WTC7 Collapse - 911

[cyberia]

Maybe I'm nuts. Some of my friends think so. However, I recently stumbled on a film clip that disturbed me. First, let me say that I'm not a MIHOP/LIHOP freak, but am content to think that the administration "got lucky" with 911 and has been able to exploit it to get its policies and wars accepted.

So, here's what bothers me: I saw this bit of video from a PBS documentary (or at least that's the claim made on the site where I saw it). I have not been able to verify authenticity. Perhaps someone who saw the documentary (released Sept. 2002) can confirm.

http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/wtc7/pullit.html

The video shows Larry Silverstein, who held the lease on the WTC, saying that he advised the NYFD to "pull" WTC7. That is, demolish it. The building came down about 5:20 PM on Sept. 11, 2001. The timing struck me as very short from decision to action. My uneducated guess was that it takes more than a couple of hours to prepare a 47-story building for demolition.

I decided to do a little research to see whether I could get an idea about how long it would take to set up a demolition.

Controlled Demolition Incorporated seems to be the experts in this field. Clearly, if WTC7 was demolished, it had to be done with charges placed to make it fall into its own footprint. Elementary physics tells us that a tower, which is a structure unstable equilibrium, will topple sideways unless you are careful about how you bring it down. Therein lies the artistry of controlled demolitions, which are an impressive sight.

Here's what CDI has to say about an emergency demolition that they carried out:

Sheikh A. Alakl Residential and Commercial Center
Jeddah, Saudia Arabia
Over the last 52 years, Controlled Demolition Incorporated has designed and used explosives to cause the controlled, progressive failure of thousands of brick, concrete and steel structures. It comes as no surprise that Controlled Demolition Incorporated’s database is highly useful in analyzing the condition of, and designing the implosion sequence for the demolition of structural systems damaged by construction failure, earthquakes, fires or explosions.

Half of the 17-story Sheikh A. Alakl Apartment Building in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia collapsed when portions of the new reinforced concrete facility were overloaded during final stages of construction. At the request of Bechtel, Controlled Demolition Incorporated’s team mobilized to the site in less than 24 hours, prepared the central-core, flat slab, reinforced concrete structure in another 27 hours and put the balance of the building on the ground with absolute safety just 96 hours after the start of demolition preparations. The "arm’s-length" nature of Controlled Demolition Incorporated’s operations, combined with our in-house engineering, rapid response capabilities and international network of resources make Controlled Demolition Incorporated the natural choice in dealing with structural emergencies, worldwide.

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/default.asp?reqLocId=11

In short, they took four days to bring down a 17-story building, a bit less than a third the height of WTC7. Let's be generous in estimating how long it would take to prepare WTC7 for demolition. Remember, according to Silverstein it was demolished, not destroyed by fire. First, assume that CDI could get a team and equipment on site in Manhattan faster than in Jeddah. Assume they were there within an hour or two. Already, that's longer than the time between Siverstein's decision to "pull it" and when the tower came down. Second, WTC7 is almost three times the height of the Jeddah apartment building, so if the work went linearly in time, it's easy to imagine it could take 50-60 hours to set charges in WTC7. Let's be generous and assume that it could be done in only 36 hours. This is still well before the morning of Sept. 11. It looks like WTC7 had to have been prepared for demolition at the latest during the a week prior to 911.

Why would it have been prepared for demolition at all?

Please don't bother to flame me. I know this is a touchy topic, and I'm not trying to start a tinfoil hat war. If there is an explanation for what happened, I'd really like to know about it. Thanks for to anybody who can help out.

[jschurchin]

1. Thank You for the link.

As far as motivation for the demise of WTC 7, they run the gambit from, no motivation fire caused it, to SEC investigations, OEM control center destruction, Insurance fraud, yada, yada, yada. Some have supporting evidence, some are pure speculation.

Sadly, as it stands right now, there is not enough information to prove any of them conclusively.

[rman]

2. Not knowing motive for CD, not knowing the details of what did happen,

doesn't make the official story any more plausible.

No more then a few fires, asymmetrical damage.

Yet complete and symmetrical collapse at free-fall speed.

Multiple reports of explosions in the MSM and emergency personnel communications.

I don't have to know what did happen in order to conclude that it did not happen as the official story claims.

[TheWraith]

5. Do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Even assuming that what you say is correct, and there are real reports of explosions (I don't take any conspiracy assertion at face value), any volunteer firefighter could tell you that explosions can happen without the need for bombs. Fires can cause explosion in the absence of anything, simply by way of superheated flames reaching fresh oxygen. There are many unstable chemicals such as ammonia and petrolium-based cleansers in any janitor's closet which could explode if exposed to fire.

As for the building collapsing... a building is essentially a machine designed to hold itself up. Like any complex machine, a building tends to be highly interdependant. So if one portion suffers catastrophic damage, the rest tends to be destroyed too. People here act like WTC7 is somehow an anomaly, but they forget that the entire World Trade Center plaza was destroyed by the combination of fire and falling debris. That this one building should get critically damaged, when we already know that there were large tanks of diesel fuel on the site for the building's generators, seems like a fairly obvious and reasonable deduction. But the conspiracy theorists here act like only an act of God could cause a building to collapse when hit by burning jet fuel and chunks of another building.

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[MrSammo1]

3. Why would it have been prepared for demolition at all?

Simple.

Building 7 was part of the day of deception.

In fact, pointing the finger at Silverstein was pure genius on the part of Rove!

"It wasn't us........it was him!"

[DemInDistress]

4. 911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB !! and the collapse of WT7 was an

outrageously "bad" loose end. Hell even NIST FEMA and that "Ludicrous" 911 Report can't adequately explain the fall. Fires my ass ! Then there are massive explosions caught on tape as well as firemen reports ems,police and citizens who heard EXPLOSIONS..

911 WAS TRULY A SAD TRAGIC DAY IN ALL HISTORY FOR OUR GOVERNMENT MURDERED FOR PROFIT.

[orleans]

6. agree. n/t

[dchill]

8. MURDERED FOR PROFIT...

is just the beginning of it. These Pinky and the Brain types want to RULE THE WORLD. They think they're smart enough and powerful enough, and they basically deserve it. To them, part of living in a democracy is having the right to own it any time they can buy it. Or steal it. Or just use it as a hostage to their fortune.

So totally NOT :sarcasm:

[dchill]

7. "got lucky" with 911...

You don't "hit the trifecta" without placing some bets.