Autopsy: No Arabs on Flight 77

[AGENDA21]

I am an ex Naval line officer and a psychiatrist in private practice in New Orleans, a Christian and homeschool dad. It troubled me a great deal that we rushed off to war on the flimsiest of evidence. I considered various ways to provide a smoking gun of who and why Sept 11th happened. Astute observers noticed right away that there were no Arabic sounding names on any of the flight manifests of the planes that “crashed” on that day.

A list of names on a piece of paper is not evidence, but an autopsy by a pathologist, is. I undertook by FOIA request, to obtain that autopsy list and you are invited to view it below. Guess what? Still no Arabs on the list. It is my opinion that the monsters who planned this crime made a mistake by not including Arabic names on the original list to make the ruse seem more believable.

When airline disasters occur, airlines will routinely provide a manifest list for anxious families. You may have noticed that even before Sep 11th, that airlines are pretty meticulous about getting an accurate headcount before takeoff. It seems very unlikely to me that five Arabs sneaked onto a flight with weapons.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology (AFIP), does a miraculous job and identified nearly all the bodies on November 16th 2001.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=OLM20060430&articleId=2350

[wildbilln864]

1. Excellent post!

But let me be clear. You're saying there were no Arabs either on flight 77 nor killed in flight 77?

What of the other flights?

[tatertop]

2. The US perpetrated 911

[politrix]

3. I posted this very link yesterday

And, somebody caled me a racist and demanded to know what Arab DNA was and told me to go back to the KKK site I came from.

It was deleted shortly afterward.


Glad to see it get it's own thread.

[mirandapriestly]

7. That's scary

and revealing...

[Jazz2006]

4. On another thread, someone has posted manifests and partial manifests...

that include the names of the alleged hijackers.

Also, the bit about "no Arab names" on the autopsy list is misleading. The list is a list of names of people on flight 77 who were identified via DNA, not a complete list of the passengers on flight 77.

http://www.911myths.com/html/hijackers.html

[Bushknew]

5. This just doesn’t sound or feel right.

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So, I sent a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to the AFIP and asked for an expedited response, because we were getting ready to send our boys to war on the pretext that Osama/Sadaam had done the deed. Fourteen months later, a few US soldiers dead, many Iraqi civilians pushing up daisies, and I finally get the list. Believe me that they weren’t a bit happy to give it up, and I really have no idea why they choose now to release it.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=OLM20060430&articleId=2350

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People have been asking for the release of the confiscated Pentagon tapes
for years now and they haven't, why release this?

Just feels like I’m getting played.

[JackRiddler]

6. Sigh... misinterpreting his own FOIA

This article was first published in 2003, here:
http://www.sierratimes.com/03/07/02/article_tro.htm

A charming right-wing site.

Now Olmstead's FOIA looks genuine. It also in no way reveals what he claims it does.

First, it's no big surprise that although we are dealing with the same Pentagon unwilling to comply with other, genuinely controversial requests, one of its pathologists was willing to present a list, as he says in the cover letter, of dead persons IDENTIFIED at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington. Why not? It in no way conflicts with the 9/11 cover-up to do so. And perhaps they took pleasure in toying with the request.

For there is the key: IDENTIFIED.

Olmstead didn't ask whether there were any unidentified remains, and the AFIP obliged him by not mentioning them. However, the same institute, if one would bother to do the research, is also keeping the remains of five John Does presumed to be the Flight 77 hijackers, and of four other John Does presumed to be the Flight 93 hijackers.

Link:
http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/faksimiles.html

Whatever happened to these remains, the AFIP should have kept ample DNA samples. But no one as of Sept. 2002 had stepped forward to claim the remains.

[Jazz2006]

8. "For there is the key: IDENTIFIED"

Exactly.

That's what I was saying in post #4.

But I don't think he was merely "misinterpreting". I think he was deliberately misrepresenting.

[JackRiddler]

9. Oh sure...

Olmstead appears to be one of many who desire a cheap shortcut to winning their side of the argument, and who are willing (and stupid enough) to use baldly manipulative means to get their way, even when this ultimately damages their credibility and tarnishes their ostensible cause. They are simply blind to it.

This is not unlike the behavior of a great many who advocate the Official Conspiracy Theory, out of whatever belief, interest, or perhaps sad mental need for a simple and reassuring explanation (for example, that foreign enemies were solely responsible for the horror).

When they are not on the firm ground of attacking the strawmen conveniently provided by the likes of Olmstead, you can similarly see the OCT pathology reaching for any excuse, no matter how outlandish, to exculpate the Bush administration and the US military-intelligence complex of their obviously incriminating behavior in the matter of orchestrating the September 11th attacks.

