**** HIT THESE POLLS AFTER THE DEBATE (Updated 10:30AM ET) ****

[Skinner]

For tonight's presidential debate, we are once again posting a list of websites that have online polls. Please visit these websites and vote on each of these polls. If you find another poll, please post it in this thread so we can add it to the list.

IMPORTANT -- Tonight, we are going to do this a little differently than we did before. We are going to post the polls in the order that they are posted online. This will allow you to return to this thread over and over again and easily tell which polls are new. So, don't just visit the thread once and then leave forever. Instead, you should keep coming back to check for new polls.


THESE POLLS ARE ONLINE!
The polls below are listed in the order they are added. Remember to keep checking back to this thread to see when more polls come online.

9:00PM ET

Ms Magazine: http://www.msmagazine.com/debate2_poll.asp Needs Help!

10:00PM ET

Asheville Citizen-Times: http://www.citizen-times.com (Right column)

El Paso Times http://cgi.elpasotimes.com/cgi-bin/poll/polls.cgi?poll=3

KDBC El Paso: http://www.kdbc.com (left column)

KOLO TV Reno, NV http://www.kolotv.com

MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697 (BIG ONE)

Channel 10 Providence: http://www.turnto10.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

Denver Channel: http://www.thedenverchannel.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

Iowa Channel http://www.theiowachannel.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

Kansas City Channel: http://www.thekansascitychannel.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

KCRA Sacramento: http://www.thekcrachannel.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

KFOX El Paso http://www.kfoxtv.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

KIRO7 Seattle: http://www.kirotv.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

Milwaukee Channel: http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

NBC10 Philadelphia: http://www.nbc10.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

NBC 13 Birmingham http://www.nbc13.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

NBC4 Washington DC: http://www.nbc4.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

NBC5 Cincinnati: http://www.channelcincinnati.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

NBC5 Dallas-Fort Worth: http://www.nbc5i.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

NBC6 South Florida: http://www.nbc6.net "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

New Orleans Channel: http://www.theneworleanschannel.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

NewsNet5 Cleveland: http://www.newsnet5.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

Pittsburgh Channel: http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

WESH2 Orlando: http://www.wesh.com/politics "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

WFTV9 Orlando: http://www.wftv.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

WGAL Harrisburg PA: http://www.thewgalchannel.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

WHIO Dayton http://www.whiotv.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

WRAL Raleigh-Durham: http://www.wral.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

WSOC TV Charlotte http://www.wsoctv.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

WTOV 9 Wheeling WV http://www.wtov9.com "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

10:30PM ET

CBS News: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/08/politics/main648157.shtml (BIG ONE)

FoxNews: http://www.foxnews.com (BIG ONE) Needs Help!

11:00PM ET

CNN: http://www.cnn.com (BIG ONE)

PBS: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2004/debates/ballot2.html (BIG ONE)

Yahoo News: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/ap/20041009/ap_on_el_pr/debate_rdp (BIG ONE)

Boston Globe: http://www.boston.com/news/politics

AOL News: http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/elections/article.adp?id=20041007132609990012 (BIG ONE) Needs Help!

My San Antonio: http://www.mysanantonio.com (Halfway down on left "Cast your vote") Needs Help!

WSB 750 Atlanta: http://wsbradio.com Needs Help!

BBC: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3726486.stm

CNN America Votes: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004 (BIG ONE) This is different from the other CNN poll!

KOTV Tulsa: http://www.kotv.com/main/home/main.asp (IMPORTANT - If you voted in one of their polls before, you'll need to clear the cookie to vote.)

Campaigns and Elections: http://www.campaignline.com/index.cfm (right column)

Austin American Statesman: http://www.statesman.com/news/content/shared/news/politics/election04.html

Tampa Bay Online http://multimedia.tbo.com/multimedia/popup/polls/2004prz2.htm

Polling Point: http://survey.pollingpoint.com/survey/welcome.php?sn=77&cid=113&rid=1132335

Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,0,36%257E29805%257E2453466,00.html Needs help!

Rocky Mountain News http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/poll/0,1299,DRMN_36_54696,00.html Needs help!

The Indy Channel http://www.theindychannel.com/index.html "Survey: Who Won The Debate?"

