Have you seen enough evidence to convince you Bin Laden was behind 9/11?

[StellaBlue]

Bin Laden and/or Al Qaeda, as explained by our news media?

[Swamp Rat]

1. No, nothing, nada, null set n/t

[StellaBlue]

2. Hey, I met a guy from NOLA tonight.

At a Syriana-watching party.

:hi:

I wondered why I couldn't place his Southern/Brooklyn accent. haha!

[Swamp Rat]

6. Dats rite dawlin'!

You say, 'these and those' and we say, 'deez and doze.' :D

[Liberal In Texas]

3. See ya' down in the 911 basement.

(Which I haunt and like very much, BTW.)

[Whoa_Nelly]

4. Voted NO!

Not only have we been told it was him behind 9/11, but there have been far too many instances of NOT going after him.

Am not usually a conspiracy type believer, but over the last six years, and knowing what I do of the Bush TX governor years, along with the fucking PNAC thugs, I tend to believe that OBL is being protected so those neocon creeps can carry out their plans in full for global domination. And, somewhat believe that OBL really wasn't behind 9/11 at all, but simply one of the players, via being a bin Laden family member, or fairy tale-like pawns.

[grasswire]

5. They lied to us about Oswald, remember (eom)

[bliss_eternal]

7. No, but I've seen enough to suspect

that the cave he's hiding in, is a secret room at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. :P

[Kutjara]

8. The question is not whether bin Laden was involved...

...the question is whether we can believe any statement made by any Western government. Any credibility they may once have had has been lost, so who knows about 911, who knows about 7/7, who knows about Madrid or Bali or any of the other attacks. Was it us or was it them? Who knows?

[tuvor]

9. Didn't it take him three or four years to claim responsibility?

Until a year or two ago, I thought there was nothing published as far as OBL's taking responsibility. But I think it was a credible source who recently published OBL's confession, or whatever you want to call it.

On the other hand, you'd think there'd've been a lot of braggadocio right away from whomever the bastard really was.

[Foolkiller]

10. Yes.

I never let a good story get in the way of facts.

We have video of the hijackers, the hijackers' backgrounds have been vetted by independent journalists, they've been shown to be jihadists and associated with Bin Laden. We've had similar jihadist attacks from related organizations -- or organizations with the same ideology -- before Bush was in office, i.e., the Cole, Khobar Towers, the first WTC attempt, etc.

We help our cause if we stay away from this fringe stuff.

[jsamuel]

11. What does the FBI have to say about 9/11 and Osama?

[jsamuel]

13. FBI says, “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11”

http://www.teamliberty.net/id267.html

[jsamuel]

15. Before you call something "fringe", you should be sure you know what you

are talking about. If the FBI is "fringe", well, then what isn't?

[Richard Steele]

67. *crickets*

Too bad the FBI doesn't have access to the REAL evidence
like our new friend Foolkiller, eh?

[Sperk]

12. the FBI disagrees, they have stated that 9.11 is NOT listed as

a reason he is on the FBI most wanted list because they say they don't have enough evidence linking him to 9/11 to bring to a grand jury. I don't have a link to where I read this, but Randi Rhodes also stated the quote on her radio show.


BinLaden was a backed by the CIA when he was fighting the Russians in Afghanistan and it was reported that just weeks before 9/11 he was visited by the CIA in a Dubai hospital....they denied it but the paper and the doctors at the hospital stood by their story and I believe them.

And remember the "white paper" Tony Blair was going to present to us with all the evidence.....we never saw it.

If Bush says it....it's a lie...pretty good rule of thumb.

