9/11 Truth on NBC News

[petgoat]

http://lonelantern.net/downloads/Carol_Brouillet_on_NBC.wmv

Since I no longer watch TV news, some things really jumped out at me:

1. That flight 77 was flown into the Pentagon was presented as a fact framing the story
2. They said 125 people were in the Pentagon (when obviously many more than that were)
3. They said Pentagon cameras captured the attack
4. They called Judicial Watch's FOIA request a "Freedom of Information Act"
5. They refer to the object in the frame as "the nose of the 757"

Carol Brouillet, the 9/11 truth activist featured in the segment, is running for Congress
in California, and will appear at the upcoming Chicago conference June 2-4.

http://www.911revealingthetruth.org/

[Grateful for Hope]

1. Interesting, petgoat

I also noticed that they mention that the Pentagon says they have no other tapes. I guess it would have been too much for them to do some digging on the story, and maybe mention the tapes confiscated from the nearby gas station, for instance.

The conference sounds very interesting, and I wish I could go. I also wish, though, that there could be some good debates on the issues -- it doesn't sound like this is going to happen.

I was just doing some research today on the 2004 election, and how the media even refused to cover the known irregularities (although they didn't mind debunking what they termed "conspiracy theories" on the internet in reference to fraud). It seems that only Keith Olbermann made a concerted effort to look at all sides of the issues.

Links:

http://mediamatters.org/items/200411120011
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_U.S._presidential_election_controversy
http://www.harpers.org/ExcerptNoneDare.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/12/politics/12theory.html?ei=5088&en=4d92304c5edc7155&ex=1258002000&adxnnl=1&partner=rssnyt&adxnnlx=1148922380-p/+/O4tIcn2D4HnF79DyIg
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6368819/

It's interesting that Kerry now does apparently acknowledge that there were many, many irregularities and "dirty tricks" during that election.


While this is not 9/11-related, I found it interesting in that it seems the media has been very instrumental in labeling questioning such as that which occurred after the election, as conspiracy theory material.

[Sinti]

3. Our press does seem quite controlled.

Whether it's because of who writes their checks, Operation Mockingbird, fear of being labeled a nut and unable to get another respectable job, whatever the cause. They only say what they're permitted to say, and they don't do any real investigative reporting any more. It seems that they don't ask questions, and neither should you.

It shows up in other places, such as the Downing Street Minutes, Abu Ghraib and the lack of accountability by anyone who actually gets to make decisions. Their job seems to be to read government press releases to the public.

[Grateful for Hope]

4. Their job seems to be to read government press releases to the public.

Yes, absolutely.

:toast:

[Sinti]

15. Can you imagine how different the world would be if we had a

real, working Fourth Estate. I pray for the day when a gang of gutsy reporters starts asking the tough questions.

[petgoat]

16. “Be the change that you want to see in the world.” Gandhi

Be the media.

[KJF]

2. They say

"Those who beleive there was a 9/11 conspiracy claim there are more than 80 different cameras which recorded at least part of the crash."
Actually, this claim was initially made (in slightly different form) by Special Agent Jacqueline Maquire of the FBI in a statement dated 7 September 2005. Link: http://www.flight77.info/

NBC at least gave the other side a couple of seconds to put its point of view, which is more than some other networks (like CNN AFAIK) did. However, the piece wasn't very accurate. Maybe next time she'll get 10 seconds.

[Shoestring]

6. Jamie McIntyre too...

CNN's Jamie McIntyre also recently mentioned the other 80 videos. He said: "there are at least 80 other tapes that the government is holding onto. We're told that they don't really show much, but sources have told us that at least one of the tapes from a security camera at a nearby hotel may have captured the plane in the air."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0605/20/tt.01.html

[mirandapriestly]

8. Good find, you're right

and the guy who runs that site has a request out for more of the tapes. He seems fairly confident he will get them, he is also is quick to condemn anyone who thinks the released tapes would be fake, oh gee, why might anyone suspect that after how forthcoming they have been?

