Trojan Nuke Demolition = hauntingly familiar!

[eek]

Last night I saw the video from the Trojan Nuclear Plant controlled demolition.

Here's a google video link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-685662683327768129&q=trojan+nuclear+tower+implosion


Did anyone else immediately think it looked like the WTC collapses?
Whoa.
I've long been on the fence about whether or not they were "brought down" but after watching the Trojan, the puffs from "squibs" and so on, I've added another notch in the MIHOP belt.

[pauldp]

1. I think the dust is from sheetrock

and those aren't squibs, they are just "venting":sarcasm:

[eek]

2. Oh right. My bad.

heh.

[eek]

3. Link to WTC 7 collapse

http://www.geocities.com/killtown/wtc7.html


compare/contrast to trojan tower

[vincent_vega_lives]

4. Can't view it...regardless

I know what controlled demolition looks like. Am certain it looked a lot like WTC7, collapse and nothing like WTC 1 & 2 collapse.

[eek]

5. yeah. it looked *a lot* like WTC 7

eerily so.

[petgoat]

6. Right, they say WTC towers couldn't have been CD because

CD always proceeds from the bottom.

You couldn't bring the towers down from the bottom. You'd have to tear apart everything
above in mid air and what if you had dud explosives? The tower would topple.

The only way to bring it down without toppling was from the top, floor by floor, straight
down. Just like you'd take it apart floor by floor with torches and cranes.

[mirandapriestly]

17. the same phenomena can be observed

on 1 and 2 as on 7 and other controlled demolitions. But bldged 7 was a lot "neater", doesn't mean it didn't have the same cause.

[libertypirate]

7. For the un-initiated... May I present Implosionsworld cinema

http://www.implosionworld.com/cinema.htm


Looks like WTC7 over and over and over...

Schuylkill Falls Tower - Shows a nice "kink" the center line of the building buckles first followed by the walls inward towards the "kink". First Charge @1.462 "kink" present @2.506


Miliary Park Hotel - @12.221 shows "kink" followed by the walls falling towards the centerline of the structure.


La Courneuve - An oldie but a goodie 2 traditional "kink" implosions for the price of one!

[Jazz2006]

8. I love the Implosion World site ~

Not only because I like seeing masters at demolition at work, but because it also makes it so apparent that the collapses at the WTC were NOT controlled demolitions.

Notice that in taking down tall buildings (the Schuylkill Falls Tower you cite is only 16 stories, not 47 like WTC7, by the way, and the others you cite are also short and/or shorter buildings), there is a series of very loud, rhythmic, obvious detonations before the buildings begin to come down and during the fall itself? Nothing like that at the WTC, which was captured on live film.


The best comparison to WTC7 is the Landmark Tower, which was also 47 stories tall, which you can see here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6979955002470780153&pl=true

And which is clearly and obviously vastly different than what occurred at WTC7.

[libertypirate]

9. Sphincter said what?

The implosion of a square footprint building would not be same as WTC7...

WTC7 had a trapezoid foot print, which needs to be demolished like rectangle footprint. Adding floors just changes the timing not the pattern of collapse, designated by the building footprint and desired direction of the debris.

I have seen monkeys throw shit in more logical patterns then you fools try to make up, and the sad part is you’re trying to make sense.

Tap dancing around that "kink" a bit much buddy.

[Jazz2006]

10. Not talking about your "kink", "buddy"

I'm talking about the obvious differences between the collapse of WTC7 and controlled demolitions generally, and the obvious differences between the collapse of WTC7 and the controlled demolition any comparable size buildings.

The unnecessarily hostile tone of your post makes me think thou dost protest too much.

[libertypirate]

13. No some of these posts make me laugh, cry, sigh,

The only difference between WTC7 and other demolitions is the succinct timing of WTC7, frame through WTC7 collapse and see the "kink" along the centerline of the building allowing the outer walls the space to move in towards the “kink”.

Hey don't take my word go frame through it yourself, its obvious you’re being disingenuous once you see the collapse order in the frames.

If you want nice try the playground, I don't protest I scrutinize if airing your brain farts makes you think I am being hostile you should open a window.

[Jazz2006]

14. More of the same....

I have no idea why you resort immediately to rudeness rather than addressing the points made in posts responding to yours, but it seems apparent that that is your m.o.

Knock yourself out.

If the "only difference" you see between WTC7 and controlled demolitions is the "timing", I suggest that it is you who is being disingenuous.

I've been at this for a long time - for years before I got to DU - and I don't need any lessons from you on how to conduct research.

You could use a few, though, it seems.

And a few on politeness as well.

I have very thick skin and am not at all intimidated or scared off by people being inordinately rude, nor even by people being inordinately nasty (which you haven't been - yet). I was pointing out that the speed at which you went on the offensive in response to a rather innocuous post was pretty telling.

Because it was.

As is your latest lame salvo.

[Bolo Boffin]

11. Check out Jefferson Davis Hospital

That's got a great side-by-side comparison of explosions vs. venting.

:20 Explosions fire debris out of the building.

:25-6 Along the top left corner, as the building falls, debris is pushed out via "venting".

Now if you framegrab, both phenomenon will look the same. However, running the video, the difference between the two is crystal clear.

Watching the video of the WTC collapses, it's clear that venting is responsible for the lower "squibs", not explosions.

[libertypirate]

12. Self Delete

[mirandapriestly]

16. "Venting not explosions"

when a charge is placed and detonates, the "filling" of the charge along with air is forced out through the hole made at a high velocity called a jet, that everyone calls squibs. It's all the same thing.

[Bolo Boffin]

19. Did you go and look at the video I talked about?

There are examples of both at the Jefferson Davis. And when you compare both to the "squibs" on the WTC collapse videos (not misleading stills), it's clear that the "squibs" are being pushed out of the building, a la the venting.

Go on, go look. You'll be amazed.

[mirandapriestly]

20. You didn't leave a link

and I did a search and can't find it. I don't know what good it will do, though. The jets caused by charges detonating are just part of the process of an explosion, it is the same thing.

[Bolo Boffin]

21. Did you go look at the Jefferson Davis video?

Have you been following the conversation?

[mirandapriestly]

15. Here's how it was done

although it's pretty obvious just from looking.

You can enlarge it in the right lower corner.

[HornBuckler]

18. Interesting thing, really

The Trojan Implosion actually looks a little sloppier to me than the WTC 7 collapse - WTC 7 is so perfectly demolished it defies any other theory. That building was a controlled demolition 101 text book definition.

Oh, and by the way - someone give me a link to ANY building (regardless of height) that has fallen like WTC7 that WAS NOT CD, anyone?

Anyone?