[niyad]

14. welcome to DU-- let's see--five of the supposed hijackers are known

to be alive and well. bin laden wasn't behind the first WTC attempt--and the ones that were are in jail. anybody who knows or understands anything about the more fundamentalist of islamists KNOWS that if jihadists were actually responsible for THIS sept 11 (don't forget about salvador allende's sept 11) they would NOT have been in a bar DRINKING and consorting with prostitutes the night before their mission.
and there is the fact that bush and company were doing everything in their power NOT to have an investigation into this attack. one would think that that would have been just about the first order of business, to launch a thorough and complete investigation, but NOOOOOOOOO. and when they were finally forced to hold one, it was so hampered as to be virtually useless. and WHY was it that bush and cheney would not testify under oath, and would only speak off the record, and together? anybody with two brain cells that arc know they were covering up something.

so perhaps you ought to take a closer look at things, including david ray griffin's book, before you dismss this as "fringe stuff" (which, by the way, is a typical tactic of the rw's to deflect any real attempts to find the truth)

[Bluebear]

16. "Foolkiller". Droll.

Welcome to DU.

[Foolkiller]

19. Thanks.

I'm here five minutes and I'm already branded a right-winger.

I never seem to make good first impressions . . .

[Guaranteed]

21. Not as far as I'm concerned.

Don't let the craziness throw you.

The poll was deliberately skewed in the conspiracy direction, anyway.

[Bluebear]

25. Re: "We don't help our cause by _____"

Branding something as 'fringe' and advising how best to help our cause by avoiding topics is just an incurious frame of mind. Nevertheless, welcome, and hope you enjoy discussing!

[Red Right and BLUE]

24. So it doesn't bother you that

some of the 911 hijackers on the govt's list turned out to be alive and well?

[The Straight Story]

70. It's called 'Lying' about your identity

so I would expect some people to be alive who had those names.

[enough already]

33. I'm not buying any of it

I've seen the evidence and it's clear to me that Bush orchestrated this whole thing for political gain.

[Toots]

49. Don't forget the Pristeen passport that was found on the street

I also have a really super deal on an aluminum mine in Alaska if you are interested..

[Bridget Burke]

86. "Our" cause?

Are you someone who kills fools? Or a fool who kills?

[SensibleAmerican]

17. Oh, maybe his confession

n/t

[Pastiche423]

63. What confession?

Link, please.

[Foolkiller]

18. I'm not RW . . .

I just find that this conspiracy stuff detracts from true progressive arguments.

The fact that Bin Laden hasn't been charged with the crime, or that an FBI determination is that he couldn't be charged with a crime is different than a finding that he's not at fault. As an attorney with some prosecutorial experience, I know that it's pretty damned hard to charge and convict somebody for a conspiracy charge when almost all of the other conspirators/actors are dead or noncooperative.

We also have a videotape from Bin Laden where he takes credit for the bombing and even brags that some of the hijackers didn't know it was a suicide mission. Yeah, the tape could be a forgery, but you'd have to prove that to me. I'm not going to believe it's a forgery simply because it exists or because the tape was politically advantageous for Repugs.

Some of the hijackers were drinking and hanging out with prostitutes the night before? That doesn't tell me anything other than there are varying degrees of religious conviction, and oh yeah, they were partying like it was their last night on Earth.

And I know the CIA worked with Bin Laden to beat the Soviet incursion into Afghanistan. He may have been treated at Western hospitals before 9/11. But that's all incidental and tells me nothing about a so-called conspiracy.

We need to get off this stuff. When we campaign and tell the American people why we need better race relations, a higher minimum wage, redistribution of wealth, a better environment, and universal health care, we'd better not spend all of our time telling them about the little green men who landed on our lawn in their spaceship, or else they're inclined to disregard EVERYTHING we say.

[ngant17]

23. LIHOP vrs MIHOP, ect.

I think what a lot of people are saying is that, although OBL may not or may have been directly connected with the 9-11 attacks, there are other aspects to this case that should be examined rather than just looking for one scape-goat. There are the LIHOP/MIHOP approaches to the conspiracy.

It may be that OBL did have an intent, and intent may be enough to convict. But why was NORAD on stand-down? What about the near-perfect collapse of the towers, including one in which a plane never collided against it?

