October Surprise: SwiftVets secret video of Kerry ?

[secular_warrior]

For a while now there has been right wing chatter about their October surprise being a SwiftVet video. Supposedly this video is graphic/horrifying in nature and will bring down Kerry. Supposedly Rush Limbaugh has seen it.

I don't know what to make of this. Does anyone else know what this is about, and if the Kerry camp knows about it ?

Here is a thread from a right-wing website:

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-chat/1232217/posts

(I found it by doing a search in google for "swift boat october surprise" because I heard rumors about this).

They seem to think it may be a video of Kerry urinating and/or burning an American flag. I just don't think Kerry would have ever done something like that knowing what I know of Kerry. He opposed the war, but he was and still is a tradionalist in many ways, and I strongly doubt he would've done such a thing, even if things like that did go on at protests during that era.

[molly]

1. Kerry is smarter than that and so what?

do they really think that people would change their votes?

[Catherine Vincent]

2. That's probably all what it is ....a RUMOR.

Started by right wingers, no doubt!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Kerry has been in the Senate for a long time.

If he had ever done such a thing it would have surfaced a long time ago -- like back in the 70s when Nixon tried to discredit him the first time. If any such thing does turn up, we can be sure it 's phony.

[molly]

8. You are correct - good thinking!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I Think They Have Him Mixed Up With Kitty Dukakis

That was bogus too....

[Atman]

5. RISING SUN

Michael Crichton's old sci-fi book.

In it he mentions how soon courts will not even allow photo evidence because it can be so easily manipulated. With an $800 Mac and some bootlegged software, any chimp worshipper can make a film of anything he wants.

Photoshopping...it's not just for still pictures anymore.

SPREAD THE DOUBT NOW. Get IN FRONT of this story. WE KNOW IT IS FAKE FOOTAGE...THEY'VE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO CREATE IT. It is simply bogus, as fake as the Kerry/Fonda pics from early in the summer. And besides, we know the Swifty Boat Vets are liars anyway.

[Homerr]

6. Just like Rove spreading rumors about the opposition being a pediphile...

in a previous campaign he ran.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4073291

[KC21304]

7. Don't worry. We have video of Bush

saying the F word to Al Hunt and Judy Woodruff in front of their four year old son.

And also a tape of Bush hitting a garbage can and dragging it down the street with his car in a drunken stupor.

And a tape of him LYING his ass off under oath when asked about his selling of his Harken stock.

And....

[neomonkey]

26. Dont' forget the one on SmokingGun

Showing him at a wedding party in an obviously inebriated state (years after supposedly discovering sobriety).

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

9. No worries, the Kerry team has video of Bush shitting on the constitution

Take that freepers.

[HFishbine]

10. Some advice

Don't listen to the "right wing chatter." Since when has it ever been correct?

[janx]

11. Those Swift Boat guys for Bush have bombed.

Nothing they do now can change that. The whole thing was/is just too desperate.

[geek tragedy]

12. Right wing rumor mill.

Ignore it.

[MsMagnificent]

13. Why would they wait?

They would have issued whatever they 'have' asap just to be able to repeat it a million times and sink it firmly into the American conscious.

Whatever they have cooked up, the timing is key.

If it's a piece of videotape they'd have used it already.
If it's a 'surprise arrest' then it's OBL.
What else could they possibly have?

But it's the arrest of OBL even the Repukes are so jaded now that they'll know it's all been cooked up; although that won't stop their lies & propaganda. They know what they do, and it doesn't bother them one bit.

Such lovely KKKristians!

[secular_warrior]

16. I don't think they have OBL

and even if they did, it would probably hurt Bush if he trotted OBL out just before the election because people have been talking about this for months now.. it would look like he was playing politics with national security and our troops (he is, but that's another story).

[Carolinian]

14. The swiftboaters have run their course. Bring it on.

[OneBlueSky]

15. if such a video existed, you can bet your sweet ass that . . .

it would have been all over the place by now . . . that's not to say that someone couldn't contrive something . . . someone with the right skills could undoubtedly create a video that has Kerry doing just about anything . . . such is the nature of the computerized universe in which we live today . . .

