Did the "only eyewitness" really see the crash of "UA 93"?

[Andre II]

Let's leave aside that Lee Purbaugh was only on his second day of work.
Let's leave aside that he had worked for the army for three years.
Let's leave aside that in 2002 German journalists weren't able to find him anymore.
Let's leave aside that he is the one and only witness who saw actually the plane crashing.

Let's simply have a look at his own accounts:
(from John Doe II)
http://www.team8plus.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?2857

[spooked911]

1. I would say...

no

[spooked911]

2. How could he see a plane that didn't exist?

Can anyone find the Boeing?
http://killtown.911review.org/htb2.html

[Sinti]

4. A plane that didn't exist - why would they take that chance?

I'm not trying to debunk your theory, I just don't understand why they would add that much risk into the op. I've seen the pictures, and the crash site does look strange, i.e., lacking evidence of a large plane, but it doesn't make sense to me. Do you believe that the plane was landed, and de-boarded? What benefit would they gain? Again, not debunking here, but looking for a logical explanation. It just seems to me that the plane actually crashing there would have been better cover.

[spooked911]

5. the idea is: faking a crash and saying the plane completely disintegrated

along with the passengers is an easier cover than having a real plane crash with the wrong people on board or no one on board (if there was a drone). Also, this way was less hardware for the planners to worry about. As far as what really happened to the plane and passengers, I don't know, but I tend to think it was a Operation Northwoods-type hoax.

If we assume there WAS a flight 93 according to the official story, one could certainly ask why didn't they just crash that plane (or shoot it down).

But there are too many oddities overall, from the cell phone calls, to the unlikely hijacking, to the conflicts in what the passengers said, to the lack of air force interception, to the crash site, that make me wonder if the flight really existed at all.

[Sinti]

8. I agree the oddities do create the impression that whatever happened

was *very* different from what we're told.

If I was to pull off this stunt, though, I would have used real hijackers, on real planes. Therefore, if something happened to disrupt my cataclysmic "New Pearl Harbor" event, I'd have full cover. If all went as planned, the knee-jerk reaction of everyone, including the international community, would be that it was Arab terrorists, no investigation needed, precisely because it follows their M.O.

I would have used my deep cover op working in the trenches with the jihadists in the Middle East. We have them, we need that oil to flow to run our war machine and can't risk it being disrupted by a bunch of religious zealots wanting Sharia.

I could start the "noise" coming out of the ME into intel agencies worldwide well before the actual strike via this same operation, so everybody is kind of expecting it. Get him to assemble the team, train them properly, and so on. Then, once the planes had reached their targets, blow the WTC to improve the emotional/vengeance reaction, i.e. killing thousands, and off to war we go.

Perhaps they didn't trust the human factor here. It is a pretty big risk, but I don't think it's quite as risky as using drones. I think you would have to test their willingness to die for you beforehand. A couple of other, smaller suicide attacks would do to ensure that the "brainwashing" was solid.

Then again, I didn't plan it. There may be a lot of factors I haven't considered. I just don't like to chase down ghosts. There is a lot of poison in the well, that (if MIHOP is true) would have been deliberately placed to keep people's eyes diverted while they commence with their sleight of hand, you know. :)

[mirandapriestly]

3. There's a Lee Purbaugh listen in Somerset, PA

anyone want to give him a ringy dingy? probably get forwarded to CIA headquarters.
http://phone.people.yahoo.com/py/psPhoneSearch.py?srch=bas&D=1&FirstName=lee&LastName=purbaugh&City=&State=&Phone=&Search=Phone+and+Address+Search

[spooked911]

6. good find, but you're right--

gotta wonder where that number goes. :)

And assuming it is him, I have to think he would simply support his earlier story...

[spooked911]

7. Didn't other accounts say the plane was flying upside down?

But Purbaugh didn't seem to say this...

[quickesst]

9. After reading these..

eyewitness accounts, I believe you would have to be absolutely delusional, or absolutely loyal to believe this plane crashed straight down at 500+ mph, and but for a few pieces "no more than two feet long", was completely swallowed up by the earth. Or did it disentegrate into small pieces, spreading over the length of two football fields? The official story keeps changing it seems, kind of like how those 757s happen to be "very strong" in certain circumstances, then no harder than an eggshell in others. Four Boeing 757s, crashing on the same day, not leaving any wreckage among the four that can definitively be described as a particular part of a particular plane, and except for some dna tests, not one piece of human flesh that can be identified as such by sight. Not one arm, not one leg, not one finger. It's all bullshit, everyone with a decent knowledge of what went on can see it, and the revenuers definately see it. If one truly does not see, one needs help.:grouphug: or perhaps, a shrink.:crazy:
Here's the witnesses that saw a plane make some pretty miraculous pre-crash moves before slamming straight into the earth and disappearing.:sarcasm:

"Then it just rolled over and was flying upside down for a few seconds ... and then it kind of stalled and did a nose dive over the trees. It was just unreal to see something like that."
http://www.pittsburgh.com/partners/wpxi/news/flightheroes.html

Eric Peterson, 28, was working in his shop in the Somerset County village of Lambertsville yesterday morning when he heard a plane, looked up and saw one fly over unusually low.