And what about that "Ultra-rare news footage from the crash site of United Flight 93 which has never been seen again since 9/11." See youtube.com link below:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc

In short, we are talking about a conspiracy. Why do you associate a conspiracy theory with someone on the lunatic fringe?

People once said the same thing about anyone who suggested Oswald was a scape-goat and a patsy. Heck, even Oswald said he was a "patsy" before he died in the Dallas police basement.

[The Straight Story]

71. And this video shows what??

A large hole in the ground? Hmm maybe caused by a large object hitting it?

Plane crashes don't always leave a lot of debris as planes are mainly hollow space. The small debris shown in the video seems to support something hitting the ground, blowing up/out, and a crater where the impact point was.

[Bluebear]

29. Re: his taking credit

or his "confession" as another poster said: plenty of criminals took "credit" for crimes they did not commit for the glory. I do believe he masterminded it and Bush ignored it, but I am all for a good discussion of the facts, for example why the FBI itself states he is not implicated for 9/11.


P.S. "better race relations, a higher minimum wage, redistribution of wealth, a better environment, and universal health care" . . Good on ya! :toast:

[Peace Patriot]

34. The reason we don't have "better race relations, a higher minimum wage,

redistribution of wealth, a better environment, and universal health care" is 9/11. So, you bet I'm interested in the LACK OF INVESTIGATION of that event, the huge holes in the official story, the many, many anomalies in that story, and the thin evidence on Osama. Every time ANY QUESTION about ANYTHING is asked of Bush, he INEVITABLY starts talking about 9/11. He thinks it's the justification for all his crimes--torture, unjust war slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent people, NO-BID CONTRACTS FOR HALLIBURTON, a $10 trillion deficit, pervasive, illegal domestic spying, tax cuts for the rich, the bankruptcy bill, destroying Social Security. "9/11, 9/11, 9/11," he answers.

It piques one's curiosity. How convenient for fascists to have this excuse to loot us blind!

"...this conspiracy stuff detracts from true progressive arguments." I have always associated progressivism with facts, truth and good analysis. I am interested in facts--like, where was our Secretary of Defense during the hour after the WTC fell, and our nation's capitol was undefended? And, why did he draw all NORAD decision-making powers into his hands four months before 9/11, and then go AWOL during the critical hour, when the standard procedures of the NORAD hijacking defense system entirely fell apart and were not implemented?

And I am NOT inclined to CLOUD MY MIND with dismissive shibboleths like "all this conspiracy stuff." What are you saying? Have you read the 9/11 reports and considered the facts and the evidence? What do YOU think of the evidence regarding THE most important event of the Bush regime--the event they hark back to, whenever anyone criticizes them, the event they use, time and again, to SHUT PEOPLE UP?

I think you had better realize WHY the progressive policies of this country are all under attack, WHY these improved progressive policies that you mention don't have a chance in hell of being implemented, and WHY we will be lucky to save Social Security--which they are ALREADY LOOTING to pay Halliburton & Co., and the super-rich, MORE OF OUR MONEY?

Conspiracy stuff, indeed. I suppose you think Tom Delay's and Bob Ney's scheme to turn our voting system over to PRIVATE BUSHITE CORPORATIONS, who are now "counting" all our votes with TRADE SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, and virtually no audit/recount controls, is NOT a conspiracy!

If that's your view, then all I can say to you is: watch Robert Kennedy Jr.'s lawsuit against Diebold and ES&S.

I think using phrases like "this conspiracy stuff" is naive, and not very progressive in consideration of evidence. And good luck getting "better race relations, a higher minimum wage, a redistribution of wealth..." and all those good things that we all want for our country. It's not happening--BECAUSE there is a fascist cabal of war profiteers and global corporate predators that has seized our government and is CONSPIRING against everything that most Americans hold dear.

