This Will Curl Your Hair (if your hair is curly - this will straighten it)

[Peter Frank]

Moderator,please allow this post to remain in this forum, as these issues transcend topical compartmentalization.

Everyone please listen here first -- http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=110

Here's her background -- http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=157.22.130.4&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20050427-Wed1400.mp3

[greyl]

1. Indira Singh has written some awesome stuff.

Why so shy? edit: don't answer that

…there’s so many levels to my 9/11 experience, just from being there because after 5 or 6 days, since I’m trained for live survivors and it was clear that… there were going to be no more live survivors, I basically returned home to see what was left of my community.

That’s when the reality of how 9/11 was gonna be spun to the rest of the nation… we hit that head on because I don’t know who could possibly expect a contaminated toxic site burning… the fires burned for 3 months. The big fire went out on Dec. 18th, but the fires burned into January. I remember calling it a ‘concentration camp’ fire because they were literally cooking the remains of people, the stench was—unbelievable, and that was my backyard.

And the EPA refused to declare the site unsafe, the air quality unsafe, even though they had spent enormous amounts of money protecting their own building in lower Manhattan.
www.defenders.org/waw/

edit: to ad info for those who normally like more info in a good OP:

I can be very objective about this and say, “Well, the terrorists knew that there were war games scheduled for this day and they took advantage of it and called 9/11 a particular day, however, we do know that 9/11 had been selected prior… ok, so maybe the war games were set many weeks prior for 9/11…” and you can play this game over and over and over.

Yes, it was the perfect day, and yes, you needed inside knowledge, and yes, P-Tech with all its myriad associations would have had the inside knowledge, and yes, P-Tech was a CIA front, and yes, P-Tech was protected.

[Peter Frank]

4. greyl -- Take me off your "buddy" list... n't

[greyl]

6. What?

Firstly, you aren't on my "buddy" list.
Second, what did I say to offend you?

[aquart]

2. I don't click thru on unexplained links.

Just ain't that trusting.

[Peter Frank]

3. "I don't click thru on unexplained links"...

How do you like your links explained? Don't you have a firewall & anti-virus software?

[greyl]

5. aquart has a valid pov.

Point blank, cryptic OPs suck.

[Peter Frank]

7. So the content gets lost in the hyped controversey...

Any comments on the content of the OP?

C'mon guys -- you're smart enough to debate substance...

[greyl]

8. Hyped controversy?

If it weren't for the two people you've reprimanded in this thread, what would your no-content hype amount to?

edit: Did you learn about that from your "friend at MSNBC" who you won't name?

[Peter Frank]

10. OK greyl...

I haven't contacted my friend at MSNBC because he has a family, and I didn't want to put him in harm's way.

You don't get to know who he is; and he doesn't get to know what you know.

[theHandpuppet]

20. Make that two of us

A little explanation goes a long way.

[sweetheart]

9. snicker snack

We've discussed the P-tech thing,
and Indira Singh in past discussion,
conspiriacy has such a typical ring;
can we move on to winning an election?

Those Criminals of past will be caught,
and no remaining social passion,
can restore loves lungs distraught,
rehashing history out of fashion.

Unitary leader above the law,
the gilded hoolum disposition,
Ahh, perfectly set for a fall,
to lord satan's eternal prison.

Killing their own by toxic gassy cloud,
What poxy offender would say at last aloud.

[Peter Frank]

11. Applause...

...did you listen to the links???

[sweetheart]

13. I can't on this PC

An unfortunate feature of putting the oldest box
on the internet gateway is the lack of anything
to plug in to the sound card.

That said, i know Indira Singh, a very impeccable
and brilliant woman, and i trust, knowing her,
that if she takes a concern to heart, then she
is not making a trivial claim.

That said, its old and mihop won't win 2006...
and we're years moved on now, propagandaframewise.
And until Schumer (indira's senator), becomes concerned
about the P-Tech issue, its gonna stay very fringe...

And the dilemma of what sort of democrats are running
come this 2006 poll, and how they view schumer and
the wll-street arm of the democratic imperialists.

Maybe we're needing
a history revisionism forum so we can re-edit this
event, and all its ancillary actors, and hidden
agencies, in to one voluminous pile that
nobody but the dedicated will ever read.

[mirandapriestly]

27. well that attitude is probably why

we don't win elections...although we actually did win the last two.

[Peter Frank]

12. Can we start now...

... http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=110

[patdem]

14. This is the MOST horrid link I have ever clicked

I never click a link unless there is 'some' explination..and I have never heard anyone complain when it was asked for..till now!

[greyl]

15. For me, it's only "one of the most horrid" :) nt

[Wonk]

16. Here's a direct link to the mp3 that page redirects you to

http://157.22.130.4:80//data/20051228-Wed1300.mp3

Interesting listening, regarding PTech and 9/11.

[Dogmudgeon]

17. What is P-Tech?

My hearing is crap, and I can't be cranking the volume up at five in the morning. Plus, the file is nearly an hour long. Is there some similar article I can read to get a grounding in the issue?

--p!

