okay, enough of this bickering. what really happened on 9-11 was:

[leftofthedial]

all this concrete-core, melting-point-of-steel, controlled-demolition stuff is making my tin foil hat rust.



BCG=Bush Crime Gang

"incompetence" means the BCG really would have wanted to stop such a horrible event, but just screwed it up

"negligence" means the BCG truly didn't care whether it happened or not and so failed to prevent it

On 9-11, what happened was:

[DemInDistress]

1. pure MIHOP by bcg and associates silverstein Inc.

World Trade 7 is a bad loose end... NIST FEMA and all the MSM can't touch it,......

[leftofthedial]

7. it seems to me there are several loose ends that if given a tug

could substantially unravel the whole pack of lies

and that is a big one

[sabbat hunter]

10. what did silverstein gain?

nothing. the insurance money will go towards rebuilding hte area. he didnt make money on it.

[gbwarming]

2. they had other priorities - tax cuts and energy deals for their buds...

rolling back environmental regulations, scuttling international treaties, keeping Iran-contra era presidential records secret, making sure money laundering remained easy in offshore banks, draping statues, making up stories about missing W keys, and thinking about IRAQ IRAQ IRAQ!!!

I chose negligent because they weren't interested in trying to prevent it - even though they were warned. Their failure to prepare, prevent and coordinate led to an incompetent response, a pattern we've seen repeated again and again with this bunch.

[file83]

3. MIHOP, youHOP, weallHOP, for MIHOP.

[jschurchin]

4. Thanks for the early morning.....

laugh. I needed that. Oh yeah, I agree with your sentiments exactly.

[leftofthedial]

6. grape or cherry?

[jschurchin]

8. Neither, thank you.

Actually, if you must know, my drink of choice is milk.

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[leftofthedial]

13. I don't know what was wrong with me when I posted before.

sorry about that.

[stickdog]

9. Pure MIHOP by G8 operatives. (nt)

[Christophera]

11. Consider BCG May All Be Puppets

If I was conducting this scam, I wouldn't have anybody that knew anything in any public position.

[sabbat hunter]

12. very interesting theory

and IMO knowing how incompetant * is, that is possible. who do you think the puppet masters could be?

[Christophera]

16. Who?=Bigger Secret Than How. 1st, What, Then How, Then Who = Logical

sequence.

WHO; is more important than how because the "how" was SERIOUSLY compromised when the south tower fell 1st after the north was hit 1st, harder and burned worst. How was comproimsed because timers were used instead of remotes on detonations or planes (at least the 1st plane).

I believe that even the puppet masters only know the script for their puppets. It is far safer that way because their secrete must pass the test of time. We never see the pupetteers, their names never are heard in public. They are the masters of the corporate puppets as well as the governmental. The legal, the media and all the way down the stratification of our society, and none are aware of the control. It is ingrained in our society, our mindset. The puppets actions all seem natural to them, under conditions that other puppets create. The actions even look appropriate at times, or at least we can understand them as such. They create cover and distraction for each other.

This puppet show has been going on since before any of us was born and is being played out on a stolen stage we think is real. If we accept the show, it will become real. Recall, 9-11 did happen and STILL, no accountability or even agreement as to WHAT happened.

[leftofthedial]

14. that lot are not exactly the most competent

who did it then, and why?

and why did it serve the BCG's political aims so perfectly?

[Christophera]

17. Those In Control Hope We Judge The Puppets Incompetent, Assist Us To

They hope to hide behind a veil of fabricated incompetence, using adept puppets. A tragicomedy punctuated by those refering to the concerns of the wary as reason for "tin foil hats".

Because the BCG is leadership in the theatre posed for us, we think the actions serve them. They do, but in minor ways compared to the goals of those really in control. If they did not, their actions would seem unatural, we would question them. We have been carefully conditioned to think government is incompetent and corrupt and that we are a hopeless herd of cats, thus we behave like one instead of agreeing. Which is all we need to to find our power.