I'm not saying DON'T advocate for these good causes, and for good government. We must be loud and clear about progressive policy. But if we fail to realize WHY this country seems to be reverting to the Middle Ages, we will never be able to throw this fascist cabal off our backs. They are conspirators. They conspired to lie about the war and the cold-blooded slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent people. They conspired to destroy our entire CIA WMD counter-proliferation network. They conspired to cover it up. They conspired to torture prisoners. They conspired with Ken Lay and Enron to loot California of $9 billion dollars. They conspired to take away our right to vote. They conspired with the oil companies and the Saudi sheiks to drive up the price of gasoline. They are conspiring against Iran and against Latin American democracies. They are conspiring with rightwing religious fundamentalists to destroy all social progress. They have repeatedly conspired to break the law and to shred the U.S. Constitution. They are highly secretive and devious. And it is not at all unlikely that they conspired about 9/11.

All I'm saying is, understand the full context in which we are fighting for progressive policy. The above list of conspiracies are NOT distractions. They are WHY we can't get anywhere with MAJORITY American views on sensible, good government policy. And if we don't address the thing that is right under our noses--the conspiracy to take away our right to vote in TRANSPARENT elections--we can forget ever reversing any of the damage they've done, let alone making any progress in matters of human rights, peace and justice.

[Foolkiller]

38. Political convenience doesn't equal conspiracy

Just because Bush and the Repugs bring it up time and again doesn't mean that they orchestrated it.

And it has nothing to do with Ken Lay, Enron, or voting rights, as near as I can tell. Tragedies all, but I see no evidence that they're related to 9/11. The only relationship I see is that we don't like the actors behind each, but that doesn't mean that they're conspiring together in any kind of orchestrated fashion.

Believe me, I wish we could change the story -- it's pretty clear to me that when national defense is the big issue, most voters inherently trust the Repugs to do a better job, time and again. But wanting it to be so doesn't make it so.

[Hugin]

41. Very good post.

Saved me from having to say it.

[we can do it]

87. Whoa -That Just About Sums It Up......9/11 Was Just TOO Convenient n/t

[Solomon]

35. The only people who get sucked in by that fake videotape of Bin Laden

"confessing" to 9-11 are people who never actually saw the video but who heard about it. Anybody who saw that video KNOWS it to be fake. That was NOT Bin Laden on that tape.

[Guaranteed]

20. This is a sad poll.

I'm not dead against some kind of LIHOP, or even an outside MIHOP (with PNAC/CIAers pushing Al Qaeda in the direction themselves), but bin Laden DEFINITELY orchestrated 9/11.

This poll is a damned shame for DU.

[CJCRANE]

26. Correct me if I'm wrong

but I was under the impression that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (detained in Pakistan) was the mastermind according to the official narrative.

[Red Right and BLUE]

27. Until we see more than just videos and statements

I don't believe ANYTHING this government tells us.

[rman]

31. the "it makes us look bad"-argument got old a long time ago

[Guaranteed]

52. My argument is more of the old "We're just wrong" argument.

Which is pretty sad.

[rman]

66. "We're just wrong" isn't a very convincing argument

[NNN0LHI]

40. For the sake of argument I will agree with you for now

Can you provide the precise date that the CIA stopped funding bin Laden?

Don

[CJCRANE]

22. Bin Laden is/was just a figurehead -

I thought it's come out that the funds came from other sources in Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan and that the planning was done in Pakistan (not to mention that standing down America's defenses to terrorism prior to 9/11 was homegrown).

[Red Right and BLUE]

28. No. eom

[Sadie5]

30. Have you seen enough evidence to convince you Bin Laden was behind 9/11

No, but I've seen enough evidence to convince me that * and his cabal knew what was going on and made sure NORAD was tied up in exercises. Then the "deer in the headlights look" * had on his disgusting face when Card told him of the attack. * knew!

[dailykoff]

32. Like I'm convinced that Betty Crocker bakes cakes. (n/t)

[H2O Man]

36. Yes.

From the books I have read.