12:00 MIDNIGHT ET

Newsday: http://www.newsday.com (Look for "e-Poll: Rate the candidates")

Orlando Sentinel: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/elections/orl-bk-debatepolls100804,0,2380215.htmlstory?coll=orl-home-specialbreaking

Rapid City Journal: http://www.rapidcityjournal.com (left column)

Reno Gazette Journal http://www.rgj.com

WFLA 540AM Orlando http://www.540wfla.com/main.html

WKRC Cincinnati: http://www.wkrc.com Needs help!

ABC27 Harrisburg PA http://www.whtm.com

Allentown PA Morning Call: http://www.mcall.com

Hampton Roads: http://www.hamptonroads.com (bottom of page)

KIRO 710: http://710kiro.com

KSDK St. Louis: http://www.ksdk.com/includes/poll.aspx (

KYW Philadephia: http://www.kyw.com

News Central: http://www.newscentral.tv

News 4 Jax: http://www.news4jax.com/index.html

Click 2 Houston http://www.click2houston.com/politics/index.html

12:30AM ET

Atlanta Journal-Constitution: http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/1004/09apdebate.html

Indianapolis Star http://www.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80131 Needs help!

CNN Pundit Scorecard: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/debates/press.pundits Needs help!

1:00AM ET

Lafayette Daily Advertiser: http://www.acadiananow.com

Sioux Falls Argus Leader: http://www.argusleader.com

Sun-Sentinel: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/sfl-debatepolls_100804.story

LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-debate9oct09,1,1793727.story?coll=la-home-headlines

10:00AM ET SATURDAY MORNING!

Charlotte.com http://forums.prospero.com/kr-CltIssues/messages?msg=1324.1 Needs help!

Cumberland Times-News http://www.times-news.com Needs help!

Detroit News: http://info.detnews.com/feedback/lettersindex.cfm

In-Forum Fargo ND http://www.in-forum.com (blue column)

Wilmington DE News Journal: http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal

Houston Chronicle: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2837187

Media Channel http://www.mediachannel.org/debate2004 (must register)



THESE DON'T HAVE POLLS UP (I THINK)
Post in this thread if any of these open up.

ABC News: http://abcnews.go.com

CNBC: http://moneycentral.msn.com/cnbc/tv/default.asp

USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com

Time: http://www.time.com/time

Wall Street Journal: http://online.wsj.com/public/us

Washington Post: http://www.washingtonpost.com

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American Research Group: http://www.americanresearchgroup.com

Chicago Tribune: http://www.chicagotribune.com

Cincinnatti Enquirer: http://www.cincinnati.com

Daytona News-Journal: http://www.news-journalonline.com

Daily Iberian: http://www.iberianet.com

Detroit Free Press: http://www.freep.com

Fort Myers News-Press: http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/frontpage

HBO Bill Maher http://www.hbo.com/billmaher/

Jackson TN Sun http://miva.jacksonsun.com/miva/cgi-bin/miva?OPINION/dialogue.mv (right column)

KARE Minneapolis http://www.kare11.com/elections

KATC3 Lafayette: http://www.katc.com

KDKA Pittsburgh: http://kdka.com

KFSN Fresno: http://abclocal.go.com/kfsn (Look for "Who Do You Think Won The Debate?")

Knox News http://www.knoxnews.com

Minnesota Star Tribune: http://www.startribune.com

NBC25 Hagerstown MD: http://nbc25.com/webpoll.asp

New York Daily News http://www.nydailynews.com (right column)

Philly.com http://www.philly.com/mld/philly

St. Petersburg Times http://www.sptimes.com

Tampa Bay 10 News: http://www.tampabays10.com (right column)

Tampa Tribune http://www.tampatrib.com

WAKA Montgomery AL http://www.waka.com

WFMY Greensboro NC: http://www.wfmy.com/news/poll/default.aspx

WHOTV Des Moines: http://whotv.com (Left side of page)

Winston-Salem Journal: http://www.journalnow.com (Left column)

WKEF Cleveland: http://www.wkef22.com/dayton_oh

WKYC Cleveland: http://www.cleveland.com

WTOL Toledo http://www.wtol.com

WTRF West Virginia: http://www.wtrf.com

WXYZ Detroit: http://www.detnow.com/wxyz

WWL 870AM New Orleans http://www.wwl.com

KMBZ 980 Kansas City http://www.kmbz.com

[The Chronicler]

1. YES

[ElsewheresDaughter]

122. http://www.mysanantonio.com (Halfway down on left ) NEEDS Help

http://www.mysanantonio.com (Halfway down on left "Cast your vote")

[Overseas]

150. YES! NEEDS HELP !!

Jump on it, friends !

