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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:08 AM Original message |
Why there were NO BOMBS planted at the WTC. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. Huh? |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. why post this today? Are you worried people will re-examine Bush |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Because of an agument I had in the Thom Hartmann chat room. |
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Wilms (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Well one thing is for sure. |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:15 AM Response to Original message |
5. I would be incline to say that there were demolition bombs... |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #5 |
248. Really! |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:05 PM Response to Reply #248 |
313. Chocolate cake is what I prefer... |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
6. Have you listened to the audio tapes from the attack? |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:23 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. On that one, I wonder |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:36 AM Response to Reply #12 |
27. So why did the ground shake around the area? |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
48. Okay, I need to see 'Loose Change' for sure -thanks! |
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Kire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:17 AM Response to Reply #48 |
77. watch it right now on Google video |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:24 AM Response to Reply #77 |
90. thank you so much! I love this place in cyberspace! |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 09:25 AM Response to Reply #27 |
187. it was NOT |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:54 PM Response to Reply #187 |
264. The 767 wasn't fully loaded either. It has fuel capacity of |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
230. Do you mean like the Titanic was built to never sink? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:27 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. They heard explosions. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. And that is exactly what I expect this would sound like. nt |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:34 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. There is a tome of transcripts from first responders who heard and saw |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:10 AM Response to Reply #24 |
60. Uhhh, don't forget the millions of witnesses to two planes |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
333. Except the first responders were In the two towers. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 09:27 AM Response to Reply #24 |
188. missiles? |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:51 PM Response to Reply #188 |
262. shoulder fired missles...would be like a pinprick |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:34 PM Response to Reply #188 |
300. ah yes -- the seemingly unlimited supply of kerosene.. |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
231. Invisible missiles, disappearing airliners, |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:43 PM Response to Reply #231 |
259. From where in the fuck did the missile claim come? |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
222. Correct, it's called catastrophic structural failure. |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
235. They heard catastrophic failures |
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DemInDistress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-25-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #15 |
346. massive explosions were detonated in the basements |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:17 AM Response to Original message |
7. kinda why I lean toward LIHOP |
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Goldensilence (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:18 AM Response to Original message |
8. qualifications? |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:16 AM Response to Reply #8 |
75. Okay, name 1 or 2 other high rise buildings that were hit by 757/767 |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
219. The whole (sic) in the Pentagon. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
9. clean collapse -vs- dirty collapse |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:28 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. the possibility of a controlled demolition |
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Kire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:20 AM Response to Reply #9 |
84. CD? |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
10. They where way to many columns |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:47 AM Response to Reply #10 |
34. High rise buildings aren't like trees or phone poles. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:56 AM Response to Reply #34 |
46. I know what they are Im a friggin 20 yr Union Ironworker |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:13 AM Response to Reply #46 |
65. No offense, but I know a lot of 20+ year ironworkers and don't consider |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:16 AM Response to Reply #65 |
76. No offense taken |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:52 AM Response to Reply #76 |
171. Someone who's sitting behind a desk looking at numbers |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:38 AM Response to Reply #171 |
194. But even educated people leave out variables in their calculations. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:49 AM Response to Reply #194 |
203. Thank you nt |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:42 AM Response to Reply #65 |
196. Architects don't study demolition either |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
228. Well, you are totally wrong. |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:11 PM Response to Reply #228 |
245. Hi Longship, |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:20 PM Response to Reply #245 |
250. Hehehe |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #250 |
253. Which building was the world's number one terrorist target before 9/11? |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:41 PM Response to Reply #253 |
258. The WTC. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:04 PM Response to Reply #258 |
266. You have rejected Kevin's thesis without bothering to |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #266 |
271. Sorry Kevin, but that theory doesn't fit either. |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #271 |
288. This and that |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:50 PM Response to Reply #288 |
290. You're over parsing my words. |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 02:20 AM Response to Reply #290 |
321. Seven again |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #288 |
297. Stand corrected. 47 stories. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #297 |
335. You say WTC 7 was uniquely exposed |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #258 |
285. Not a global conspiracy |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:05 PM Response to Reply #285 |