[tomp]

44. which books? nt

[H2O Man]

47. A couple I think

are worth reading are "Imperial Hubris" by Michael Scheuer, and "The Osama bin Laden I Know," by Peter Bergen. I think they give a fair picture of Usama bin Laden. I think that Bergen does a good job of exposing the false belief that the CIA financed and/or trained Usama bin Laden, a fiction that many people still believe. I note that Gore Vidal likewise exposes this as false in "Perpetual War for Perpetual Peace." When one moves beyond this myth of Usama bin Laden being connected to the Agency, it is possible to put his role in proper perspective.

[tomp]

51. thank you.

that "myth" is at issue in my mind. perhaps these books will help clarify.

[Finder]

57. Who do they think did the Anthrax letters? n/t

[H2O Man]

62. Which "they"?

I'm not sure who you mean.

[Finder]

81. The authors of the books you cite. n/t

[undeterred]

37. I think bin laden was as surprised by the attacks as we were

and grateful to be given credit for such a masterpiece of terror.

Bush, on the other hand, wasn't surprised at all.

[NNN0LHI]

39. Enough? I have seen one FAT Osama tape smoking and joking about 9/11

I haven't seen any evidence yet. Powell promised to release a white paper to show bin Laden was the culprit right after 9/11 on Meet The Press. The next day Bush and his minions refused to release it. The Dem's and the media never pushed the subject any further. That was that.

Don

[UDenver20]

42. innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

And yes, it applies to everybody.

All men are created equal... Even if they're puss... Not just those who are lucky enough to be born here.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

43. "E" confessed. So it's settled.

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[RUMMYisFROSTED]

65. Interesting website.

Nothing to see here, move along.

[psychopomp]

69. That screen grab is from the video with translations added

I think he looks "fat" in that video because the aspect ratio was shortened to put fit the subtitles below in the same frame:



Doesn't everybody look "fat" in these images?

I have been looking for a non-subtitled version to test that idea.



The bottom screen grabs are purportedly from the same "confession" video. Notice he doesn't look fat, here.

[readmoreoften]

72. I wouldn't convict on that evidence.

Aspect ratio will stretch a person within proportion, but that doesn't look like him. Beyond that, it's way too dark.

[psychopomp]

79. A simple way to disprove it is to find the source video

w/o the English translations at the bottom.

[Lefty48197]

45. I knew on 9/10/01 that al Qaeda would be behind any terror activities

but no, I haven't heard anything from the media.

[HamdenRice]

46. Definitely: Yes and no

I am convinced that bin Laden and AQ were behind it. But the big question is who is bin Laden and what is AQ?

In other words, you can accept governmental complicity in 9/11 at either the LIHOP or MIHOP level and still also accept that bin Laden and AQ did it. The question is what was the relationship between bin Laden, AQ, Pakistani intelligence and US covert operations?

[CJCRANE]

48. Now THAT is the question everyone should be asking!..nt

[rman]

68. fair enough; let's say OBL and AQ were "involved",

it's questionable though whether or not that's where the plan originated.

[leesa]

50. What evidence? Even the FBI says they have no concrete evidence

he was involved, which is why 9-11 is NOT listed as one of his crimes on the FBI web page.

[allemand]

53. Yes, because he confessed to it. Repeatedly.

Excerpts: Bin Laden video
29 October, 2004



While I was looking at those destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me to punish the unjust one in a similar manner by destroying towers in the United States so that it would feel some of what we felt and to be deterred from killing our children and women...
(...)

We had agreed with the chief amir Mohammed Atta that he should accomplish all the operations within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration could take notice.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3966817.stm

'Bin Laden' denies Moussaoui role
24 May, 2006

An audio recording supposedly of Osama Bin Laden denies Zacarias Moussaoui, convicted in the US over the 9/11 attacks, was involved in the operation.
(...)

"I am the one in charge of the 19 brothers and I never assigned brother Zacarias to be with them in that mission," the voice said, in a reference to the 19 hijackers of 11 September 2001.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5010764.stm

CIA Authenticates Bin Laden Tape
24 May, 2006

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has confirmed that it is Osama bin Laden's voice on an audiotape that was released Tuesday on the Internet.