[benito]

2. Thanks Skinner

We're going to hit them all weekend and give the Sunday shows something to talk about.

[Claire Beth]

3. gotcha! thanks

[Journeyman]

4. Skinner, can you set up a separate thread for comments?. . .

Otherwise, as this thread grows during the evening, it will become increasingly time-consuming to load or refresh (especially for those with dial up connections). Maybe the link you pin to the top of the page can be sans comments, and another thread (pinned to the top of LBN forum) could be opened for comments and new polls.

Just a thought.

[Vincardog]

6. Skinner what about this poll?

Register for tonight's debate at:


http://www.mediachannel.org/debate2004/register/


The Scorecard is online at:


http://www.mediachannel.org/debate2004/

[nine30]

5. Aye Aye, Captain. (nt)

[tmooses]

7. I've got my pinkies poised, Skinner

n/t

[Pithy Cherub]

8. Mouse finger

primed and ready to click, sir! Back up finger plan to win the poll war ready, too!

[Borgnine]

9. We turned the tide against the media for the two previous debates...

...we're going to do it again.

I hope nobody here is getting complacent. We know Kerry will kick Chimpy McCokeSpoon's ass from here to Freeperville, but the only way that perception will remain alive until Monday is if we fight the good fight all weekend long.

[aquart]

120. The Freeps know what we're doing and where. So how come

they can't muster the support for their man?

Is it possible it just isn't there?

[obiwan]

171. That requires 3 things that Freepers lack...

1. Intelligence
2. Imagination
3. Motivation

[lynne k]

216. 4 things:

4. Numbers!

[spatial]

10. Previous link!

I sent out a long email earlier today with the link below to all the national and global polls. In the last three hours it's disappeared. Could you reinstate it, otherwise all the people I asked to poll will get dead links. Not good!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=984782&mesg_id=984782

[Skinner]

16. Sorry about that. I deleted it.

I didn't realize people were going to link to it. I figured it wouldn't help us if the list was up for the freeps to steal.

[0007]

11. The freepers are claiming that we're putting up poll numbers

before the debate is even over.

I think that they're very confused. There were pre-debate polls that ask who you thought would win.

I indeed like the way your doing this Skinner and it is on the level all the way.

[Maeve]

12. Darlin', the freeps are terminally confused

Had to be said. :P

[0007]

14. Holy Moly I didn't know that! 'Ya mean they ain't creditable?

[elperromagico]

38. We're just getting out the vote.

What's undemocratic about that? :D

[Vox_Reason]

13. After they were spanked Tuesday, expect the fascists to be out in force

Stealing our poll lists, running bots to stuff online ballots, etc.

You'd think freeper fascists would have a big advantage--DU'ers are far fewer in number than the brownshirts--300,000+ freeper fascists to our less than 100k. Their willingness to use underhanded automated ballot-stuffing bots, typical "dump cache and vote again" freeper strategies, etc. would seem to make it hardly a level playing field.

Regardless of these challenges, the online polls were overwhelmingly in our favor Tuesday night. Will they continue to deny that online opinion is resolutely against freeperville? Will they admit that fascism is being rejected by rational adults who will be voting in November?

Watch the debate tonight, and do your duty in the online polls afterwards. The fascists will be doing all they can to salvage the campaign of their hopelessly overmatched puppet-boy.

We saw the real leader of the free world Tuesday night--and the people rose up and indicated that he wore no clothes. Let's slam the lid shut tonight and create the undeniable buzz that the tide has irrevocably turned away from fascism and toward freedom.

[Joanne98]

17. They steal our porto-potties too.......

[Neiladri]

23. Kossacks stand with you!

There may be more Freepers than DUfolk, but I don't know how it adds up when you include the DailyKos people. Many of us are going to be using this site for direction after the debates are done.