294. Read my posts above. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:20 PM Response to Reply #294 |
296. Your Straw Man is Baloney All Right |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:42 PM Response to Reply #296 |
302. Do NOT put words in my mouth. |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 05:13 AM Response to Reply #294 |
326. Numbers |
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eyepaddle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:31 AM Response to Reply #326 |
328. The 200m drop is an approximation, half the structure is |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 11:05 AM Response to Reply #328 |
330. Thank you for your explanation |
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eyepaddle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 11:32 AM Response to Reply #330 |
331. It's been awhile since I read the OP, |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #331 |
332. He says |
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DemInDistress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-25-06 06:01 PM Response to Reply #245 |
347. wow, you debunker's howl loudly.. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:06 PM Response to Reply #228 |
268. These questions have simple answers, every one. nm |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:31 PM Response to Reply #228 |
298. You cannot know that anyone is completely wrong. |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:29 PM Response to Reply #298 |
307. Two theories. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 11:26 PM Response to Reply #307 |
315. I'll take Two B. |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 02:57 AM Response to Reply #315 |
324. ZERO evidence that they were loaded. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 02:59 PM Response to Reply #324 |
337. Name ONE person who witnessed the preparation of the building |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 11:46 PM Response to Reply #337 |
342. Hey, if he's done here... |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 02:52 PM Response to Reply #307 |
336. Dishonest Framing Yields Dishonest Answers |
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frylock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:54 PM Response to Reply #228 |
304. evidently, there were several unscheduled safety drills.. |
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TheModernTerrorist (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
81. straight down is not the quickest path |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:20 AM Response to Reply #81 |
83. It is the ONLY path. |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:16 AM Response to Reply #83 |
182. I have to disagree with that. |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #182 |
191. Underneath was mostly air |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 12:56 AM Response to Reply #191 |
316. right, all I ask |
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TheModernTerrorist (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
212. ok then |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:26 AM Response to Reply #81 |
94. exactly, most in the center with no damage |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:46 AM Response to Reply #81 |
170. If that's true |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
87. To answer your toppling question |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:32 AM Response to Reply #87 |
102. Firemen on a floor that was hit? I never heard that and don't believe it. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:16 AM Response to Reply #102 |
140. Could you please watch this |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:12 PM Response to Reply #102 |
269. Chief Palmer radioed from 78 (the impact zone) of WTC2. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #102 |
309. I thought you said you watched Loose Change ? |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 02:46 AM Response to Reply #309 |
323. selective memory, drawing out the debate |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:21 PM Response to Reply #87 |
220. Heat not hot enough? |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #220 |
270. Even if heat made the floors drop, the core should have held. |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #270 |
282. NO!!! Not true. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:33 PM Response to Reply #282 |
299. 'MIHOP making things up.' |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 09:19 PM Response to Reply #299 |
312. hmmm |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 05:25 AM Response to Reply #312 |
327. There you go again. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #282 |
310. If thats the case |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:04 PM Response to Reply #34 |
267. Plus, the building is not strong laterally. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:15 AM Response to Reply #10 |
73. Good pic of the shell and core going up |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:34 PM Response to Reply #73 |
256. Good questions. |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:23 AM Response to Reply #10 |
88. The Empire State Bldg was hit by a B-25 which is less than 1/10 the size |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:30 AM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Silverstein owned all 7 buildings |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:47 AM Response to Reply #96 |
116. Do you have a link to that? I never heard it. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:55 AM Response to Reply #116 |
124. Deleted message |
karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:20 AM Response to Reply #124 |
142. Okay, I read it. Putting the word "fortuitously" in quotes (as I just did |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:30 AM Response to Reply #142 |
143. Marvin Bush |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:32 AM Response to Reply #142 |
144. There where 3 or 4 evacuations also |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:41 AM Response to Reply #142 |
149. If you trace that line of thought, |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:45 AM Response to Reply #149 |
151. I agree people need to look around more |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:57 AM Response to Reply #151 |
155. I'm done in here. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:18 PM Response to Reply #149 |
272. find out where these rumors come from. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:02 AM Response to Reply #96 |
179. silverstein |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 01:00 AM Response to Reply #96 |
317. no, silverstein leased the buildings |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:58 AM Response to Reply #10 |
178. construction |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
240. Re: to (sic) many columns |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
11. That's not a radical statement at all. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:26 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Mike Malloy interviews author of "THE NEW PEARL HARBOR" - > mp3 |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. I heard that. |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:34 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. no way a few madmen could pull off all that... |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. Thank you! |