[mirandapriestly]

11. And why might they not be "identified"?

Well one good reason from your link:

"A man named by the US Department of Justice as a suicide hijacker of American Airlines flight 11 ­ the first airliner to smash into the World Trade Centre ­ is very much alive and living in Jeddah.
Abdulrahman al-Omari, a pilot with Saudi Airlines, was astonished to find himself accused of hijacking ­ as well as being dead ­ and has visited the US consulate in Jeddah to demand an explanation.

None has so far been forthcoming. It is possible that the hijacker adopted Mr al-Omari's identity but, if he had been using the same false name while training as a pilot in the US, he would presumably have been uncovered.

That is not the only error on the list of hijackers"

[JackRiddler]

12. Bullshit in the service of truth?

It is true that the hijacker identities are unresolved, their actions suspiciously unlike the suicide bombers they were supposed to be, the likelihood of doubles overwhelming in the cases of Atta, Jarrah and others. It is also true that the named allegeds or perps using the same names were all under constant surveillance by CIA, military, German intel, Mossad and others as suspected terrorists planning a US strike, and that two of those named as ringleaders both by Mossad and Able Danger "coincidentally" lived as the tenants of the FBI's main informant in the San Diego Muslim community.

It is true that this is all best explained by an inside job set-up.

Nevertheless, it is also true that this isolated story you cite from Sept. 2001 has had no follow-up. It means nothing, other than a shared name, unless you can show a picture of the living Abdulrahman al-Omari (common first name, big tribe) that corresponds in some way to the picture published by the FBI of the alleged hijacker of the same name.

Please, have you done your homework?

Where's the living A.al-O. today?

What happened with his demand to the embassy for an explanation?

Have you researched this? Have you called the Embassy? Have you called him?

You have the power to pursue all such claims yourself, as I have also done in many cases, instead of having to hear these questions from me.

Prove me wrong. Do me proud.

[mirandapriestly]

13. A lot of these stories have no follow up

That doesn't mean his claims are not true. If it has no follow up, it is likely that he has disappeared or been "persuaded" to stopped talking about it, you'll notice the article says he won't talk to reporters, he sure isn't going to talk to me. I'm sure he had good reason to believe that it was his identity that was being used in order for him to make the claim, Robert Fisk is a reliable reporter.

[KJF]

14. I've been into the "hijackers still alive" story in some detail...

... and it looks to be mostly a dead end. For example, the FBI wasn't initially sure which Abdul Al Omari was supposed to be on the plane and looked into a whole bunch of them, including the Saudi pilot who knew Adnan Bukhari and the guy who had his passport stolen in Denver (whose birthdate the FBI wrongly claimed the hijacker used). At one point in the investigation they figured that all but one of these guys had protested their innocence and so it had to be the one who hadn't and was dead.

I don't have a photo of Abdul Aziz Al Omari as a kid (or with his family), but the story of his radicalisation (at university) and career as a terrorist seems pretty beleiveable. There's photos and videos of him in Afghanistan and photos and videos of him in the US and it appears to be the same guy. The other "hijackers still alive" stories are similar.

[mirandapriestly]

15. Of COURSE it's a dead end...

although I think Abdul al Omari is more likely to be a real terrorist than a few of them. The ones who just don't seem real are Ziad Jarreh, he just did not at all look or act the part, nothing about his life fit the "profile", if there is such a thing. And the Egyptian Atta, I think he was working for the US intelligence or military and then got "fingered" as a "real" terrorist/hijacker.

Why do you think they wouldn't release the "hijackers" DNA? Is it normal procedure to not release DNA if it was not identified? I was just trying to find a reason why they might do that, but maybe it is protocol.

[KJF]

20. Jarrah, DNA

I dunno about the DNA, but there wasn't a concerted effort by the hijackers' families to have it identified or to get the remains back. I'm not quite sure what you mean by "release the DNA".

AFAIK they only have 12 sets of alleged hijackers' DNA (5 from the Pentagon, 4 from Shanksville and 3 from the WTC). Does anybody know any different?

It depends what you mean by "profile". Most of them were young Muslim university dropouts who'd been to Afghanistan, so Jarrah fitted that pretty well. If you mean he wasn't super religious or knowledgeable of Islam, then that's true (and probably applies to most of the hijackers), but so what? I see Al Qaeda (or whatever it's really called) as a political organisation that uses religious rhetoric, rather than a mainly religious organisation, so I don't find it surprising that it's operatives don't know that much about Islam.