[Barad Simith]

176. Welcome to DU! (nt)

[Chichiri]

15. Also post these email addresses for DUers to contact the media

This is from this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1005855
the addresses were harvested straight off of the America-haters' forum, so you know they'll be hitting those after the debate.

Fox News

Special Report Brit Hume [e-mail]

Fox Report [e-mail]

Oreilly [e-mail]

Hannity & Colmes [e-mail] [e-mail]

On the Record [e-mail]

Studio B [e-mail]

Fox and Friends [e-mail]

Dayside [e-mail]

Your World [e-mail]

Big Story [e-mail]

Fox News Weekend [e-mail]

Beltway boys [e-mail]

MSNBC

Hardball [e-mail]

Scarborough [e-mail]

Countdown [e-mail]

[e-mail]

CBS [e-mail]

Early show [e-mail]

NBC

Evening news [e-mail]

Today [e-mail]

Meet The Press [e-mail]

ABC No e-mail address must use link and fill form http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/wnt/WorldNewsTonight...

Good Morning America http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/GoodMorningAmeri...

Nightline http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/nightline/Nightline/...

CNN use link and fill in form CNN AMerica votes 2004 http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form1.html?21

2nd debate http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form1.html?23

Inside Politics http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?6

Paula Zahn http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?11

Newsnight http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?13

CNN Saturday Morning http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?16

Wolf Blitzer http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?8

Headline News http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form1.html?40

CNN radio http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form1.html?29

Wash Post [e-mail]

USA Today [e-mail]

AP [e-mail]

New York Times [e-mail]

[kokomo]

24. Freepers feel the liberal media alters the polls, so may not bother.

Kind of like Jeb and Kathyrn in 2000? :mad:

This is a great link in order to link to every state. DUers from each state should go through and find where the polls are and post only those links.

http://newslink.org/

[SoCalDem]

165. St Louis Post Dispatch.. Kerry 79%

http://www.stltoday.com/

[SoCalDem]

166. They have a forum too.. funny as hell

http://forums.stltoday.com/viewforum.php?f=6

[Skinner]

185. I couldn't find the poll on St.Louis Post Dispatch.

:shrug:

[SoCalDem]

203. Wow.. they changed it already.. It's now about Iraq..

Maybe they did not like the results..:shrug:.. The Iraq poll is 79% "Iraq did NOT make us safer"..

Maybe they'll take that one down too :)

[Generic Other]

18. I liked taking the pulse of local communities for myself. THANKS Skinner!

I read lots of headlines as I went from poll to poll. What an interesting way to visit America!

[BamaLefty]

19. Screw Shawn Hannity!

That DU hating fuck-tard! He was really bashing us the other day and labeled us "liberal activists." Damn right we are liberal activists, and proud of it!!!

:kick:

[Dark Jedi]

34. Republican Attack Dog

Ah he's just angry that there are people out there who do not agree with him. It is anxiety masked in verbal outbursts. They know DoomsDay is coming :)

[eridani]

20. One from Ms Magazine

Who won over women voters? Visit http://www.msmagazine.com/debate2_poll.asp to register your opinion. Previous results--

Presidential Debate:
Kerry: 12,701
Bush: 4,099
Vice Presidential Debate:
Edwards: 5,319
Cheney: 405

[ciaobox]

22. Ms. is working now.

Why not DU that one now and cross it off the list?

[ogradda]

21. will do!

:)

[factcheck]

27. Not sure

if this will do any good. I understand that everything is rigged for tonight. That is the 'rumor'. The test was done on this poll:

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/Promos/P96607.asp?ShowResults=1

And it was taken from a 69-31 Kerry lead to where it is at now in SUPPOSEDLY 10 minutes!

:(

[w4rma]

25. Which candidate can gain most in the debate from today’s jobs report? (up)

http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/CNBCTV/Promos/P96607.asp

[proud patriot]

26. Here are links to descriptive words to use in letters

words that describe bush
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2466943&mesg_id=2466943

words that describe Kerry
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2467190&mesg_id=2467190

[kokomo]

28. Two outlets near Bush's hunting lodge.

http://www.kristv.com/

http://www.caller.com/

In the Cheney/Edwards debate, South Texas with its 3 Navy bases (one where Poppy Bush earned his Navy pilot wings), an Army Depot, and everyone else working in the couple of dozen oil refineries there went 73.3 % for Edwards, 25.3 % for Cheney, and 1.1% tied. South Texas is over 70% Hispanic, Catholic, and Democratic.