[mirandapriestly]

5. How could Lee Hamilton say there was overwhelming

evidence? Did he see something we didn't? The only reports were done several days after 9-11 by the NTSB and those were "limited access", then not until a month after.
That "news" report is just a reminder of how canned news shows just repeat the "official" info without investigating anything themselves. With this administration, asking the government for information is like going by the word of the killer in a murder case. Although good for them having Carol Brouillet on for 10 seconds and cutting away right in the middle of something important she was saying. Although I personally like to consider all kinds of theories about missiles and plots, because it is interesting to me, I think it is good to have even-keeled "911 truth" people like Carol Brouillet, even though they are called "limited hangout" or whatever, in the public eye, she is more likely to make headway or get elected than someone who thinks there was a hologram or whatever, then we could look at the more detailed aspects once we got an investigation.
I didn't notice that they said there were only 125 people in the Pentagon. Do you mean that the report is not well done or that they are trying to be deceptive in some way?

[Bolo Boffin]

7. When I look at press treatments like that

I completely understand frustration at the media.

(Disclaimer: Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.)

Two big sloppy moments: the 125 in the Pentagon moment - petgoat's take on that is exactly right. That was sloppy copywriting. And two, the 80 tapes/Pentagon "only one we have" claim. The statements are set against each other as if they contradict each other. It's true, the two tapes released by the Pentagon are the only ones they have. That doesn't mean that the 80 tapes aren't being held by another agency (the Justice Department, who was proscecuting the case, duh? or the FBI, which gathered the evidence?). Stupid little blow-dry journalists who are more concerned with slickness of final product doesn't do anyone's cause any good.

Okay, I'll include the FOIA blunder, which is more sloppiness.

And this all fits into the Bush Administration's pattern of stonewalling any internal information (not just 9/11 stuff). The bottom line for this bunch of stooges is, find any reason you can to avoid releasing any single piece of information, ever. Flight77.info had to refile all their FOIAs because their requests specified "impact".

[Americus]

9. Stating opinions as fact --- just like the corporate media does

boloboffin says:

1) "Flight 77 hit the Pentagon". PROBLEM: that's an opinion, not a fact. At least, I HOPE it's a genuine opinion, and not just a Spin point from the Talking Points book.

2) "It's true, the two tapes released by the Pentagon are the only ones they have." DITTO...unless boloboffin is a magician/clairvoyant.

Of course, it's also possible that boloboffin doesn't know the difference. I doubt it's due to negligence.

Corporate media regularly state opinions as facts, but that doesn't mean a serious 911 researcher (NOT a misprint) should.

[Bolo Boffin]

10. Sweet and proper Americus

Flight 77 hitting the Pentagon is a fact, not an opinion.

The Pentagon could have more than two videos. However, the reporter we are discussing has used the statement by the Pentagon (which could be true, and may well be technically true, if you have observed how the highly technical denials of FOIAs have been conducted by this administration) - I say, the reporter used this statement in a way that seemed like the entire government didn't have any more tapes, which is not true, because the other 80 or so tapes exist.

[Americus]

11. Sweet, proper, and 100% fearless in the face of opinion stated as fact

Flight 77 wasn't even a scheduled flight on September 11, 2001.

[Bolo Boffin]

12. You are a dear.

Now put down those scissors and run along.

[Americus]

13. Dear boloboffin:

You (and one or two others from the OCT Brigade) have made passing reference to me as dynamic, boistrous, mad, scissors-carrying and so on, when everyone whom I ever associated with knows that I am one of the longest-suffering and pleasantest and, at heart, quietest persons alive today, a sort of gentile Christ. I had a straight flush the other night that gave me a momentary lift, but only momentary....

As ever,
Americus

[LARED]

14. a sort of gentile Christ

Is that like a non-Μεσσίας complex?

[sabbat hunter]

17. do you have a link

do you have a link to back up your assertion that flight 77 wasnt scheduled on 9-11-2001?

[DoYouEverWonder]

18. I remember somthing about two flights that morning

on the same route at the same time.

It seems a lot of people on 77 were last minute changes and a fair number of people originally scheduled shifted to the other flight.

I'll look for the link.