]

12. RE: "They didn't even mention the molten metals dripping from high above."

"It has been reported in the FEMA report (McAllister 2002) as well as in the media that what appeared to be molten metal was observed pouring from the north face near the northeast corner. This is the area where the sustained fires were seen. Video records and photographs indicate that the material first appeared at 9:51:52 a.m. and continued to pour intermittently from the building until the time of collapse. Some of the material can be seen falling in Fig. H–21. Close-up video and photographs of the area where the material is pouring from have been examined and show that it is falling from near the top of window 80-256. The most likely explanation for this observation is that the material had originally pooled on the floor above, that is, floor 81, and that it was allowed to pour out of the building when this floor either pulled away from the outer spandrel or sank down to the point where the window was exposed. The fact that the material appears intermittently over a several minute period suggests that the floor was giving way bit by bit.

The composition of the flowing material can only be the subject of speculation, but its behavior is consistent with it being molten aluminum. Visual evidence suggests that significant wreckage from the plane passed through the building and came to rest in the northeast corner of the tower in the vicinity of the location where the material is observed. Much of the structure of the Boeing 767 is formed from two aluminum alloys that have been identified as 2024 and 7075 and closely related alloys. These alloys do not melt at a single temperature, but melt over a temperature range from the lower end of the range to the upper as the fraction of liquid increases. The Aluminum Association handbook (Aluminum Association 2003) lists the melting point ranges for the alloys as roughly 500°C to 638°C and 475°C to 635°C for alloys 2024 and 7075, respectively. These temperatures are well below those characteristic of fully developed fires (ca. 1,000°C), and any aluminum present is likely to be at least partially melted by the intense fires in the area."

http://wtc.nist.gov/progress_report_june04/appendixh.pdf  (pdf page 44-45)

This videotape suggests that, in the minutes immediately preceding the collapse, the most intensive fires occurred along the north face of the building, near the 80th floor level. Just prior to the collapse, a stream of molten material - possibly aluminum from the airliner - was seen streaming out of a window opening at the northeast corner at approximately this level.

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch2.pdf  (pdf page 34)

[DemInDistress]

14. Make-7 how wierd is that, yesterday they worked fine, I emailed

them to a few people..today I just tried again and GOOGLE ERROR..I am a paranoid person and this shit just adds more. Was the site overrun with 911 hunters and pulled? Is our government behind the disappearance? Anyway, terrorize.dk still has the video although its not as clear as beam me ups video..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x71278#top


BTW,, thanks for putting me on to that site..

[Make7]

17. Copying links from posts.

When you copy links from posts, you need to be sure to right-click and select Copy Shortcut to paste it into your post. DU's software automatically limits the length of the text shown for a link to prevent possible display problems when they are too long. When there is a link with three periods at the end of it, that means there is more text to the link but you just can't see it.

Here is an example using one of the google video links you posted before. First is the actual link, then the text of the link you copied, followed by what you posted.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet+9%2F11

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet+9%2F11

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-29912547401458...


See how the last one has three periods that are not a part of the link. (i.e. they aren't underlined and do not change color when you move your mouse over the link.)

Compare that to the second link above which has the same three periods that are a part of the link. If you copy and paste just the text of that link into your post, it will not have the additional information represented by the ... portion of the working link.

It's a good idea to preview your posts in order to make sure that the links are functioning before hitting the 'Post message' button.

You're welcome.

- Make7

[DemInDistress]

18. Thanks for that lesson Make 7 yes, I have a habit of adding ,,,

dots..I see now my mistake and will file this under,"lesson learned today" your ok Make 7 I often speak of you efforts to out the murderers of 911. And your technical skills are beyond compare.. thanks again my friend..

Dem

ps..keep in mind my PC skills are young but I try to learn things now and then..(there go those dots again)

[Make7]

19. You're welcome.

I make an awful lot of mistakes - that's how I learned most of what I know about computers. :)

Trying to copy links just from the text displayed in DU posts is done on a fairly regular basis around here - I'm sure I've done the same thing myself more than once. No worries.

- Make7

[Make7]

16. Find images on this page:

http://www.terrorize.dk/911/wtc2dem2

See a similar google video here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet+9%2F11

As far as your computer issues are concerned - if you have Windows Media Player 9, it will not tell you when you are missing the proper codec.

The movie from the original post uses Windows Media Video V7. If you really want to see that WMV movie, you could try downloading and installing a codec installation package from microsoft. You might have to hunt around for the right download to match your versions of player and operating system.

- Make7

[Make7]

13. Those google links appear to be cut off. ( n/t )

[DemInDistress]

15. Make7 try this again it appears to be working I'm watching again

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2991254740145858863&q=cameraplanet+9%2F11

DEM

[DemInDistress]

5. see post 11 @

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x71245

[Harald Ragnarsson]

7. Other

By products of Thermite reaction.

[Old and In the Way]

8. ya gotta wonder....

Beam me up's link to the thermite reaction was very interesting. I had no idea just how reactive that compound is. Watching that videotape sure looked like someone was doing some serious welding. First time I've seen that tape of the collapse. Can't say I'm any more convinced one way or another, but it was such a stunning film.