[seatnineb]

18. So have I.........

In the words of Kevin Fenton:

I don't have a photo of Abdul Aziz Al Omari as a kid (or with his family), but the story of his radicalisation (at university) and career as a terrorist seems pretty beleiveable

If the story of Alomari's radicalization has come courtesy of the Saudi Mahabeth(secret police)....then I would take that story with a pinch of salt.

[KJF]

19. Just to clarify...

... I find it beleiveable, but I'm not 100% sure he's real. Hijackers still alive is not a point I'd feature prominently in a critique of the official account - we have much better things.

It's not just from the Saudi authorities, for example, I found this at the Saudi institute:
AbdulAziz AbdulRahman AlOmari (AlZahrani) 23, married with one daughter 28 months. He was born in Hawran village at AlMakhawa County in AlBaha region (south west) one of the poorest regions in the country.

He is s a graduate of Imam Mohamed Bin Saud University, Qaseem branch, where he met and befriended several clerics such as Suliman AlAlwan who was mentioned in Osama Ben Laden’s tape. He also studied at the hand of senior official cleric Shaikh Saleh Al-Fawzan.

He left to Afghanistan in December 2000. He was trained in AlFarooq camp in Qandahar and was appointed its religious leader due to his education. During his stay in Afghanistan he joined Taliban forces in their attacks on Afghani towns, according to several of his friends.

Later he was appointed a military trainer at the same camp. He along with several hijackers left to US from Dubai. His nickname in Afghanistan was Abu AlAbbas Al-Janoubi. He was on American Airlines #11 that crashed into North Tower of World Trade Center.
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:BJ1oeXafW40J:www.arabianews.org/english/article.cfm%3Fqid%3D12%26sid%3D6+Alomari+Alzahrani&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a

It seems to be based on reporting by the Saudi press. There are similar snippets here and there. There's probably an absolute mountain of detail for anyone who can speak Arabic and has the relevant press clippings, but I can't speak Arabic and I don't have the clippings (the stuff doesn't seem to be available online any more).

[seatnineb]

17. What are you talking about?

The core question is how the Bukhari's were suspected in the first place........

And how the story changed from this:


“Police and law enforcement sources said the two brothers suspected in the Boston hijackings were Adnan Bukhari and Ameer Abbas Bukhari, who up until recent days had lived in Vero Beach, Florida. Both of their homes have been searched, the sources said.
The two rented a car, a silver-blue Nissan Altima, from an Alamo car rental at Boston's Logan Airport and drove to an airport in Portland, Maine, where they got on US Airways Flight 5930 at 6 a.m. Tuesday headed back to Boston, the sources said."
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200109/13/eng20010913...


............to this:

From there, the two men(Mohhammed Atta and Abdul Aziz Alomari) made their way to Portland, Maine. Police there confirmed yesterday that they had impounded a rental car used by two men suspected of flying from Portland to Boston and hijacking one of the planes used to crash into the World Trade Center.

Portland Police Chief Michael Chitwood said in a telephone interview that a silver-blue Nissan Altima was seized by his officers about 11:30 p.m. Tuesday at Portland International Airport at the request of the FBI.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/custom/attack/bal-te.terror13sep13,0,403874.story?coll=bal-attack-storyutil

[Sinti]

10. If there were an investigation the DNA of these unidentified persons

would be vital to the case. First and foremost, you would want to ascertain whether or not the DNA was a relative match to that of other Middle Eastern men. This can be done.

If you can tell that Roma persons (very mixed with the European populations where they live) originated and migrated from somewhere in South Central Asia, I'm pretty sure you could do a study for Middle Eastern subtypes.

Link if you are interested, scroll down to "Genetics".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roma_people

This type of study/investigation would be a start at answering the question posed by your statements, i.e., clarifying whether the unidentified persons were, in fact, of Arab descent.

Lacking a real criminal investigation of what took place that day, the questions will continue to fester and the sore of disbelief is growing.

[mirandapriestly]

16. exactly and I wish that that was the theme of 911 skeptics

that we need a new, unbiased, independent investigation instead of all the different factions which have become (as predicted) divisive.

[Grateful for Hope]

21. I definitely agree

The investigation would need to be truly independent. This is, IMHO, the ONlY way we have any hope of getting at at least some of the truth.

[MervinFerd]

22. Doubtful it would tell you anything....

The Roma are a small and inbred population. There are probably distinctive markers.

"Middle Eastern" covers a very large population. You could maybe make a statistical probability statement but that is all.

You can't identify the race of a perpetrator from DNA left at a crime scene, for example.

And what would be the point? The people who think the passports and other ids were faked would just think the DNA was faked.