if flights 77 & 93 "liquified" upon impact, how was all that DNA present?

[boastOne43]

so we have the flight 77 and 93 crash sites with no signs of wings, tail sections, etc. flight 77 was to have "liquified" upon impacting the Pentagon and I guess the same can be said of flight 93. if this is true and these aluminum plane parts just vaporized, how were they able to identify all the victims DNA? the human body is made up of 70-80% water. these crashes were powerful enough to vaporize metal but not the DNA!?!?! someone please explain this.

[Ezlivin]

1. Flight 93 didn't liquify/vaporize on impact - it is impossible

See: http://www.physics911.net/rajter_vaporized.htm - The author is an graduate student at MIT in the Department of Materials Science and Engineering.

Although the KE of a plane can certainly inflict damage upon a target (whether planned or accidental), it is safe to conclude that there is not nearly enough energy to cause any substantial rise in temperature for the plane under the assumption of uniform heat distribution. The maximum theoretical quantity of "vaporized" aluminum, under the extreme assumption of all the kinetic energy being concentrated into a small sections of the aluminum exterior, is an almost unnoticeable 0.2% at 500mph. Therefore, it is scientifically infeasible that any liquefaction or atomization occurred and all or most of the material should have been recoverable.

And...

• This analysis only proves that plane parts could not have disappeared due to vaporization caused via the kinetic energy of the planes. It does not specifically accept or deny that planes or flights existed. It merely adds to an ever-expanding collection of analyses that show the official story of 9/11 is filled with many fabrications.


• I have done some basic calculations using the kinetic energy of a moving plane to determine maximum theoretical temperatures induced via a plane crash.


• I have concluded, based on explicit assumptions and parameters, that the maximum average temperature could not have increased by more than 28 degrees Celsius.


• To achieve 100% liquefaction, speeds larger than Mach 4.1 are required under the under the standard assumptions specified in section 3.


• To achieve 100% vaporization or "atomization," speeds larger than Mach 15.5 are required under the assumptions of section 3.


• At 500 MPH, there is only enough available kinetic energy to "vaporize" 0.2% of the aluminum under some generous, a fortiori assumptions.


• Other sources of energy are available, but are either trivial or have no realistic means of heating the aluminum upon crashing.

[boastOne43]

2. so that brings up the question...

WTF happened to the tail section, wings, etc. of these planes?

[Ezlivin]

5. That's the million dollar question

Of course the Republicans spent nearly $80 million investigating Clinton. Compare and contrast that with the $3 million spent on investigating 9/11.

Here is a nice comparison of the costs of various investigations (reference http://www.pla.blogspot.com/2003_02_02_pla_archive.html#88613977)

It cost the government $1.5 million to investigate whether or not Michael Deaver had engaged in improper lobbying.

The investigation into HUD scandals under Samuel Pierce cost $28 million.

The investigation into whether or not Bush I officials improperly looked at Bill Clinton’s passport records cost $2.8 million.

The failed investigation into whether Mike Espy took illegal gifts cost $17 million.

The investigation into whether or not Henry Cisneros’s statement to the FBI in which he acknowledged paying money to a former mistress misstated the amount of money he paid cost $7.3 million.

We also looked into the investigation of other terrorist acts. With regard to the Oklahoma City bombing, the FBI spent in excess of $60 million in its investigation. The defense spent $2 million on investigators. The government funded the total defense in an amount in excess of $13 million up through sentencing.

The investigation of Eric Rudolph, the alleged Olympic and abortion clinic bomber has cost over $20 million.

Other investigative costs:

One source suggests that the cost of the investigation into the crash of TWA flight 800 was about $35 million.

The cost of recovery and investigation into the Challenger disaster was at least $43 million.

The budget for John Danforth’s investigation into the Waco matter was $11 million.

[JackRiddler]

6. strawman

Where has it ever been said, literally and officially, that these two planes liquefied or vaporized on crashing? At most, these words might have been used as a metaphor for "cracked up into so many millions of pieces that it no longer looks like a plane." So you're disproving a claim that has never been made.

Also, where has it ever been said that you've seen every existing photo of the Shanksville or Pentagon sites, and can therefore make definitive statements about what volume of parts was or was not present afterward?

Such a wild goose chase...

[KJF]

3. I don't recall...

... anyone ever claiming United 93 "liquified" on impact - it's just supposed to have smashed into mostly small pieces.

I vaguely remember a French newspaper (maybe Le Monde) claiming that American 77 vaporised in the ensuing fire, but I don't think anybody really ever took that seriously.

[truebrit71]

8. "smashed into mostly small pieces"..yup, over a six-mile area...

...how would that be possible unless.......????

[jschurchin]

4. Come on now..............

Everyone knows they were wearing Kevlar suits. :sarcasm:

[MervinFerd]

7. Spontaneous Airframe Combustion (tm) !!!!!!!

"It's like Spontaneous Human Cumbustion, only with aluminum." (tm)

The plane burst into flame well before it hit the Pentagon and just vaporized. That's what happens with "SAC".

The Pentagon has been working on weaponizing this phenomenon for years. Looks like they finally have a working weapon.

Obviously, the bodies had to be planted.


Or maybe the jetliner just crashed into the building and got smashed to a million pieces.
I get so confused.