[leftofthedial]

19. who are/is "they"?

[Christophera]

21. They Don't Matter-What Matters Is Our Agreement. Focus On Our Needs

forget them, whoever they are. Knowing can't help because no one will believe us and without help, our knowledge won't matter.

What they really have on us, is that they have agreed upon what they are doing.

Do we agree that is probably not going to be good for us? Well then, .............. let us get on with the agreements.


I'm serious and I even have a plan, loose but comprehensive.

http://algoxy.com/poly/optimize_for_peace.html

Give some thought to this.

http://algoxy.com/poly/poll_to_post.html

Basic education into historical structure employed to empower war all the way to 9-11.

http://algoxy.com/poly/emergency_powers_statutes.html

[Rich Hunt]

15. I agree...

International organized crime, based in U.S.

Response to investigations, being 'frozen out', dwindling opportunities and
bleak future for organized crime, esp. in the drug trade.

[Christophera]

18. Appropriate, But Actually Bigger Than That

and probably not based in the US, primarily.

And you are right about how certain investigations are frozen. Just like certain news never makes the media.

[Peter Frank]

20. Other...

...lihop/mihop mix.

[leftofthedial]

22. did lihop just get out of hand?

or were the BCG blindsided?

[Christophera]

27. LIHOP Can Only Relate To Air Defense Or Terror Warnings=Incompetence

and America is inured by media that promotes perceptions of government incompetence.

This is why I focus on the towers. Planes cannot bring them down even if you let them try. Those towers were very strong. PA engineer said towers could sustain as many as 6 plane hits depending on where.

[leftofthedial]

30. I agree. I didn't believe this lie right at the start

At lunch on 9-11-2001, I told the colleague with whom I was on a business trip that the "facts" with which we were being presented did not add up, starting with the way the buildings collapsed.

[Psychovise]

23. I would have said pure incompetence

Until I saw that "Loose Change" video... Now no matter how I look at it, there's so much that just doesn't add up. But, at least it seems like people are still discussing / debating it somewhere in the country... (As if it isn't obvious, I'm a bit of a newb here...)

[Christophera]

24. Years Of Media Promoting "Incompetence" Now We Expect It

And it remains a good cover that is versatile in its application.

[sabbat hunter]

25. loose change

is a good but biased video. they produced it knowing what end result/theory they wanted. bad scientific methodology.

[Twist_U_Up]

26. Welcome to DU Psychovise

Loose Change 2 is out. Is that the video you sawor is it Loose Change 1 ?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change

Welcome to our nightmare :hi:

[Psychovise]

28. Thanks, and a question

Thanks for the welcome here :)

As for Loose Change, I've seen both versions, though I watched the older edition first. Something about it was really unsettling, though… Even if it was biased, it seemed full of questions that deserve to be raised (and answered, not just brushed away for security reasons or whatever). Is there an alternate video or theory or something that investigates or attempts to answer the same questions in a way that makes sense with the story we've all been hearing for the past few years? Any sources or recommendations or insight into the matter would be greatly appreciated; I'd really like to figure out more about all this…

[rman]

29. supporters of the OCT spend most of their time trying to debunk

alternative theories about what happened.

It's like the Evolution Theory versus Intelligent Design 'debate':
there is very little if any argument trying to support the OCT (official conspiracy theory) - instead the supporters try to debunk alternate theories. Trying to debunk one theory does not make the other theory more plausible.

It should be noted that alternative theories are already one step beyond the essence of this, which is that the OCT is full of holes - which is really the only thing that counts in order to warrant reopening of the investigations into 9-11.

Proper investigation should reveal what did actually happen. It's not that anyone has to prove what did happen before an investigation can be started.

[John Q. Citizen]

31. I agree, rman. For me, it's impossible to make decisions based on

conjecture, but the fact that the OCT (official conspiracy theory)is preposterous is the basis for any action to further understand the events of 9/11.