[RetroLounge]

29. Anyone have that list of Emails to copy and paste?

It was most handy last time.

RL

[LibertyorDeath]

30. Ready

:toast:

[wavewatchers]

31. We're smarter, we read, we blog

Ready to rock the spin our way.

[Dark Jedi]

32. Manipulated Polls

The rightwing jerks have deliberately flooded the Ms. Magazine poll and skewered the result into a favorable percentage for their idol Bush (54% currently).

[hinachan]

33. This new method sucks! :(

For those of us on dial-up, it's just way too hard to open a gazillion individual posts while trying to load each news page that has a poll. I guess I'll just have to soil my modem by going to the Freepers' board where I can find all the clickable links on one page, or else I'll never be able to participate in as many polls as before. This is really a disappointment for me, b/c it was great being able to have DU open in one window -- WITHOUT having to either reload or open other posts in the thread -- and web sites with polls opening in other windows.

Well, if I have to use the Freepers' site to un-Freep the polls, then so be it, because it's crucial for us not to let them make people think this poorly-trained chimp ever has or ever could outdo Kerry in a debate.

[Skinner]

37. Please, don't hold back.

Tell us how you really feel.

[goddess40]

180. http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/ need to open twice

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/

When I first opened this one there was an ad covering the poll - I shut the window and went back in and the ad was gone.

This poll is close to 50/50

Kerry won because bush lied - not to mention the Kerry just did a whole lot better.

Bush did do better than the first debate, but not well enough to win

[pop goes the weasel]

198. change browsers

I am on dial-up, and use the ad-supported version of Opera. It works great, easy to bring up multiple pages, and the ads are so unobtrusive I forget they are there.

[lasttrip]

35. houston also need much help

[meganmonkey]

36. HIT HOUSTON!!!!!

It really needs help.

[bobbieinok]

39. can't find poll at link in original message

[kokomo]

139. Houston link fixed, go to

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2837187

[Princess Turandot]

40. where is the poll? I cannot find it on that page.

[qnr]

41. KOLO TV Reno, NV http://www.kolotv.com/

ABC 8 http://www.kolotv.com/

[George 2]

42. http://www.freerepublic.com/^http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/

open

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. AOL poll needs HELP!!!! 50/50%

[Steelangel]

44. AOL News: Open 50% - 50% (Help!)

[BamaLefty]

46. http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/elections/article.adp?id=20041007132609990012

Who is winning the debate?

George Bush 50%

John Kerry 50%

Total Votes: 24,317

[Steelangel]

45. Couldn't find the poll at Houston

Can anyone point it out where to find?

[LynneSin]

47. Yes that MS poll needs help - only 68% for Kerry

:D

[donco6]

48. CBS is UP eom

[Forge]

50. Funny that they have it as President Bush vs. John Kerry.

[flyingfysh]

49. Kerry 91.54% at cbsnews.com!!!!

[Psst_Im_Not_Here]

51. FOX UP

Needs A LOT of help

[Steelangel]

52. I think AOL news just reseted the poll.. everyone, make a vote again

[xg0blin]

53. CNN isn't counting my damned vote

WTF

[NV Whino]

103. Nor mine!!!

Nor is FOX. I tried two different browsers. Surely they would recognize Explorer if not Safari.
:grr:

[Andromeda]

54. Kerry is already at 92%

at the Asheville Citizen-Times!

[trogdor]

55. The ABC affiliates are all linking to the same poll.

Check it out for yourself, but don't waste time.

[markus]

144. Not just ABC: Something called the IBS Network

Look at the entire page layout and design. They're the same. They're obvious all being hosted by the same company.

Ex. theneworleanschannel.com, which is an NBC affiliate, is the same as an ABC affiliate I visited.

