This Week was the tipping point on LIHOP/MIHOP in the media

[HamdenRice]

In the past week, the following happened in the media:

The Village Voice, the premiere alternative media newspaper of the nation, did a cover story and several related stories on the 9/11 truth movement, mostly from a sympathetic perspective, skeptical of the official story;

Mike Malloy did a long segment with David Ray Griffin, and ackowledged to his listeners that he believed in MIHOP. In fact, that MIHOP is so obvious, that he can'tunderstand how the administration could be so obvious about it.

Janeane Garafolo has now stated that she believes 9/11 was an inside job.

In retrospect, I think that we will look back on this week as the week when the acceptance of the reality of government complicity in 9/11 reached a critical mass.

[hack89]

1. You are kidding, right?

Not only to those three sources represent a tiny fraction of news media - they are decidedly out the mainstream. Those Americans who do bother to keep up with the news don't go to the Village Voice or Air America. Think for a second how much you would know about 911 without the internet and then consider just how few people routinely go to the internet for their news.

When I hear my friends, neighbors and coworkers talking about it is when I will accept that a critical mass has been reached. The subject never comes up - they have plenty to say about Iraq but it would never cross their minds that the government was involved in 9/11.

[HamdenRice]

2. By critical mass, I don't mean the majority or mainstream media ...

but I do mean that the story has achieved respectability in what we could call the mainstream alternative media.

At some point, when a story is widely reported by sources like the Voice and Democracy Now, even if the majority don't read those sources, the mainstream media has to or begins to address them.

And, BTW, in New York City, the Voice is a very important paper with circulation roughly equal to the tabloids.

[hack89]

3. But there will be a pushback ..

so this may not be a good thing unless the CT community is able to answer the public's question of "what really happened?". Right now there are plenty of questions but no single theory of what happened, much less any proof. The public is not going to be willing to wade through reams of material like we are - how do you present a case simply so anyone can understand it? You can't even get a consensus view in this forum so I am doubtful it can be done for the public.

[HamdenRice]

4. The consensus exists ... and it is ...

that

1. the official story is obviously not what happened, and therefore,

2. we have been and are being lied to and there is a coverup;

3. we don't yet know what happened;

3. we need a real investigation of what happened.

On forums like this, we propose lots of theories, but we accept we have little investigative capacity. We can ask questions, however, that may be helpful in the future. Hence there is not a consensus about what actually happened.

[hack89]

5. But who will do this investigation?

Considering that every organization capable of doing such an investigation was either involved in the official investigation (NIST, FBI) or is complicit by their silence or support of the official story (most universities and professional organizations). Just who do you trust to carry out this investigation?

[petgoat]

8. The usual procedure is to appoint a "Blue-Ribbon Commission"

of experts and thinkers of proven integrity and independent mindedness.

That's what the 9/11 Commission was supposed to be, but that bunch of
political hacks failed on all counts above. They all had conflicts
of interest, and Zelikow, the Executive Director, had been a member of
the Bush Administration. When asked why they left Able Danger out of
the report Deputy Executive Director Christopher Kojm reportedly said,
because "it did not fit with the story we wanted to tell."

[hack89]

10. Who picks this commission?

the politicians, both democrat and republican, that make up the government that supposedly engineered 911?

[theSaiGirl]

6. We do know what happened. We ARE penetrating the mainstream.

We have the evidence to indict and arrest.

But we must remember that the "revolution will NOT be televised",
... at least not until AFTER it happens.

"Scholars for 9/11 Truth" did several hours on George Noory's "Coast to Coast AM" show, which is heard by millions (carried by some ClearChannel outlets, I believe).

Professors Jim Fetzer, David Ray Griffin and Morgan Reynolds made solid and ccnvincing arguments for "controlled demolition" and "inside job".
Even Noory himself admitted that evidence points to MIHOP.

To quote Morgan Reynolds (former Bush administration official and Professor Emeritus of Law at Texas A&M):
“We can convict them in a court of law. Our evidence is strong enough..... ... Justice is our primary goal. Truth is a means to arrive there.”