The plane continued on beyond a nearby hill, then dropped out of sight behind a tree line. As it did so, Peterson said it seemed to be turning end-over-end.

Then Peterson said he saw a fireball, heard an explosion and saw a mushroom cloud of smoke rise into the sky.
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2p2.asp

“I saw the plane flying upside down overhead and crash into the nearby trees. My buddy, Doug, and I grabbed our fire extinguishers and ran to the scene,” said Blair.
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3

Eric Peterson of Lambertsville looked up when he heard the plane. "It was low enough, I thought you could probably count the rivets," Peterson said. "You could see more of the roof of the plane than you could the belly. It was on its side."

"There was a great explosion and you could see the flames. It was a massive, massive explosion. Flames and then smoke and then a massive, massive mushroom cloud."
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/100028703529429109.xml

“Normally I wouldn’t look up, but I just heard on the news that all the planes were grounded and thought this was probably the last one I would see for a while, so I looked up,” she said. “I didn’t see the plane but I heard the plane’s engine. Then I heard a loud thump that echoed off the hills and then I heard the plane’s engine. I heard two more loud thumps and didn’t hear the plane’s engine anymore after that.”
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3

"We didn't hear that plane coming until it was right on top of us," she said. "Then there was a roar." She said the plane appeared to be gliding into the ground. "All at once it just stopped. There was no engine noise, nothing. Someone hollered, Oh my God!' and then there was a real loud thud."
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/news/100028703529429109.xml

Shortly after 10 a.m., workers on farms and scrap yards in Somerset County looked up to see an airliner flying low and erratic at an estimated 450 mph.
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3

Bob Blair of Stoystown was driving a coal truck on state Route 30 when he saw the jet plummet "straight down." Barn windowpanes for half a mile around shattered as the jet dived into a reclaimed strip mine and exploded at 10:10 a. m.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/09/17/MN40630.DTL

A witness told WTAE-TV's Paul Van Osdol that she saw the plane overhead. It made a high-pitched, screeching sound. The plane then made a sharp, 90-degree downward turn and crashed.
http://newsandviews.tripod.com/news/091101tv2.html

Bob Blair was completing a routine drive to Shade Creek just after 10 a.m. Tuesday, when he saw a huge silver plane fly past him just above the treetops and crash into the woods along Lambertsville Road.
Blair, of Stoystown, a driver with Jim Barron Trucking of Somerset, was traveling in a coal truck along with Doug Miller of Somerset, when they saw the plane spiraling to the ground and then explode on the outskirts of Lambertsville.
“I saw the plane flying upside down overhead and crash into the nearby trees. My buddy, Doug, and I grabbed our fire extinguishers and ran to the scene,” said Blair.
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html


Another witness, Michael Merringer, said he was out on a mountain bike ride with his wife, Amy, about two miles from the crash site.

"(I) heard the engine gun two different times," he said. "(I) heard a loud bang and the windows of the houses all around rattled."
http://www.pjstar.com/news/worldtrade/g34835a.html

Larry Williams, a former state police trooper who is now a private investigator, was golfing on the 17th green at Oakbrook Golf Course about eight miles away when he heard the engines “roar real loud and shut off.”
http://www.dailyamerican.com/disaster.html#3

"We got the call about 9:58 this morning from a male passenger stating that he was locked in the bathroom of United Flight 93 traveling from Newark to San Francisco, and they were being hijacked," said Glenn Cramer, a 911 supervisor.

"We confirmed that with him several times and we asked him to repeat what he said. He was very distraught. He said he believed the plane was going down. He did hear some sort of an explosion and saw white smoke coming from the plane, but he didn't know where.

"And then we lost contact with him."
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2p2.asp

Meanwhile, investigators also are combing a second crime scene in nearby Indian Lake (2.5 miles from main crash site), where residents reported hearing the doomed jetliner flying over at a low altitude before "falling apart on their homes."

"People were calling in and reporting pieces of plane falling," a state trooper said. Jim Stop reported he had seen the hijacked Boeing 757 fly over him as he was fishing. He said he could see parts falling from the plane.
I lost this link.. but since the witness name is there I've left it up.

Some witnesses reported that the plane was flying upside down for a time before the crash; others said they heard up to three loud booms before the jetliner went down.
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20010912crashnat2p2.asp

"There was no way anything was left," Pluta added. "There was just charred pieces of metal and a big hole. The plane didn't slide into the crash. It went straight into the ground. Wings out. Nose down."

Bits of metal were thrown against a tree line like shrapnel, said state police spokesman Trooper Thomas Spallone of Troop A in Greensburg.

"Once it hit, everything just disintegrated," he said. "There are just shreds of metal. The longest piece I saw was 2 feet long."

[Sinti]

10. "grabbed our fire extinguishers" - god, that's terrible. They thought they

could help.

Some of the accounts sound like the plane was shot down, but no mention of a second plane. Others sound like the plane broke up into fragments right there in the air.

[Andre II]

11. Anybody

around here who believes that Purbaugh saw the crash?