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bpilgrim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:32 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. there is your problem... |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:30 AM Response to Original message |
18. There was a similar, but much more detailed, analysis done by |
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ConsAreLiars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:55 AM Response to Reply #18 |
44. Here's the summary in Scientific American |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:54 AM Response to Reply #18 |
161. explosives pre-planted in the buildings in the very areas the planes hit |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 09:31 AM Response to Reply #161 |
189. radio controlled? |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:25 PM Response to Reply #189 |
252. When you put your pants on it's left leg first, then right. |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:47 PM Response to Reply #252 |
260. im sorry |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:26 PM Response to Reply #260 |
273. im sorry too |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:39 PM Response to Reply #273 |
277. got a laugh |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
20. Heres some science |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:32 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Bad science. I know that report well. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:38 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. answer me this then |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:00 AM Response to Reply #29 |
49. Samples of steel WERE saved. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:47 AM Response to Reply #49 |
152. For govt. analysis, noone else, sent the rest to china |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:57 PM Response to Reply #152 |
243. That's just not true. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #243 |
274. numerous independant studies of the WTC collapse. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:52 AM Response to Reply #49 |
160. NIST steel samples. |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #29 |
242. Uh, because they were experienced in removing debris? |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:32 PM Response to Reply #242 |
275. Steel was Saved |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:33 PM Response to Reply #275 |
276. Google's your friend. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:35 PM Response to Reply #276 |
301. I have been googling it a long time. You're the one making |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:00 PM Response to Reply #301 |
305. bingo he wont provide the stated . never has |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:53 AM Response to Reply #20 |
122. Sorry, but I don't trust this guy, he doesn't even know what thermite IS: |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:45 AM Response to Reply #122 |
197. Good catch. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 03:14 PM Response to Reply #122 |
338. You just want to play gotcha. Dr. Jones is not a chemist, nor |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
21. BIG ERROR: 500,000 tons = 453,592,500 KG |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:35 AM Response to Reply #21 |
26. No. 500,000 tons was EACH TOWER... |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:45 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Then you have inconsistent statements |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
52. NO... |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #52 |
86. You'll have to provide some evidence that the live load of a building |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:30 AM Response to Reply #86 |
97. Even if true, the result does not change. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:33 AM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Ok, now you are just plain wrong |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:39 AM Response to Reply #103 |
111. No, a 100% error would be ZERO. nt |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:44 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. Oh, and would comparing it to 250 tons of high explosive be enough... |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:02 AM Response to Reply #112 |
131. Well now that you bring it up... |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:05 AM Response to Reply #131 |
135. Good point! |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:58 AM Response to Reply #111 |
128. Doubling something is adding 100% of a value to itself. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:04 AM Response to Reply #128 |
133. Depends on which side of the error you look from... |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:37 AM Response to Reply #128 |
169. Weight of one tower = 250,000 tons including everything, |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:46 AM Response to Reply #169 |
199. I used that number in my revised essay. nt |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:06 PM Response to Reply #199 |
208. back peddle quick !! |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:08 PM Response to Reply #128 |
209. 500,000 tons in contents |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:37 AM Response to Original message |
28. Hmmm. |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:39 AM Response to Original message |
30. Finally, the voice of reason. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Unfortunately, his math is 100% wrong. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:07 AM Response to Reply #36 |
55. Nope. You misread. nt |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:30 AM Response to Reply #55 |
98. Where do you say anything in your O.P. about doubling the weight |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:33 AM Response to Reply #98 |
104. pp 7 nt |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:38 AM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Must have been added after I read the O.P. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:52 AM Response to Reply #109 |
121. I had some square brackets in there... |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
32. you know, Ben, you and I |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:46 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. We agree on enough. |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
35. The top floors acted like a |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:52 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. This was a force of a magnitude that steel could not withstand. nt |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:25 AM Response to Reply #39 |
93. Not all the beams had the same force on them |
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SnoopDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:48 AM Response to Original message |
37. Ok... Big fucking deal... |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:49 AM Response to Original message |
