CONTACT info for CNN: If they continue to "spin" the job numbers --

[DeepModem Mom]

In fact, is it spin, or a blatant case of lying to viewers?

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[JusticeForAll]

1. Help us out...

I just woke up...What are the numbers and what is CNN saying?

[DeepModem Mom]

2. There is a thread in LBN about the number -- link to spin thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1003104

And link to LBN thread (96,000)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=891680&mesg_id=891680

[papau]

3. GOP's favorite jobs report- the household survey- shows 585000 job loss

Household Jobs show disaster-labor force drops 1 million, job loss of 585K

The GOP's favorite DOL jobs number, the Household survey number, shows bigger Job disaster than shown in the anemic 96,000 jobs gain in the payroll survey jobs number. The Household Survey reports 201,000 lost jobs in September since 139,681,000 were "seasonal adjusted" employed in Aug less 139,480,000 of Seasonal adjusted folks Employed in Sept., and that is a drop of 201,000 jobs. If you prefer numbers that are not seasonally adjusted, then 140,226,000 less 139,641,000, or 585,000 jobs were lost in Sept.

And that Steady 5.4% Unemployment rate is based on folks no longer being in the labor pool and therefore not counted as unemployed. The seasonal adjusted change is from 147,704,000 looking for work or employed in August to 147,483,000 looking for work or employed in Sept, or 221,000 folks dropped out. If you like non-seasonally adjusted numbers, then 148,166,000 less 147,186,000, or a huge 980,000 folks stopped looking for work or being employed in Sept.

NEARLY ONE MILLION FOLKS STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK OR BEING EMPLOYED IN SEPTEMBER!!!!





http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsatabs.htm

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Series Id: LNS12000000Seasonal AdjustedSeries title: (Seas) Employment LevelLabor force status: EmployedType of data: Number in thousandsAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 138566 138301 138298 138576 138772 139031 139660 139681 139480



Series Id: LNU02000000Not Seasonally AdjustedSeries title: (Unadj) Employment LevelLabor force status: EmployedType of data: Number in thousandsAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 136924 137384 137691 138423 138867 139861 140700 140226 139641



Series Id: LNS11000000Seasonal AdjustedSeries title: (Seas) Civilian Labor Force LevelLabor force status: Civilian labor forceType of data: Number in thousandsAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 146863 146471 146650 146741 146974 147279 147856 147704 147483


Series Id: LNU01000000Not Seasonally AdjustedSeries title: (Unadj) Civilian Labor Force LevelLabor force status: Civilian labor forceType of data: Number in thousandsAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 146068 146154 146525 146260 146659 148478 149217 148166 147186


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PAYROLL SURVEY 96,000 NEW JOBS IN SEPTEMBER

Series Id: CES0000000001Seasonally AdjustedSuper Sector: Total nonfarmIndustry: Total nonfarmNAICS Code: N/AData Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 130194 130277 130630 130954 131162 131258 131343 131471(p) 131567(p)

[troublemaker]

4. Don't forget CNBC:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1003996

[DeepModem Mom]

5. Thanks, troublemaker!

[popstalin]

6. Another thing not being considered

Don't forget folks who aren't collecting unemployment are not counted (if I recall correctly), so if you're insurance has run out, you are among the faceless/numberless.

[otohara]

7. You Mean Fox II?

that's what they are going for and e-mails won't change anything. we've sent thousands of e-mails.

some consultant group told CNN, in order to get your numbers up, go for the right-wing viewer, ignore the liberals and their stinking e-mail

[KharmaTrain]

8. Turn On C-SPAN 2...The Other Side Of The Coin

There's Jim Talent giving every reason why the economy went to shits under Clinton. Yep...that's gonna be the last stand position. This entire mess is all Clinton.

Of course they won't say his name directly...but this is panic time folks...when they have to play the "Clinton card"...the to keep their hive from self-destructing.

I'm sensing the moderates are ready to bolt if the manchild doesn't stop the bleeding tonight. Not that they'll vote for Kerry, but they sure won't for this regime.

These two debates have drawn some real deep blood...some of us don't realize it yet. Debate one un-masked the selfishness of the manchild and how unfit and inept he is. Debate two exposed the lies and dark side of Darth Crashcart. The media won't say it, but these two gashes are squirting massively right now.

The good thing is these goons are like the Black Knight in Monty Python & The Holy Grail. Tis merely a flesh wound.