9-11 dredged up yet again. We must be really stupid.

[Capn Sunshine]

WTF is it with this latest round of 9-11 self flaggelation? Released the operator half of the emergency phone calls? THAT has to be the most insignificant, non informative news left on this subject. Yet, it's working. It always works. That's why they go to this well with such predictable regularity.

It's the singlemost exploited event in the history of modern presidencies, and at the moment, reminding us of the fairy tale constructed by the White House about 9-11 is a welcome relief for them from scandal and dishonor, resignation, lawbreaking , post signing statements , conviction , indictments and arrest associated with the entity we refer to as BushCo.

I just wanted to remind anyone reading this that Bush did not conduct himself strongly or heroically in the months leading up to the event, during the event itself, and in the aftermath. Like the inattentive and incompetent reaction to the Katrina disaster, where more Americans lost their lives than 9-11, the initial reaction of Bush to the 9-11 attacks was dumbfounded, deer-in-the headlights coma, captured for all the world to see in "Farenheit 911". Then, for the next ten to twelve hours, he was "on the run", like his nemesis Bin Laden purportedly is, flying Air Force One from hither to yon like a rabbit seeking escape from a pursuing coyote, far far from the events themselves , in the bosom of midwest America and its vast asphalt tundras of Air force bases. Far removed from where we anxiously awaited him to be, the White House, the captain, at the helm. Or at the site of the disaster itself, where the dearth of leadership became so painful that Rudy Guiliani revitalized his tarnished, scandal plagued joke of an image by recognizing this need and stepping in to fill the void.

With Darth Cheney deep within the recesses of an undisclosed location, like freaking Batman, Sec Def Rumsfeld was left to merrily strut the halls of power, direct the minions at the White House to "tie all of this to Saddam " gleefully thinking that the desired attack fulfilled his dreams of American Empire and conquest he had harbored since the Nixon era.

Finally, when all possibility of danger had passed, plus 36 hours, Bush shows up at the site and snatches a bullhorn, jumping in front of a parade of outraged citizens of all denominations and political hues.

Some hero. Yet, the construct, the catapult of propaganda reminds us today of how heroic, decisive and brave Bush was in the face of madmen who he arguably assisted in their mission by virtue of his administration's stunning incompetence.

What has passed since that fateful day has been a gradual descent into the hell of unimagined arrogant incompetent paranoia atthe expense of every good American domestic progam since 1932 , and not seen since the Nixon White House.

Really, why should it be any different? The whole cast of players is the same, then as now, and they seem to have at their command a pliant, arguably drunken, paranoid with a lust for expansion of presidential powers and tendency towards religious delusion, hell bent on destroying his legacy by overreaching far beyond his intellectual capacity. Nixon then, Bush now. All else remained the same. The Pentagon waste, the arms sales, the bullshit weapons program gravy trains, the corruption and rot cynically exploiting the honest hearts of simple patriots.

And you would think all of THAT would be dredged up any time 9-11 is mentioned. Well, it starts here, with me, and I'm here to remind all of you that the preceeding is what you should recall when the 9-11 ploy is tried again,and again and if you tell just five people this, eventually the whole dusty dog and pony show will be put out to pasture as we recall the actual legacy of the Bush era- ignominy , incompetence , government loosed on its own people and corporate fealty at the expense of the American worker.

Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.

[sce56]

1. I wish it would be front page news everyday until we hear the truth about

what really happened that day and see the criminals behind it brought to justice

Look closely and you can see the jets of material being shot out of the sides and the puffs of smoke in the head on view! This is just below the collapsing levels as demolition charges blast out of the tower as they cut out the support structures so the building will collapse taking us into a new war brought on by the lies and false flag ops of the war profiteers.



Got Broad Band watch the video Loose Change
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-51375819912882


Also see the call to reopen http://www.reopen911.org / they were sending out free videos watch and see how far down the rabitt hole this story goes! Watch the dramatic video as one of the World Trade Center Towers collapses
Play video (Quick Time, Real or Windows Media) http://reopen911.org/pictures_and_videos.htm#1

[petgoat]

8. The first time I saw pictures like that I thought to myself

"This is somebody's sick idea of a photo-shopped joke!"

It's not. Serious people are on board with this.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth, Dr. Steven Jones (a BYU physics professor), Dr. David Ray Griffin,
and 911research. Check them out.

