Why the 9/11 conspirators will probably never be caught

[rman]

Why the 9/11 conspirators will probably never be caught
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by "Stop The War"


We have to understand that the power elite work by doing each other unsolicited favors. They don't talk about what is going on. This is the way huge crime syndicates can survive.

Chances are that Cheney didn't know the particulars of the 9/11 attack but he was told that something was going to happen soon -- so sending the chase planes up North would be something that would make sense if there was possibly going to be a terror attack. He may even not have known that it was going to be exactly on 9/11 but he probably knew that something would happen soon so in general he'd be obstructing the USA preparedness shield.

So when Bush read "My Pet Goat" he was probably figuring that the rumored terror attack had gone down so the best thing was just to sit tight and wait for everything to shake out.

Likewise, Silverstein probably didn't know exactly what was going to happen but he made it possible for the people who planted explosives to get in there and do their dirty work without knowing exactly what or how. He was likely communicating indirectly through an intermediary. So the people contacted him about building 7 -- he said "Go ahead and take it down." He doesn't know exactly who did it or how.

The connections between the people who do these things are purposefully loose to protect themselves from being discovered. They make sure to not know details so if questioned they can have plausible deniability.

The last thing Bush wants is for the meddlesome CIA to actually discover what happened on 9/11. Most likely there is a small cabal of CIA insiders sympathetic to Bush's regime who's job is to insure that the CIA will never unravel the plot. Part of the purpose of the secret rendition flights are to make sure that they've killed all the people in the network who knew and planned 9/11 so that it will never be found out.

We're never gonna catch the 9/11 conspirators because the power elite don't know who, what or how terror attacks are going down. They just know to look the other way so that things like this can happen when they need them done.

The power elite is not about knowing who's doing what to whom. It's about just quietly doing each other unsolicited favors that nobody ever talks about. They've been trained from birth to accept their position of wealth and power on the condition that nobody ever digs into the dirty secrets. Anybody who breaks the rules is quickly singled out and stripped of power and wealth, discredited as a kook or at worst killed -- once again by the unspoken cabal and nobody knows who or how it happens but they are just happy that it does and quietly work to obstruct anybody who starts to dig.

A lot of people who work to unravel these conspiracies expect to eventually catch the bad guys red-handed -- but it ain't gonna happen. They expect to break into Bohemian Grove, the Trilateral Commission or the World Economic Summit and suddenly bust out an exciting story about men of power and wealth discussing their dark and sinister plans. The power elite have been at it for thousands of years and they stay in power by never talking about their dirty work. When people break into the secret meetings of the wealthy they are usually disappointed by how little useful information is discussed.

Only once in a while do the wealthy slip-up and get exposed as the criminals they are, but then their damage control goes into affect to minimize its extent. We can't expect to find all our leaders being Satanic child abusers and blood drinkers or something weird like that. Most of them are just boring wealthy people and only a few do enough extreme perverse stuff to be found out -- and when they do they are quickly ostracized by their buddies, isolated and discredited. When we find out some revelation that a congressperson or judge secretly collects kiddie porn or does crack, most of the time its probably a frame-up by political enemies.

Rather than looking to suddenly catch the power elite red-handed and see justice dramatically done, activists must patiently and persistently work and be happy with hard-won incremental gains to make the world a better place. The other alternative is to let things get so bad that we have a bloody revolution. Both things happen during the course of history. Bloody revolution usually results in more chaos. South America is currently engaged in a peaceful transformation into a better society but this could easily go astray, especially if obstructed by Western powers to punish them for disconnecting from the global elite's grid of power and wealth. They've had plenty of unproductive, bloody revolutions in the recent past.

The whole point is that peace and justice are hard-fought, hard-won battles. There ain't no easy path. We have to buck up and be prepared to put in a lot of effort if we want the world to be a saner place. Progress is the province of the patient, commited, practical, intelligent and hard-working.

Enough whining, finger pointing and hand wringing already -- get to work people, if you want change. That's the only way it will hapen.

[Bolo Boffin]

1. Because they died on the planes? n/t

[Debunking911]

2. Speculation and out right lies.

Like Sliverstein saying "Go ahead and take it down". Not only did he not say that but he said the fire commander saw the one who made the decision to pull everyone away.

http://www.geocities.com/debunking911/pull.htm

The evidence is absolutely clear.

Everything else seems to be speculation without evidence.

[jschurchin]

4. Kind of reminds me of how........

the towers and 7 fell. Speculation without EVIDENCE.

[Bushwick Bill]

3. Sounds like a Tarpley model.

Moles, patsies and professional killers.
http://reprehensor.gnn.tv/blogs/10888/Webster_Griffin_Tarpley_on_Synthetic_Terror_Pt_1
http://www.gnn.tv/blogs/11078/Webster_Griffin_Tarpley_on_Synthetic_Terror_Pt_2?r=4

[rman]

5. yep

Sounds about right to.

[Sinti]

6. rman, have you ever read "The Secret Team" by Fletcher Prouty? n/t

[rman]

10. No,

but i'm familiar with Prouty from the re-issued DVD "JFK".
I suppose what Prouty has to say is along similar lines as this article and presentations by Tarpley.

[Sinti]

17. In "The Secret Team" he tries to give you an idea of how the CIA

and probably other three-letter agencies work. To some degree the person in charge simply has to say something to the effect of, 'it would make life a lot easier if Castro just died of natural causes, like a heart attack' or 'you know, it would be perfect if Castro just died...' and there are guys who take it upon themselves to make that happen. The person in charge knows this is what they'll do, but rarely has to give orders, per se. It was a pretty good read, taken, like all other things, with a little grain of salt.

[rman]

18. sounds interesting,

i might pick it up some day.