The CIA says it made that determination after a technical analysis of the tape.
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2006-05/2006-05-24-voa26.cfm?CFID=25890648&CFTOKEN=28691446

[readmoreoften]

73. What does a confession prove?

1) PLENTY of groups take credit for violence that others do. With the Oklahoma bombings, the phones were ringing off the hook with people taking credit for the act. People take credit for things that they would love to do but haven't done all the time.

2) Bin Laden is a CIA Asset whose family is very close friends with the Bush family. If it is MIHOP, Bin Laden can and would just be a psyop puppet.

3) We aren't even looking for him anymore. Let me repeat that. Man that supposedly caused 9-11, London Bombings, Madrid Bombings, etc. We don't care. No interest. Just drop it.

[allemand]

75. One of the hijackers confessed on tape that bin Laden himself was involved

in the 9/11 plot.

1)

'Bin Laden's voice' on al-Qaeda video
10 September, 2002



A farewell message of a man it identified as hijacker Abdulaziz Al-Omari - said by the FBI to have been on the first plane to fly into New York's World Trade Center - is also included in the tape.

"This is a message to all the infidels and to America. The message says: 'Leave the Arabian Peninsula defeated and stop supporting the coward Jews in Palestine'," he says, reading from a piece of paper.

"May God reward all those who trained me to tread this path and contributed to this great action. I would like to particularly mention mujahid leader Sheikh Osama Bin Laden, may God preserve him from the plots of the plotters, the envy of the envious ones and the rancour of the rancorous ones."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2247495.stm

2) The Saudi government was funding bin Laden in Afghanistan (in the fight against the Soviets), he also used his own money, I doubt that he had any need of CIA funding and that he was a "CIA asset".

You have to understand that the term "family" means something entirely different in Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden has at least 54 siblings and his father married 22 times (!). So if members of his family were close to the Bush family, that doesn't mean that bin Laden himself had any contact to the Bush family.

3) This is indeed very odd, but we have seen so much incompetence in this administration over the years that this could be just another example of it.

[Qanisqineq]

54. Unsure, but...

if Bush, et al. was behind it -- they had to start planning years in advance. Right? I mean, the hijackers took flying lessons (no take-off, no landing, just fly) in preparation for the hijacking. So, how did Bush know he would be president years in advance? Sure, the election was given away, stolen, whatever... but it was really close. What if he didn't get elected? What if you go back even further and he wasn't even a candidate but McCain was the republican candidate?

IMO, there is just too much planning for years that had to go on, with too many what-ifs. And too many people would have to be in on it, you'd think SOMEONE would let the cat out of the bag. LIHOP -- yeah, I can agree with that one. MIHOP -- there are too many questions for me.

Or am I missing something here?

[ProgressivePatriot]

55. I haven't seen any evidence so far. eom

[Cameron27]

56. I have a question...

If there was a conspiracy behind 911, and bin laden was scapegoated for it, why then, after a short time, were US troops pulled out of Afghanistan and redeployed to Iraq?

Why push for a war with Iraq with bogus evidence of wmd's, yellow cake, and propaganda concerning a terror connection with al qaeda?

There was clearly intent for an Iraq war right from the beginning, so what purpose would be served to scapegoat bin laden?

[readmoreoften]

74. Easy question as far as I'm concerned

Because if not, then the only logical explanation is that the PNAC/BFEE set it up.

I've seen such an overwhelming amount of evidence now, from Scholars for 9-11 truth. I mean engineers at MIT and physics professors at Brigham Young saying that the buildings were demolished. It was scientifically impossible for the building to collapse the way it did without implosion. (47 steel spindles in airtight shafts, disintegrated; evidence the fire was burning cool; the fact that the building fell at free-fall speed, i.e. no resistance) To make it more obvious, the BFEE is threatening the families of some of these professors.