[sce56]

10. Why did they say stop showing the video? Because it shows the truth!

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/true911.html

http://www.reopen911.org/

[ladjf]

14. If the buildings wee blown up by explosives, the telltale

color frequencies emitted by the explosives should show up in spectroscopic analysis. Has that been
tried as yet?

[rman]

15. Can't analyse spectra from video footage,

because video only captures red green and blue - not the full spectrum.

[DoYouEverWonder]

16. Here's more evidence of that an explosive device

may have been used to take down the WTC.



Notice the plume of think black smoke going UP from the center of the collapse? Normally during a collapse, controlled or otherwise, all the smoke and debris goes out and mostly down. I would think that a very powerful accelerant would be required to push material UP during this type of event. Can someone explain to me what caused the black plume that we see in this picture?

[Trevelyan]

17. Wonder, that photo is unusual and does offer further eyewitness proof to

the theory that a hydrogen bomb was detonated in the basement of WTC advanced somewhere on this site: http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=3713.topic

Long Live The 9/11 Conspiracy!
Anyone still care about the heap of disturbing, unsolved questions surrounding Our Great Tragedy?
- By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist Wednesday, March 29, 2006

="telling people

Somedays, when I have time, I copy a stack of fliers and stand in front of the federal building in my city saying "did you know our government destroyed the WTC" Usually I do not receive a very warm welcome. Some curse me; all are shocked.

Yesterday, the majority of those who passed said "yeah, I know" and looked like they were going to throw up.Most of the others just took a flier and said they'd look into. Only one man stood and argued with me. He finally left, heading for the library to look up the Scholars for Truth website. I don't know whether to laugh or cry...."



Could Reopen 9/11!

[DoYouEverWonder]

24. Here's another good pic of the collapse

Lot's of big plumes going up. In the middle of it all is the black plume. There are not a lot of things in this world that can cause buildings to do this.

[Cassandra]

19. Would the smoke go out and down...

in a narrow space with updrafts? I wish people would take into account that this was two uniquely constructed buildings in a very congested space. It's not that I think an explosion is impossible; I just think that too many people compare this with implosions of buildings of different construction in very different locations.

[DoYouEverWonder]

29. Many controlled demos are done in Downtown areas

Plus it was a relatively calm day. Updrafts would have little effect on the forces that brought the building down.

[depakid]

2. I made the mistake of flipping through the "news" channels

at 11:00 last night, and saw that on every one of them-

The propaganda pipeline was in full swing. After that, Charlie Rose had on 2 more propagandists who droned on at length with the same tired old "Vietnam was winnable" and "we're doing well in Iraq" crap. I guess PBS felt they had to put on some of that to counter NOW, which had a short expose of what's actually happening with the troops on the ground.

I never watch TV news- or most of the "shows." I don't even read most American newspaper "stories" anymore- and this is why.

[EFerrari]

3. Bush's first failure in office was 9/11. How anyone has allowed him

to claim it as a success beats the hell outta me.

[Sparkly]

4. Exactly!!! They played it up at their convention as if it were

their greatest shining moment of achievement. Sickening.

[Rocknrule]

11. According to them

3000 people sacrificed their lives so Bush could be reelected
:mad:

[vssmith]

13. In their minds the end times are at hand--Armageddon nt

[CJCRANE]

5. It's the Rovian tactic

of turning everything upside-down:

Attack your opponent's strength and turn your own weakness into a strength.

[EFerrari]

6. Exactly. And, we let him get away with it. n/t

[mzmolly]

25. Even Randi Rhodes and Ed Schults failed to mention this obvious

point on Larry King the other evening. It's baffling.

[left is right]

30. While I agree that it is inconceivable that he was allowed

to claim 9/11 as a success, it was not his first failure in office. You are forgetting the spy plane in China. And while he may not have been responsible for the submarine/fishing boat fiasco--it did happen on his watch.

[Griffy]

7. real 911 discussion on radio NOW .. stream it! < link incl.>

http://thevoice1300.com/main.html

tune in and hear the authors of "911 on Trial" discuss the facts and expose the holes in the official stories. The freefall of WTC 7 remains in my mind the most obvious hole, it wa not hit by any planes and collapsed neatly in its own footprint later that day, ask around, most people dont know about this building and they have not seen the video. I dont pretent to know what really happened, but I know the excuses made so far are weak and intended for the ignorant masses.