[sweetheart]

18. heres a little

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012705_ptech_pt2.shtml
http://www.madcowprod.com/mc4512004.html

I found a lotta links on a google of P-tech and indira singh:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=P-Tech+indira+singh&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

[Peter Frank]

19. There's a start... n/t

[pberq]

23. Here's some background from the link posted above.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012705_ptech_pt2.shtml

<snip>
January 27, 2005, PST 0900 (FTW) - Ptech - the software company whose major investors and directors are strongly linked to the Muslim Brotherhood - produced software that derived from PROMIS, had an artificial intelligence core, and was installed on virtually every computer system of the U.S. government and its military agencies on September 11, 2001.

This included the White House, Treasury Department (Secret Service), Air Force, FAA, CIA, FBI, both houses of Congress, Navy, Department of Energy, IRS, Booz Allen Hamilton, IBM, Enron and more.

Whoever plotted 9/11 definitely viewed the FAA as an enemy that morning. Overriding FAA systems would be the most effective way to ensure the attacks were successful. To do this, the FAA needed an evolution of PROMIS software installed on their systems and Ptech was just that; the White House & Secret Service had the same software on their systems - likely a superior modified version capable of "surveillance and intervention" functions.

Ptech is enterprise architecture software, which Indira planned on customizing to use as "risk architecture" software.

[petgoat]

22. get headphones nt

[Henny Penny]

21. Ignore all the distractions posted above!

Indira Singh is a very bright and articulate lady.

This appears to be part two of an interview given to Bonnie Faulkner on her radio show Guns and Butter.

Indira Singh was employed by JP Morgan in the twin towers on sept 11th. She was due in a meeting at JP Morgans on the fateful day but slept in and arrived late just after the attacks occurred. She was a volunteer medical helper and the interview gives her story.

It is well worth listening to and is available in the archives of guns and butter.

Ignore all those posts above such as "This is the MOST horrid link I have ever clicked".... :rofl:


http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=78


http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?page=5

[Peter Frank]

24. Thanks...

...and you are correct -- this is her interview on Guns and Butter. I posted the second part first, and the first part as background:

http://www.gunsandbutter.net/archives.php?si=110

http://www.kpfa.org/cgi-bin/gen-mpegurl.m3u?server=157.22.130.4&port=80&file=dummy.m3u&mount=/data/20050427-Wed1400.mp3


I am in awe of this woman's courage and intellect.

[rman]

25. Indira at McKinney's 9-11 Citizens' Commission

Testimony before the 9-11 Citizens Commission headed by Cynthia McKinney
http://911busters.com/911-Commission.html (audio and video)
- Indira Singh Sibel's Letter (testimony starts at about 10min.)
- Indira Singh and Ruppert Questions and Answers
http://www.justicefor911.org/September-Hearings.doc (transcript)

"Who is really behind PTECH is the questions. I asked that of many intelligence people who came to my aid as I was being blacklisted, and I was told, "Indira, it is a CIA clandestine op on the level of Iran-Contra."
And I have reason to believe this because Care International that was mentioned in one of the slides is a renamed version of Alkhifah which was the funding arm for WTC '93. Prior to Alkhifah it was called Maktab Al-Khidamat, which is the funding arm for the Afghani Mujahideen. It was how the monies got to Osama bin Laden through the Pakistani ISI (secret service)."

...

When i went to Senator Grassley's office, i said to them, "Am i a citizen of the United States or the United Saudi States of America?"
And i said, "I am from ground zero, and if you don't like the way i'm going to be speaking, you can leave."
And two people got up and left.
I said that my trip, my Ptech journey, was a journey from the Whitey Bulger tent in Colorado (www.boston.com/news/packages/whitey) to the White Tent in DC.
Somebody else left.
"Unless you throw this right in their face, and speak very honestly... they will not get it that you know what is going on."

...

[mirandapriestly]

26. Notes- Sorry about Grammar Former Ptech Employees had seen the hijackers

and other people on terror lists pass through the ptech halls. Direct connection to 9-11. People within the FBI have said "we will make the third reich look like a tea party" 2002 token raid; so they were no help. She has contacted people on the right and the left who are willing to come out. whistle blowers have said 73 was scrambled in time, passengers did not bring it down, it was shot down. ptech surveillance and intervention she was using it for that but could it have been using it for on 911? could have been. FAA and Ptech looking for holes in communication software to take advantage of those holes? ptech had operated out of basement of FAA. the had log in access to flight control password to high clearance computer info. Ptech also had access at NORAD, FBI, Air Force (you get the picture- (my words)) keane from commission had done business with ptech and so had other commission people conflict of interests. commission totally flawed.
you needed inside knowledge to do this ptech had that knowledge.
Ptech was a CIA front this was validated to her. All over US infrastructure, you don't get this without higher level help. American software companies unhappy that ptech they got all the good jobs because Saudi owned.(!) Ptech started in 1993. "shut up and go away or you will be killed" Jp Morgan, FBI, Ptech told her that. CBS found it was not only as bad as what she said but much worse. they were going to run story on anniversary on 911 - it got shut down.
renamed Go Agile still going
She was fired for her trouble.
The systems response indicts them (The US). If this was a real terror attack we would be seeing pictures of New Yorkers lungs over tv for the next 10 years. We were never shown what it was really like.
Fed government is being looted for the game at play. Global not just America

Add- Ptech was financed by Saudis one of whom was on US terror list while having carte blanche to major US corporations and US gov't agencies (particuliarly those involved in 911)