MY question is, why demolish a building if you're going to fly a plane into it? Isn't the plane enough? Many people think the answer lies in whatever was destroyed in the demolition of Building 7, which was demolished on the same day with no structural damage other than fires on two floors. Still just because I don't know what the motive would be, doesn't mean that the crime wasn't committed.

Unless Bin Laden set charges in the building (of which Marvin Bush was head of security. I'll repeat that. Marvin Bush's job was head of security at the WTC on Sept. 11th. As in George Bush's brother) then I don't see how Bin Laden is the mastermind.

So I have to believe that George Bush's family friend drove two planes into buildings that George Bush's brother happened to be in charge of protecting so that George Bush can get the War that he always wanted in the middle east. But George Bush didn't plan it.

George Bush is the luckiest son-of-a-bitch in the world, in that case.

[Cameron27]

77. That really doesn't address the question of why

bin laden was set up as a scapegoat when the intent was to start a war with Iraq.

Please supply a link to the scientific investigation done by the MIT and Brigham Young professors of physics and engineering. Are these investigations and conclusions supported by their perspective universities--does MIT and Brigham Young advance this theory?

[Cameron27]

80. An excellent book written

by researchers at MIT provides significant scientific detail into the collapse of the twin towers and how it was possible for the buildings to collapse after being hit by two planes.


http://web.mit.edu/civenv/wtc/


The Towers Lost and Beyond

A collection of essays on the WTC by researchers at the

Massachusetts Institute of Technology

edited for better link

[chimpymustgo]

58. Nope. But I have seen evidence that the BFEE will do whatever it takes

to achieve its goals. The BFEE will lie, cheat, steal, and MURDER.

[MODemocrat]

59. All the whitewashing and brainwashing has not convinced me

When it first happened, that is within two hours, President Bush was saying it was Al Qaeda, and, that has always seemed too far fetched for me, for him to have known so quickly, who was suspect.. :puffpiece: I absolutely don't buy that scenario.

[Name removed]

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[MrSlayer]

64. Enough? I haven't seen ANY.

I have seen nothing that would convince me he was behind it.

[ebdarcy]

76. Does anyone remember this?

Like many other people, I was glued to CNN for weeks after 9/11. Before bin Laden was completely accepted as the culprit, they interviewed a guy who said it didn't look like bin Laden's handiwork. I came in during the middle of the interview, but I distinctly remember him saying it didn't fit his pattern. Did anyone else see him or remember his name? I'd be interested to see if this man has written any books on the subject or given any more interviews. I'm under the impression that the guy was retired intelligence or military. I wish I had paid more attention, but there was just so much going on.

[fordnut]

78. 911

In my opinion I think Bushco was behind it just look at how much it helped him

[mirandapriestly]

82. This poll shows that the 9-11 issue

should be brought out of the closet on DU. Consider how important 9-11 is to all that has followed, then ask yourself the ramifications of the majority on DU not believing bin laden did it.
BTW, the "tapes" are blatant fakes as well.

[DrDebug]

83. Everything about 9/11 is fake

Polls are called irrelevant.

NOVEMBER 10, 2004. Corporate News Network:

[bobbieinok]

84. as I recall, right after 9-11 govt said it would present the proof that bi

bin Laden was behind it. Then, oops, they NEVER did.

W said 'we'll get him dead or alive' and then he became irrelevant.

Didn't they just disband the CIA unit specifically directed to go after bin Laden?? If W and the gang don't think he's important, why should I/we??????

[BuddyYoung]

85. bin Laden is a longtime CIA asset. Bush/bin Laden families have a long

history of intertwining business interests (one of the bin Ladens invested $50K in small bush's company "Arbusto Energy). They may not communicate directly, but bin Laden helps Bush (CIA analsts say bin Laden helped GW win reelection by making a tape in which he claims to want Kerry to win), and Bush helps bin Laden, who benefits from Bush's "threats" against him by making it easier to get new volunteers into the bin Laden organization.

The U.S. Gov't knows the importance of bin Laden, and that important, special relationship would be ruined if the Bush administration were to try and interfere with bin Laden's work.