[DemInDistress]

9. the only problem I have with today's 911 redux is the failure

of the press to release both side of those conversations. Not only did the NY Times but other news orgs. wanted the release of those audiotapes. They fought for yrs. and finally won that victory. On one call I heard a man describe an explosion, most likely flight 11 but later as calls continued to come in no doubt there were other explosions phoned in by the eventual victims.
I have never seen a more secret investigation into what should have been transparency. All America and the world should hear those tapes. I feel for the families but if they aren't comfortable listening then they should turn off the radio/tv.
911 was a tragedy for all and not limited to the families of the dead. I don't want to come off as callous but this new look/listen should be shared by all. Its our money too!!
All the chaos in the world today was born out of the Sept.11 2001 attacks. Was it Arabs alone? Or, LIHOP/MIHOP?

Hopefully some of the families will voluntarily release there sad audiotape.

[Capn Sunshine]

12. Its up to us

we have to counter this dreadful spin by reminding folks exactly how it went down; ofr the good of our country, and for the good of our children's children.

[Trevelyan]

18. I don't read a lot about 911. Just a few hours will reading online will

offer enough proof of MIHOP. :cry: I have been wondering for months about :dilemma: Sibyl Edmonds' interview statements before she was gagged that 911 motivation was a lot about gold (worldwide prices?) but never seem to have the time to go back to 911 sites. These links were very welcome and are amazing:

http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition

---Missing Gold Oh how they love dose shiny objects
911research.wtc7.net/wtc/ . . . /gold.html

"Missing Gold -- A King's Ransom in Precious Metals Seems to have Disappeared

This image is found on the PBS.org website companion for the television documentary America Rebuilds under the section Uncovering Property. The page, entitled A Treasure in Silver and Gold, describes the vault as two levels of 3,000 square feet each. See the source for the full-sized image. The page credits images to Leslie E. Robertson and Associates.

There are rumors that :wow:$160 billion:wow: in gold bullion was stored under the World Trade Center. Yet the only published articles about recovered gold mention only around $200 million worth of gold. All of the reports of recovered precious metals appear to refer to a removal operation conducted in late October of 2001. On Nov. 1, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced that "more than $230 million" worth of gold and silver bars that had been stored in a bomb-proof vault had been recovered. A New York Times article contained: 1 Two Brinks trucks were at ground zero on Wednesday to start hauling away the $200 million in gold and silver that the Bank of Nova Scotia had stored in a vault under the trade center ...

A team of 30 firefighters and police officers are helping to move the metals, a task that can be measured practically down to the flake but that has been rounded off at 379,036 ounces of gold and 29,942,619 ounces of silver .. The circumstances surrounding part of the gold that was recovered offer clues to what may have happened to the unrecovered gold. According to reports, two truckloads of gold were found in a delivery tunnel under 5 World Trade Center in a 10-wheel lorry which had been crushed by falling steel. The vault was under 4 World Trade Center, which was closer to the South Tower, and more heavily damaged. There were no bodies discovered with the lorry, suggesting that whoever was removing the gold was warned of the imminent collapse of the South Tower. 3 "

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/gold.html

[enough already]

20. This is 100% Rove

The pig must have a tickler file that says "Release 'new' 9-11 sob story tapes" every 60 days.

[The Magistrate]

21. For The Information Of My Colleagues Moderating Here

This is posted immediately after the thread's transfer to this forum: all comments numbered lower than this were made up topside....

[Generarth]

23. Why has it been transferred?

It's about Bush's conduct at the time.

[dailykoff]

22. It's still big box office in the sticks

where it will always be 9/12/01, I guess. :shrug:

p.s. speaking from recent experience

[savemefromdumbya]

26. The time when we were told it was bad taste to croticize Bush on 9/11

9/11 was a sacred cow and still is to a certain extent. Yuo couldn't question or comment on how inept the Bush admin were over 9/11. The failure to open an completely independent enquiry was the most dumbest thing this Congress has done. I hope that after November when we get a majority that the Democratic neo cons won't try to stifle opening up the old wound again!

[Peter Frank]

27. You said...

"WTF is it with this latest round of 9-11 self flaggelation? Released the operator half of the emergency phone calls? THAT has to be the most insignificant, non informative news left on this subject. Yet, it's working. It always works. That's why they go to this well with such predictable regularity."

Well, this tactic is a double edged sword. With the growing awareness in this country about the falsity of the 911 Report, this sword is increasingly cutting the other way.

[file83]

28. Why was this moved out of GD? This OP has NOTHING to do with

any "conspiracy theories", so why is it placed down here in the dungeon? It's political commentary on how the Bush Administration continually uses 9/11 as a tool to push forward their agenda.