"Controlled demolition" => "inside job" is our primary meme.
That's what has to be forced into the mainstream

[hack89]

7. Who exactly would you indict ..

how do you draw a direct link between Bush and 911? All he would have to say was it was rouge elements in the government and he knew nothing about it.

You say you have the evidence - what is it that links specific people to specific acts? You certainly don't have that kind of evidence.

[petgoat]

9. How do you draw a direct link between Bush and 911?

The same way you do it in any organized crime investigation. You follow the money (back to
the CIA) and you flip the Lieutenants to get to the Colonels etc etc etc.

David Frasca might be one place to start. That Bush ordered the FBI to go easy on the
Saudis is pretty damning. That he ignored the 8-6 PDB is too.

For one approach to involving Bush, check out the RICO suit Rodriguez v. Bush.

http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/RodriguezComplaint.htm

[theSaiGirl]

16. Naming the names: Indicting and arresting the 9/11 perps.

"... We already have enough evidence to arrest, charge, indict and convict these guys. ...
As a prosecutor might put it about the 9/11 Commissioners and Staff Director Zelikow, “They were all mobbed up.” - Morgan Reynolds

Morgan Reynolds (former chief economist at the Labor Dept. in the Bush administration and Professor Emeritus of Law at Texas A&M) has specifically fingered Marvin Bush's security firm as primary suspects in the prepping of the WTC for controlled demolition.
The firm got the security contract shortly before 9/11.
Of course, given Larry Silverstein's admission on PBS "Frontline" that "we decided to pull" WTC7, he would be at the top of the list.
Rudolf Giuliani and Bernard Kerik would also be at the top of the list for prior knowledge and obstsruction of justice.

http://reprehensor.gnn.tv/blogs/12373/Morgan_Reynolds_Q_A
http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=324

[Christophera]

18. CORRECT: Mainstream Is Watching Us-Many Know, Only Waiting On Acceptance

by more of the public.

I've seen a change in the posting here in the last few months. Less, or shorter lived, credibly sincere criticism, more single contacts checking details and accountability to facts.

Yes, our evidence is strong. And the credibility of the deceivers is less and less.

I love it,

"Justice is our primary goal. Truth is a means to arrive there.”

[paulthompson]

11. I understand...

There will be a big story on the 9/11 truth movement in New York magazine in the next couple of weeks.

[HamdenRice]

12. Thanks for the heads up but ....

Do you mean "New York Magazine" or "The New Yorker"? The former is much more conservative and frivolous in the kinds of stories it covers, while the latter, being both more serious and more progressive, has been publishing Sy Hersh's fantastic articles on the Iraq war intelligence as lies rather than "failures", and articles on torture, both of which which are more consistent editorially, with the 9/11 truth movement.

[paulthompson]

14. I said...

New York magazine, and that's what I meant. I wish it was the New Yorker, but it's not. The New Yorker is one of the only magazines I'd even think about subscribing to.

[Christophera]

13. You Are Correct! Our Efforts Are Rewarded. Make The Obvious More Obvious

I noticed this media awareness too.

Fear, ............. people are getting over their fear. We really need to praise them for it.

They always knew it was a demolition, it is obvious.

They were afraid and now are getting over it due to the act of sharing of a segment of the population that can only be termed "bash and brazen but accurate generation of truth whores".

Freedom is beautiful, truth keeps it that way.

[truth2power]

15. I don't see how anyone can think

it wasn't an inside job. The official story is bizarre in so many ways.

Read Webster Tarpley's book: 911, Synthetic Terror.

[Christophera]

17. Yes, Tarpley Has Comprehensive Perspectives, Or Moreso Than Many

The issue of the concrete core changes the entire picture in a significant way. Suddenly the authority in charge of the investigation is guilty of a deception fundamental to the unexplained free fall.

[rman]

19. major glitch in the matrix.

lo and behold; agents are scrambling.