38. I'm sorry. Some thoughts, but first a question - |
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Blackthorn (675 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:53 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Exactly. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. I'm not trying to explain the WHY. |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:56 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. oh - ok. |
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tatertop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:04 AM Response to Reply #38 |
51. That is exactly my take on it |
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JohnnyRingo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
40. I agree....As much as I enjoy the occasional conspiracy theory... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:54 AM Response to Original message |
42. This explanation works fine for the two towers |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:55 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I always took it to mean that he wanted to pull the firefighters. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:14 AM Response to Reply #45 |
67. Why didn't he say that, then? |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:15 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. And to firefighters. Or so one told me. nt |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #74 |
280. They didn't fight the WTC7 fire. There were no firefighters to pull nm |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:00 AM Response to Reply #45 |
162. he wanted to pull the firefighters. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
50. Sorry Ben, but you're math has 100% error in it |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:06 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Nope. You didn't read the text accurately. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:25 AM Response to Reply #54 |
91. Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt and even though you never |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
53. I didn't double check your math but it looks right. As an aeronautical en |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:08 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Have you ever seen Loose Change 1 or 2 ? |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:08 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Thanks! |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:43 AM Response to Reply #53 |
150. They needed a "Pearl Harbor"type event |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:48 PM Response to Reply #53 |
278. why bother with airplanes? |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:08 AM Response to Original message |
56. the towers didn't fall . . . they dissolved . . . |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:09 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Yes, actually, they do. |
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OneBlueSky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:25 AM Response to Reply #59 |
92. and what caused the masses of smoldering molton steel . . . |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:17 AM Response to Reply #92 |
141. Where the hell do you get the idea |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:15 AM Response to Reply #56 |
72. They did not dissolve. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:19 AM Response to Reply #72 |
82. Must have been Godzilla. nt |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
61. Molten Steel before the collapse |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:12 AM Response to Reply #61 |
64. or this one |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:14 AM Response to Reply #64 |
68. or this one |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:36 AM Response to Reply #68 |
107. or this one |
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stevietheman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:32 AM Response to Reply #61 |
192. Exactly. |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
62. What airliner hit tower 7? |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:14 AM Response to Reply #62 |
69. Both of them! Indirectly. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
207. LOL you amaze me |
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libertypirate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
63. Oh goodie another lesson |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:13 AM Response to Original message |
66. A delightful fantasia. Why not set it to music. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:14 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Why not? |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:17 AM Response to Reply #70 |
78. A better word would be illusions. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:18 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Because you cannot. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:21 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. I already have, many times. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:23 AM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Put it in writing. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:26 AM Response to Reply #89 |
95. For you, I'll repeat myself. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:30 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. Because you cannot. nt |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:49 AM Response to Reply #99 |
118. There's no hurry. |
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fearnobush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
71. Thanks, Lihop yes, Mihop I doubt. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:17 AM Response to Reply #71 |
79. I don't believe that WTC would have survived a loaded 707. |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:36 PM Response to Reply #79 |
224. Plus the 707 scenerio was a "low speed" one. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:50 PM Response to Reply #224 |
279. Tom Eagar said the impact was "Like a bullet hitting a tree" nm |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:04 AM Response to Reply #71 |
134. i do not believe your 707 facts are correct..please check them out |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:04 AM Response to Reply #71 |
163. a 767 is about 3 times the size of a 707 |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 01:51 AM Response to Reply #163 |
320. thats not true..n/t |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #71 |
223. It was a B-25, not a B-29... |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 01:08 AM Response to Reply #71 |
318. not to mention the whole Pentagon thingq |
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Rainscents (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:30 AM Response to Original message |
100. I don't buy into your math! |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:36 AM Response to Reply #100 |
108. The fuel, impact, and burning contents only needed to cause a slump. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:50 AM Response to Reply #108 |
119. for this to happen |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:06 AM Response to Reply #108 |