[libertypirate]

7. We can all say it together... It's not the crime it's the cover-up /nt

[Rich Hunt]

8. That's a terrible headline....

....and I think the 'surviving' conspirators wish it were so.

[rman]

11. So you disagree with the contents of the article.

Why?

[Alexodin]

9. For the most part I agree with you rman ...

....yet I believe that the truth behind 9/11 has the power to profoundly change civilization for the better. I will continue to demand justice no matter how remote the possibility of realizing that goal. I believe that the number of people seriously questioning the official version of events on 9/11 has reached a critical mass and growing demand to reopen the investigation may be ignored by authorities at their peril.

While false flag attacks that serve the purpose of cassis belli are nothing new, the internet is news indeed. For the first time in the history of the world like minded people may read each others thoughts and form cooperative research groups.

It is a triumph of the educational system that we commoners can read at all. So I have strong hope that things cannot go on as they have for millennia and that we can throw these parasites that feed on war off our backs, perhaps for the first time in history.

[rman]

13. I think it's like the assassination of JFK;

many (in case of JFK most) people don't buy the Official Story.

So many/most people 'know the truth' even if they don't know exactly how things transpired - but that doesn't mean the perpetrators will be caught. It can however be enough of a motivator to start trying to change things, and i think that's ultimately what counts.

[Alexodin]

14. But the JFK assassination was not trumpeted endlessly

as a cause for war and we did not have the internet back then. Also the public was not as inclined toward skepticism of authority back then as we are today. So I don't think its the same in a number of important ways. We had the Zapruder film but that was nothing like the video technology we have today. I think these are significant differences. And yes, motivation is key now we can motivate with a blow torch versus a wet box of matches.

[rman]

16. I think both events are of similar significance

It can be argued that the coup d'etat that was the JFK assassination enabled the group that's currently in power to do what they've been doing since.

I'm not so sure people were less skeptical then as they are now; the peace/anti-vietnam war/'hippie' movement did have a lot of traction before the power elites squelched it.
It wasn't that long ago when the establishment found it necessary to try and debunk the JFK CTs by means of a documentary on the matter. It was stated back then (1997 or thereabout) that the reason for it was that after more then 40 years something like 70% of Americans still believed there was a govt conspiracy involved with the JFK assassination. I don't think that docu did much to change that.

Neither 9-11 nor the JFK assassination can be proven to be a 'government conspiracy' based only on records of physical evidence of the actual events. Much more compelling though more complicated to grasp and explain are the actions of people and institutions involved before and after the events.

The Zapruder film is only a small part of the evidence in the case of JFK (see Stone's "JFK"). Likewise the videos and photos of the events on 9-11 are only a small part of the evidence - in spite of the fact that this forum does focus on that almost exclusively.

Whichever the case, i don't think the main point is to have these things proven in a court of law. I don't see that happening as long as 'the cabal' is in power. I think what does matter is that the 'real powers that be' are convicted in the court of public opinion, and i think we're getting ever closer to that. All it takes is to spread the information.

[Alexodin]

19. I'm sure you realize that at the time of the JFK assassination

there was no antiwar movement just a few folk singers and beat bohos that were aligned, for the most part, with labor and civil rights issues if they were political at all. It wasn't until much later that the majority of the American people became skeptical of our government's version of events until today where the consensus reality is that it was the result of a criminal cabal that got away with it. At the time such a thought was pretty much unthinkable and this assisted the traitors in the cover up. We don't buy their lies at face value anymore but back in those days we sure did.

The assassination of JFK, MLK, and RFK were pivotal events in this nation's history and, for my money, were committed by the same people namely intelligence services (CIA Poppy the Mossad and others), organized crime (Hoover), and a collection of fascist military industrialist war profiteers.

I mention this because it goes to the concept of traction I believe we have far more traction these days than the period from the initial event and now 1963-1968 vs 2001-2006. There has recently been some noise about how the official version of events surrounding RFK's assassination stink to high heaven. A minor miracle, someone must have died.

Yet the JFK, MLK, RFK, assassinations will not be truthfully talked about because the perps are still around and as you mention may in fact still hold power, once they are gone all may be revealed and the perps publicly condemned because by then there will be nothing that anyone can do about it, so, yes I am agreeing with you that it is unlikely we will ever see justice for the traitors but I still hope. The cabal follows this same model in South America and elsewhere where the outgoing bad guy is roundly condemned and his atrocities revealed and the new bad guy is free to continue, it helps them appear as credible leaders that hold the interests of their nation and people at heart.

A picture is worth a thousand words and we have very powerful tools of persuasion these days that we did not posses in the past. I remember printing out anti Viet Nam war leaflets in my garage and distributing them on the streets, being able to freely mass distribute images such as the pics of the Abu Ghraib atrocities is a tremendous advantage that we did not posses in the past. Many Americans have neither the time nor the inclination to read very much so images are very important once again I have strong hope that the truth will out. I 100% agree we need to get the message out and being able to send my friend a photo instantly or a video at zero cost to me much less be able to distribute them widely to the general public is a tremendous improvement over the past.

[rman]

20. I stand corrected.

Thanks for pointing this out.
It's true there wasn't much of a peace movement around the time of the assassination of JFK. Also i omitted the impact that the internet has these days. Otoh it seems many people are more desensitized and more apathetic then before.
Nevertheless things are looking better then before. Though i do think that even if certain individuals eventually pass on, the network that benefits from what they were involved in will still exist and it will have an interest in continuing the coverups.

[Twist_U_Up]

12. Ding Ding Ding

[HornBuckler]

15. Spot on

pretty much - although I would go so far as to say Cheney knew EXACTLY what was going down but it's impossible to prove at this point.


good post.

:)