I guess we'll be hearing about the "Household Income Survey" tonight

[yellowcanine]

The jobs report of 96,000 jobs - about 54,000 fewer than needed to just "break even", not to mention that we are still "in the hole" since * took office will probably somehow be spun as good news by * tonight - "Just today we see that more jobs are being created, blah, blah, blah." But I suspect * will dust off the old chestnut of "Household Incomes Survey" - which neocons love to cite as somehow being a better measure than the official one we have relied on for the last 50 years or so.

[JuniorPlankton]

1. Don't forget about E-bay!

(Or Poland)

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

2. and kerry will hit that one right out of the park

It seems Herbert * Hoover can't do anything right.

[yellowcanine]

3. Please do not compare * to Herbert Hoover. I knew Herbert Hoover,

Herbert Hoover was a friend of mine. George bush is no Herbert Hoover. Just kidding, but actually Hoover was an accomplished man who could get things done and did much to save Europeans from starving after both WWI and WWII. However he was a lousy politician and did not know how to lead when the economic bubble he inherited burst. The better comparison to Herbert Hoover is actually Jimmy Carter. Both Hoover and Carter went on after defeat to make major contributions to the U.S. and the world.

[July]

5. I think, to distinguish Poppy from Chimp we should call them

George Herbert Walker Bush

and

George Herbert Hoover Bush.

[democratreformed]

4. Yes, he has certainly "turned our economy around" hasn't he? PUKE!

n/t

[papau]

6. GOP's favorite jobs report-Household survey-shows 585000 jobs lost in Sept

Household Jobs show disaster-labor force drops 1 million, job loss of 585K

The GOP's favorite DOL jobs number, the Household survey number, shows bigger Job disaster than shown in the anemic 96,000 jobs gain in the payroll survey jobs number. The Household Survey reports 201,000 lost jobs in September since 139,681,000 were "seasonal adjusted" employed in Aug less 139,480,000 of Seasonal adjusted folks Employed in Sept., and that is a drop of 201,000 jobs. If you prefer numbers that are not seasonally adjusted, then 140,226,000 less 139,641,000, or 585,000 jobs were lost in Sept.

And that Steady 5.4% Unemployment rate is based on folks no longer being in the labor pool and therefore not counted as unemployed. The seasonal adjusted change is from 147,704,000 looking for work or employed in August to 147,483,000 looking for work or employed in Sept, or 221,000 folks dropped out. If you like non-seasonally adjusted numbers, then 148,166,000 less 147,186,000, or a huge 980,000 folks stopped looking for work or being employed in Sept.

NEARLY ONE MILLION FOLKS STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK OR BEING EMPLOYED IN SEPTEMBER!!!!





http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsatabs.htm

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Series Id: LNS12000000Seasonal AdjustedSeries title: (Seas) Employment LevelLabor force status: EmployedType of data: Number in thousandsAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 138566 138301 138298 138576 138772 139031 139660 139681 139480



Series Id: LNU02000000Not Seasonally AdjustedSeries title: (Unadj) Employment LevelLabor force status: EmployedType of data: Number in thousandsAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 136924 137384 137691 138423 138867 139861 140700 140226 139641



Series Id: LNS11000000Seasonal AdjustedSeries title: (Seas) Civilian Labor Force LevelLabor force status: Civilian labor forceType of data: Number in thousandsAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 146863 146471 146650 146741 146974 147279 147856 147704 147483


Series Id: LNU01000000Not Seasonally AdjustedSeries title: (Unadj) Civilian Labor Force LevelLabor force status: Civilian labor forceType of data: Number in thousandsAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 146068 146154 146525 146260 146659 148478 149217 148166 147186


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PAYROLL SURVEY 96,000 NEW JOBS IN SEPTEMBER

Series Id: CES0000000001Seasonally AdjustedSuper Sector: Total nonfarmIndustry: Total nonfarmNAICS Code: N/AData Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 130194 130277 130630 130954 131162 131258 131343 131471(p) 131567(p)

[KayLaw]

7. Only if Kerry brings it up

:)

[rlev1223]

8. Includes "self-employed".....

....many of whom don't want to be and are doing it because they can't find any work. Most start-ups fail, plus the small self-employed
sole proprietership owner pays both employee and employer shares of FICA, the income tax that is the most onerous for middle-class workers,
and thr most regressive.