165. just a small deformation |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 01:10 AM Response to Reply #165 |
319. even with a controlled demolition |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:45 AM Response to Reply #100 |
113. Where'd you work with burning jet fuel? What type? |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:31 AM Response to Original message |
101. Noam Chomsky's opinion; |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:34 AM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Wise man. nt |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:03 AM Response to Reply #101 |
132. MIHOP definitely involves a large number of people |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:54 AM Response to Reply #101 |
153. People said the same thing about JFK too |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:10 AM Response to Reply #101 |
166. It would have had to involve a large number of people |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:41 AM Response to Reply #101 |
176. Chomsky has "looked at some of it" |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 09:15 AM Response to Reply #101 |
186. Thank you. |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #101 |
234. He's obviously never seen |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #101 |
292. "...they'd have had to be quite mad to try anything like that." |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:38 AM Response to Reply #106 |
110. Right! |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
114. This post debunks your whole theory |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:50 AM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Faulty logic. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:06 AM Response to Reply #120 |
136. This isnt about just air sorry |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:11 AM Response to Reply #120 |
138. Exactly! Whoever wrote that had the simple equations right but did not |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:46 AM Response to Reply #138 |
158. I think they are using an incorrect collapse time. |
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Desertrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:12 AM Response to Reply #120 |
139. Faulty logic? |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
115. Pentagon plane; Titanium burning question re; Loose Change |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:48 AM Response to Reply #115 |
117. it will ignite it just doesnt get close to hot enough |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:57 AM Response to Reply #117 |
127. a CNC machine tool's rotational surface friction is enough to ignite when |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:58 AM Response to Reply #127 |
129. Heres a better description |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:01 AM Response to Reply #129 |
130. is Titanium in that Chinese stuff somewhere |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:36 AM Response to Reply #129 |
145. I've read a lot of so-called "analyses", but this one is the stupidest one |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:41 AM Response to Reply #145 |
148. Those trusses where not continuous. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:13 PM Response to Reply #145 |
314. 10' drop of several stories of weight would crush the floor below |
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Harald Ragnarsson (366 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-25-06 02:58 PM Response to Reply #145 |
344. No it doesn't. It assumes that all that heat was confined to one floor |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:54 AM Response to Original message |
123. Loose Change cont. -Boeing secrecy |
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hangloose (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
125. I appreciate YOUR EFFORT, HOWEVER........ |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:38 AM Response to Reply #125 |
146. Super Cosmo? |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
126. A handful guys that knew how to steer an airplane |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:40 AM Response to Reply #126 |
147. That is a non sequitur and an entirely separate discussion. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:56 AM Response to Reply #126 |
154. And their mastermind ran it from a cave . |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
137. Loose Change; great point on Ti engines ramming thru Pentagon |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:20 PM Response to Reply #137 |
232. Don't also forget that ......... |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:06 AM Response to Original message |
156. If it was CD |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:14 AM Response to Reply #156 |
167. How did they know which floors |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:07 AM Response to Reply #167 |
190. Not likely |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #190 |
233. You can actually see |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:38 PM Response to Reply #190 |
257. "Placement of the charges is a huge undertaking " |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:18 PM Response to Reply #257 |
306. Petgoat have you read this theory ? |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 02:18 PM Response to Reply #306 |
334. C4 in floor pans |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 04:07 AM Response to Reply #257 |
325. the explosions in the basement...... |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:35 AM Response to Reply #190 |
329. A proper 'clean' CD requires considerable preparation |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:21 AM Response to Original message |
157. Most people who claim the WTC fell "naturally"... |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:28 AM Response to Reply #157 |
174. As I said above... |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:12 AM Response to Reply #174 |
180. Your numbers don't check out: |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:37 AM Response to Reply #180 |
193. Are you sure? |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:40 AM Response to Reply #193 |
195. Exactly. |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #193 |
201. Pretty sure |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 11:01 AM Response to Reply #201 |
204. Ive seen similar mistake often enough |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #204 |
241. NIST or MIT |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #241 |
284. Your points |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:51 PM Response to Reply #284 |
291. Sagging, etc. |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #174 |
236. Have you tried to contact |
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Griffy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:47 AM Response to Original message |
159. GOOBLDEEGOOK! WTC 7 was controlled DEMO |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:08 PM Response to Reply #159 |
244. There is no evidence of this. |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:24 PM Response to Reply #244 |
251. Seven |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #251 |