[Jeff in Cincinnati]

20. Like twenty years ago...

Does anybody honestly think that if such a video existed that it wouldn't have surfaced during one of Kerry's four senatorial campaigns? They've got nothing. I swear, folks on this board are getting more jumpy and paranoid every day. Get out and canvass for a while. The fresh air will do you good.

[vickie]

17. Ugh! Reading that freeper filth has absolutely made me sick!

[wicket]

19. Me too

I think I'm going to :puke:

[Bandit]

18. Rumors have been swirling about a video of Kerry pissing on

a US flag then setting it on fire. Bob Dornan said he had seen the video last week. I find this extremely doubtful. Kerry is/was a Patriot who cares deeply for his country. He would Never have done anything of the sort. It is a total Fake if it in fact exists. His whole Senate testimony is evidence of his strong convictions and how deeply he cares. These people are as immoral as anything I have ever witnessed or heard of.

[demwing]

21. B1 Bob saw it? Well, THAT settles it.

Its obviously a f*cking lie.

[Teaser]

22. Bob Dornan says he was there...

not that he saw the videotape. Says he saw K burn a flag at a protest when others did other nasty things...

[PlanetBev]

24. I just can't buy into this one

If such a video existed, it would have come out years ago, and if John Kerry knew there was a tape of him pissing on or burning the flag, I don't think he'd be stupid enough to attempt to run for President.

[Teaser]

29. AGreed.

Dornan probably did see some people burning a flag. Either he's conflating them with JFK or he's lying altogether.

[Dob Bole]

30. John Kerry quote on flag-burning, from the JK rapid response center....

“As I've said before, if I saw someone burning the flag, I'd punch them in the mouth because I love the flag, but the Constitution that I fought for preserves the right of free expression.” – John Kerry

[tomfodw]

23. Supposedly they have video of young Kerry pissing on the flag

This rumor has been out for months.

Personally, I don't believe it. I can't imagine that this would not have surfaced already, since Kerry has been a lighting rod for a certain kind of criticism from a certain kind of wingnut for 30 years.

I hope, just in case, though, the Kerry campaign is ready and waiting for this, as well as for other possible last-minute attacks.

[DemocracyInaction]

25. I think since Rove "Rather"ed the National Guard story, these

media outlets now would be scared shitless of ever touching it. Is it a fake??, etc. Rove has shut off the avenue now to get out suspicious dirt.

[eleanor]

27. Faux New might

I wouldn't put it past them. They have nothing to lose. They already have no credibility.

[zulchzulu]

28. Kerry has Bush LYING to the American people on video

Whether Kerry is pissing on a flag 35 years ago is even legitimate is another matter. And it is completely irrelevant.

[msanthrope]

31. Another new rumor...That Kerry was secretly pardoned by

Jimmy Carter.....

This was a rumor floated on the back pages of freeperdom just a few days ago, and apparently the Swifties are trying to shop it around to the media....who, apparently, ain't buying.

Personally, I think this is all hype to keep the base from actually thinking about Bush. It will also serve as an impetus for when Kerry gets elected, and the Repukes want to keep their base foaming at the mouth about impeachment.

Sad, really, to read all the little freepers when they get their hopes up and write "this will be the rumor that sinks John Kerry! We all need to spread it, and get it to the media!!" Poor, deluded little fucktards.

[Hello_Kitty]

33. Presidential pardons are always big news

They don't happen in secret. What morans.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. Pardoned For What

nt

[Hello_Kitty]

32. I doubt a proper patrician New Englander like Kerry

Would urinate in public under any circumstances. Besides, if they really had something like this they'd have been flogging it from the treetops from the very beginning. If it's an October surprise, it's gotta be fake and they'd just be hoping that enough nitwits would be credulous enough to believe it. And all the nitwits are already in their base so there will be no gain in points for them.

[gulliver]

35. Thanks for posting this crap.

We really need someone to troll through obscure freeper samizdat and drag it in here.

[Moderator]

36. Locking......

This is hearsay. If you have a credible link
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the link.


Thank you


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