Isn't there usually a lot of activity at the scene of an emergency?

[DoYouEverWonder]

One more oddity about the Pentagon attack is the lack of emergency equipment and activity at the scene of the fire.

In almost every picture I've ever seen there are never more then two fire engines, at any one time, actively trying to put out the blaze. TWO? This was an enormous fire with possibly 100's of victims and they could only spare TWO lines to fight the fire?

?sadfag


Here's the building pre-collapse. Only two lines are apparent in this image




Here's more equipment but it's all parked over on the side in a staging area. Yet there are obviously active fires that are just being allowed to burn.




Here's another one with 3 Engines on the scene, an active fire raging and no lines trying to douse the flames?




Hundreds of victims but no one seems to be concerned enough to put out the fires quickly and to try to get rescuers in to try to save anyone? You would think that with a blaze like this the place would have been a madhouse. People and equipment going every which way. Rescuers rushing out carrying victims? Yet people are standing around and fires are raging? I don't get it.

[Hoping4Change]

1. What an interesting question.

It is odd that there isn't a larger contingent of fire trucks.

[mirandapriestly]

2. You're right, I never really noticed that

The fire is just blazing away and they're just standing there. When you consider that there were people in those buidings, it is just outrageous.

[petgoat]

3. Notice the fire in picture 3 they're making no effort to fight.

That's the same place where the flame comes bursting out of the window
in the new Pentagon strike video. How does a plane hitting the wall
at one point cause fire simultaneously erupting a hundred and fifty feet
away?

[HornBuckler]

4. Well

that fire all the way over there you mean? Ahh come on, that was where the giant wings of a 757 were swallowed up!

:)

[mirandapriestly]

15. Here is a tantalyzing tidbit

A guy on the radio on New York 1010 WINS in real time on 911 was reporting that an Air Force Officer came out of the Pentagon after the explosion and saw a helicopter circling the building.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=938919443282661943

I thought that was weird how the fire popped out on the far side like that.

[HornBuckler]

5. Really freaking weird

Does anybody know whether the Pentagon has it's own fire department? I can't understand the lack of attendance as shown in the photos. I have to point out however that in all three pictures I see NO evidence of a huge commercial airliner. Especially picture 3 - it's damning really. There isn't a mark on the lawn. Look at the Pentagon in this shot - where did the wings impact?????????

they just folded in to that small collapse?

Ok - Seriously

Look at image 3 and tell me a 757 hit the Pentagon - how is that EVEN REMOTELY POSSIBLE?

sorry to change/interject my feelings on your post dude.

:)

[Virginia Dare]

13. As far as I know they don't...

anytime I've witnessed a fire or other emergency at the Pentagon, the Arlington County (VA) fire department responds, as they did on 9/11/01.

The Pentagon does have their own police force however.

[DoYouEverWonder]

14. The foam trucks

came from National Airport.

[mirandapriestly]

17. Yes the Pentagon had their own emergency response

Here is an account of what happened from a fireman from another team, you'll see how it was just nuts, and he doesn't question the OCT
http://pentagon.spacelist.org /

[DoYouEverWonder]

18. Odd, the Pentagon was only a two alarm fire

until 11:00 AM when they finally called a third alarm?

That's a pretty meager response to a major fire and plane crash at one of the most important buildings in DC.

[DoYouEverWonder]

19. Correction for the above post

The third alarm wasn't sounded until 1:00 PM!

WTF? 3.5 hours later they finally go to a 3 alarm fire at the Pentagon!

A fire with massive casualties?

I can't wrap my head around this one.

[KJF]

20. Good catch!

I'd never seen this before. This quote may be important:

"Shortly after 2:00 pm, our first task was to stand by outside the B ring while the Arlington Fire Department attempted to make entry to the first floor between corridors 4 and 5. The fire was too intense and the crew quickly retreated."

Make entry? How?

[mirandapriestly]

6. I've been reading a lot about this...

I started reading about this and I think this is a pretty fruitful area of investigation.
Here is an account from a civilian fire fighter.
http://pentagon.spacelist.org/
He is not in doubt of the official story , but I have some questions.
Wasn't the Pentagon emergency team equipped to handle this? They called all these local fire teams and it seems very Mayberry RFDish, lots of standing around, they couldn't "get to" the fires in back so they had to cut the top off of the firetrucks (wtf?) to go thought the tunnels underground (I didn't know about those). Didn't they have a more efficient way of extinguishing fires?
They were told that survivors were likely in a communications bunker on the fourth floor of the E ring by a Navy lieutenant and yet they couldn't get there until after 3PM! (no survivors)
There were many delays, people "milling around" waiting, crews were pulled off the scene because of another possible attack (where did that come from?), while the fires burned on and on. Also crews were recalled away from the scene for possible attacks elsewhere.
Some of it reminds me of the wtc - why does it last so long? He describes fires inside desks drawers and intense heat similar to what was described at wtc. It looks like someone wanted to prolong these fires to me, to make sure something or someone was destroyed.
General Hugh Shelton, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff showed up and wanted to look at the damage and was told he couldn't enter the building by a battalion chief, that is kind of weird, I thought.