263. Structural failure does the same exact thing. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:06 AM Response to Original message |
164. Potential energy is not released explosivly in natural collapse |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #164 |
237. Don't you dare.......... |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:27 AM Response to Original message |
168. My two cents - visually, your assertions bear out without question... |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:07 AM Response to Reply #168 |
172. No, they don't |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:19 AM Response to Reply #172 |
173. UA 175 hit the southeast corner and ripped thru the east side... |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:34 AM Response to Reply #173 |
175. South wall |
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Cooley Hurd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 07:45 AM Response to Reply #175 |
177. Because UA 175 didn't hit the south wall dead-on... |
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Kevin Fenton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:15 AM Response to Reply #177 |
181. More damage to south side |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:15 PM Response to Reply #177 |
210. ya think ? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
183. Deleted message |
progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
184. All yer fancy book lernin don't mean nothin. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
185. Deleted message |
Trish1168 (371 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
198. The issue is the rate of fall....the rate was almost free fall.. |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:47 AM Response to Reply #198 |
200. Actually they can fall no other way. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #200 |
254. they can fall no other way |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:32 PM Response to Reply #198 |
238. Silly......... |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
202. One last comment because you refuse to listen |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 11:06 AM Response to Reply #202 |
205. I did. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 11:58 AM Response to Reply #205 |
206. Well one more then ALL FACTS W/Sources |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:30 PM Response to Reply #206 |
213. Are you calling me a liar? |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:39 PM Response to Reply #213 |
214. I never called you that |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #214 |
215. Yes I am saying that. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:03 PM Response to Reply #215 |
217. People seem to want to have the WTC packed with |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #217 |
281. Most structural engineers were surprised when the World Trade Center tower |
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eyepaddle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 04:52 PM Response to Reply #281 |
339. Did you see what else most structural engineers said (according to NOVA) |
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karlrschneider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:54 PM Response to Reply #215 |
311. Well, DU is like a fairly large town and even a village has at least one |
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sabbat hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:56 PM Response to Reply #206 |
265. some |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #265 |
283. a majority of the jet fuel went into the building. |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #202 |
239. I love the scene........ |
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Speck Tater (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
211. Watch the video... |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #211 |
286. planted at exactly the floors where the impact took place. |
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truckin (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
216. I cannot comment on the validity of these calculations but one |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
218. BenBurch, thanks for this. |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:29 PM Response to Reply #218 |
221. Benburch has been debunked throughly |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:41 PM Response to Reply #221 |
225. Debunked? |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:56 PM Response to Reply #225 |
227. just scan the threads |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #221 |
226. Obvious? |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 02:01 PM Response to Reply #226 |
229. So beyond obvious its silly |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:12 PM Response to Reply #226 |
247. Don't worry too much. |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #226 |
303. Your gradiosity is self-discrediting |
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Twist_U_Up (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 08:43 PM Response to Reply #226 |
308. I'm MIHOP whats my "Agenda" ? |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 02:45 AM Response to Reply #308 |
322. "...every day it becomes a little more clear..." |
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petgoat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:17 PM Response to Reply #218 |
287. cast of characters would be in the high thousands |
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Woody Box (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
246. Why don't you debunk Professor Steven E. Jones' research? |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:17 PM Response to Reply #246 |
249. Again? It's been done. |
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Woody Box (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:33 PM Response to Reply #249 |
255. OK |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 03:48 PM Response to Reply #255 |
261. One rebuttal to Jones and a "thermite reactions" explanation |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
289. "damaged building #7 so badly that it later fell." |
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MrSammo1 (788 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-25-06 12:13 AM Response to Reply #289 |
343. there must have been |
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TrueStory (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
293. Atomic bomb releases it's energy in a few micro-seconds |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-23-06 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
295. Your THEORY is FULL OF HOLES! |
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benburch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:35 PM Response to Reply #295 |
340. Energy is neither created nor destroyed in a mechanical interaction. |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 11:19 PM Response to Reply #340 |
341. Your potential is dissipating. |
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dailykoff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-25-06 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
345. "Two half-kiloton atom bombs went off in Manhattan on 9/11!" |
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