[Harald Ragnarsson]

27. Look at the 3rd link in his post. Guys using Thermite

They use it to melt through a car's engine block and other experiments. It is IDENTICAL to what we see happening at the corner of the tower before it collapses.

Without a doubt it is a smokig gun that something other than the official story was going on that day, but then there have been about 20 other smoking guns at this point and nothing has gained traction.

Adding the link

http://www.yikers.com/video_thermite_destroys_all.html

[spooked911]

11. could be any combustible, not necessarily molten metal

though does look like molten steel, I admit

The problem I have with molten metal is it's not clear where it's dripping FROM. The outer steel beams seem intact, and it is too far from the core beams to be them if it was thermite. I find it hard to believe it is metal floor trusses or any part of a plane that is molten.

The fact that this occurs right before the collapse is suspicious...

Note, I am convinced the towers were intentionally blown up, so don't get me wrong. This is interesting but it's hard to know the significance.

[greyl]

20. The timing IS important, because it may be a thermite reaction.

The material(whatever it was) was falling intermittently for 6 minutes prior to the collapse.
The theory at this link: http://www.911myths.com/WTCTHERM.pdf explains the probability that thermite reactions were ocurring.

"The fact that this occurs right before the collapse is suspicious..."

Yes, it leads to the logical question "Is the falling material somehow directly related with the collapse?"

"though does look like molten steel, I admit"

So either way, the conspiracy answer of "steel" or the scientific answer "aluminum", your theory of explosives demolition isn't supported?
Do you think it's possible to tell the difference between molten steel and molten aluminum?

[DemInDistress]

21. greyl says,

though does look like molten steel, I admit"

AND YES I do believe its possible to distinguish slivery liquid molten
metal (aluminum) from molten steel dripping (white hot/red hot). It can't be anything else grey. BTW why are you pushing 911myths? is it your site?

[greyl]

22. What did greyl say again?

Your post implies that I said "though does look like molten steel, I admit".

You are totally full of shit.

[DemInDistress]

23. see post #20..then take 2 asprins and call me in the morning nt

[greyl]

24. That was me quoting YOU!

Seek help.

[DemInDistress]

25. show me greyl where I said,"though it looks like molten steel I

admit" show me where I wrote that. Those are your words..not mine. What I imply is irrelevant to this your post. greyl says,"though it looks like molten steel,I admit"

GOODNIGHT DISRUPTOR. I sort of knew it grey, I gave you a few chances and you prove me correct. There are true
911 hunters and true 911 DEBUNKER'S/FAKERS

GOODNIGHT AND GOODLUCK..BTW STOP ANTAGONIZING PEOPLE (PETER FRANK)

Dem

[Make7]

29. Actually, it was 'spooked911' that wrote that in Post #11.

Link to Post #11.

 spooked911 (1000+ posts)

Sat Feb-18-06 01:47 PM 
Response to Original message 

 11. could be any combustible, not necessarily molten metal       

though does look like molten steel, I admit

The problem I have with molten metal is it's not clear where it's dripping FROM. The outer steel beams seem intact, and it is too far from the core beams to be them if it was thermite. I find it hard to believe it is metal floor trusses or any part of a plane that is molten.

The fact that this occurs right before the collapse is suspicious...

Note, I am convinced the towers were intentionally blown up, so don't get me wrong. This is interesting but it's hard to know the significance.

We need to know the whole truth about what happened on 9/11/01. http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/

 

Can't we all just get along? :)

- Make7

[DemInDistress]

30. Thanks Make7 I knew it was spooked..but greyl has been dogging

me for 2 days and I wanted to know from him how crow tasted.Yes, we can get along for we have a mission and I want to be part of that mission..arresting,indicting,convicting and executing the M-U-R-D-E-R-E-R-S who perpetuated the 911 attacks. I found DU to be the ultimate source for 911 hunters because all that material eventually winds up here.. thanks Make 7


Dem

[greyl]

31. Well, it sure as hell wasn't me. :) nt

[rman]

28. sure; dripping wood, paper, carpet etc...

glowing yellow, indicating a temperature of some 1500c or so.

[DemInDistress]

32. dripping wood, paper and carpet...give me a break..your

better than that rman.

< that suggestion !!

Dem

[rman]

34. i forgot the sarcasm tag

[DemInDistress]

37. thanks rman..I should have realized the post was in jest..

wood dripping rotf !! I was saddened when that site was pulled off the internet terrorize.dk had tons of videos and the good thing I found was it's not political unless one understands Danish.. the videos speak for themselves.
see you later.

Dem

[rman]

26. facts are not a matter of opinion

[Beam Me Up]

33. True, but a poll can be a measure of opinions held regardless of fact.

[AZCat]

35. Unfortunately opinions can sometimes be more important...

than the actual facts. This can be a source of anguish/frustration for those who are still stuck in the "reality-based community".

[file83]

36. There is so much plastic in office buildings - that could have been

melting plastic from a whole bunch of cubicles/chairs/flooring/equipment piled up against the wall and then began to melt/drip. Try it with plastic some time - as it drips, it continues to burn. Plastic is EVERYWHERE in an office. That's what I think that is - burning plastic.