For a more critical view and timeline: http://www.pentagonresearch.com/fireresponse.html
An entire load of foam was used to put the fires on a couple of cars out! (The car fires are weird btw). Also, a pentagon firetruck caught on fire and was destroyed, does anyone know why it was parked there?
It sounds like George Bush was expected at the helicopter pad that day (planned before the "attack")

[leftofthedial]

7. WTC was urban renewal/real estate development

disguised (badly) as "terrorism."

The Pentagon was remodeling disguised (badly) as "terrorism."

the firetrucks were there to keep the fire from spreading, not to stop the remodeling

[Mist]

8. What I've always found odd: the number of office workers (all those

guys in the nerdy short-sleeved white shirts) sauntering about the lawn and picking up bits of metal. Not usually part of an office worker's "job description"!

[mirandapriestly]

9. Interesting casualty list at Pentagon

Lots of budget analysts/ accountants/ financial directors and Information specialists- I bet a lot of financial information went up in flames that day - remember the missing trillion?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/05/18/MN251738.DTL
"...only this time because it couldn't account for more than a trillion dollars in
financial transactions, not to mention dozens of tanks, missiles and planes
Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units."

ALSO, there were contractors from Booz Hamilton,and BTG (google them) and :
http://911review.org/inn.globalfreepress/AbuGhraib-Titan-911.html (scroll down a ways)

Pentagon casualty list:

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/trade.center/victims/pentagon.victims.ht

another convenience for the "trifecta"

[mirandapriestly]

11. Hmm, who was the comptroller?

Oh, it was Dov Zakheim of PNAC "a new Pearl Harbor" fame. (Sorry if this has been "done" , it's new to me.)
an example of the money management "special arrangement" under Zakheim -
...
The U.S. Special Operations Command at MacDill Air Force Base inflated budget
proposals at the Pentagon's request last year to hide $20-million from Congress,
according to documents obtained by the St. Petersburg Times..
(This money was needed by a Florida Special Operations Command for "other purposes" (what other purposes I wonder? )The money goes into programs including "improvements to missile warning systems on Special Operations aircraft, infrared equipment on helicopters and radar systems. The $20-million was distributed in amounts as small as $2-million and as large as $5-million."

They also instructed their own budget analysts not to mention it during briefings
with congressional aides, the documents show.
The investigation centers on an agreement between the Pentagon comptroller's
office in Washington and the Special Operations Command comptroller at MacDill..."
http://www.sptimes.com/2003/09/28/news_pf/Tampabay/Military_stashes_cove.shtml



The plan, as described in the documents obtained by the Times, called for
Special Operations Command to pad its proposed budget by $20 million so
the money could be used later by the Pentagon for other purposes. It isn't
yet clear what other purposes the Pentagon had in mind."
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2003/Pentagon-$20-Million30sep03.htm

http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2005/01/17203.php
"In May, 2001, Zakheim was sworn in to the Bush Administration as Under
Secretary of Defense (Comptroller) of the DOD.
Here's the wrinkle: Zakheim's company produces advanced Command
Transmitter Systems, designed to provide "remote control and flight
termination functions through a fully redundant, self-contained solid
state system." The unit is just 5 feet high and can be mounted easily
on a mobile platform. Although designed to control unmanned flights
such as Global hawk from remote positions on the ground, one British
aviation engineer said after 9/11 that the planes used in the attacks
were could have been equipped with, or suitable for, such remote
control units. "

well, I think that's interesting..Zakheim now works for Booz Hamilton, (quite a few of them died 9-11) He's pretty much connected to everything 9-11/Pentagon. Lots of financial people worked in that section of the Pentagon, I'm trying to find out if they were evenly disbursed all over the Pentagon, if so it doesn't really mean anything, but, if not, it looks suspicious considering they were in no hurry to put that fire out.

[mirandapriestly]

16. and, gee whiz, why was there no 2001 financial statement?

http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/246188.html

Of course the Department of the Army, headed by former Enron executive Thomas White,
had an excuse. In a shocking appeal to sentiment it says it didn't publish a
"stand-alone" financial statement for 2001 because of "the LOSS OF FINANCIAL-MANAGEMENT
PERSONNEL sustained during the Sept. 11 terrorist attack."

(my emphasis)

[fakingit]

10. Wow

This is crazy, and I don't like to think this would be the case. Although, I have never looked at it in this way. Thanks a lot for sharing.

[StealthyDragon]

12. The neocons had no intention of putting out any fires quickly....

The Pentagon scene from Fahrenheit 911 proves this.