[Senjutsu]

56. CNN UP, FAUX NEEDS HELP eom

[fishwax]

57. Thanks! Done n/t

[realFedUp]

58. CNN is on

[Cadfael]

59. CNN's up

[NMDemDist2]

60. tweety poll up

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697/#survey

[Iris]

61. PBS, CNN, Fox - all open

[wryter2000]

62. CBS news open

I just voted for Bush by mistake. Folks go over and correct my blunder!

[Francesca]

63. poll from NH news channel

www.thewmurchannel.com has their poll up on the home page.

[ladybugg33]

64. FOX poll is up. Kerry 70% Bush 30%

The networks are trying to hide their polls.

[NastyRiffraff]

65. CNN up...but showing zero results

Keep trying, maybe they'll fix it. http://www.cnn.com/

[Mojambo]

70. 83-16 Kerry 31,000 votes n/t

[librechik]

128. now 80% Kerry; 176,000 votes for Kerry!

[NV1962]

66. Please add this triple poll on KRNV (NV)

http://www.krnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2407799

After voting, from there, click onto next one - three in total.

[texastoast]

67. Fox is up n/t

[stubertmcfly]

68. yahoo up

here:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/ap/20041009/ap_on_el_pr/debate_rdp

[InhaleToTheChief]

69. Shouldn't we bomb the freeper poll?

They have one up...

[BlackVelvetElvis]

71. Boston Globe has their poll up.

[AngryOldDem]

72. Where is the poll at USA Today?

[doc03]

73. I have tried voting on the AOL poll three times and I get an error

message and it shuts down my browser.

[Gman]

74. My San Antonio.com is up

www.mysanantonio.com

[kokomo]

145. San Antonio 2:1 Bush over Kerry, needs help 67%:32%

Hidden near bottom of left column. San Antonio is a big military city with 4 Air Force bases, one U.S. Army base.

[Crunchy Frog]

75. I can't find the MSNBC poll.

I found the Tweety one, just not the regular one on the link provided.

[medeak]

76. anyone get virus on Dallas site?

I did..was notified serious violation and identity known (norton antivirus)

[acmavm]

87. Maybe that's what happened to my computer the other night after the

Edwards/Cheney debate. My computer system gave me a message when I was shutting down that it was setting the new configurations and then I got scared and tried to bring it back up. It wouldn't even read my boot disk. I was up until 2:00 a.m. fixing this damn thing.

[medeak]

97. me too ... all 3 debates

[realFedUp]

77. Green light WSB...it's being freeped.

[Silver Gaia]

78. CNN has totals up now!

:D

83% Kerry

16% Bush

the rest say even

[LeftyMom]

79. cnn

the cnn poll is working now
Who won the second presidential debate?

President Bush 16% 14147 votes

John Kerry 83% 73818 votes

Evenly matched 2% 1363 votes
Total: 89328 votes

[stubertmcfly]

80. bbc opinion survey up

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3726486.stm

[George 2]

81. http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&e=1&u=/ap/20041009/ap_on_el_pr

[kokomo]

82. Bush winning in Corpus Christi, TX vote Kerry

"http://www.caller.com/ccct/national_world_news/article/0,1641,CCCT_812_3241016,00.html"

[Maiden England]

tampa bay online poll is up

[kimpossible]

83. Campaignonline poll is live n/t

[Chiyo-chichi]

84. Tulsa

Don't forget our good friends at KOTV, Tulsa:

http://www.kotv.com/main/home/main.asp

[0007]

108. Sorry! someone already voted for me. junior is ahead is this poll

[Zuni]

85. I have got most of them

John Kerry is winning hands down on almost all of them

[mermaid]

86. Austin American Statesman Opened Up

has Kerry 85% a winner, to Bush's 15%....

[Poiuyt]

88. Polling Point survey

http://survey.pollingpoint.com/survey/welcome.php?sn=77&cid=113&rid=1132335

This one takes a few minutes

[stubertmcfly]

89. denver post poll

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,0,36%257E29805%257E2453466,00.html

[mermaid]

90. Allentown Morning Call Also Open Now

Has Kerry at 94% to Bush's 6%
I voted here, too, since I used to live in PA...in allentown, and so I feel okay voting in this one...

[stubertmcfly]

91. rocky mountain news up

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/poll/0,1299,DRMN_36_54696,00.html

[evworldeditor]

92. Am I dreaming?

I've gone to about a half dozen of the big polls and Kerry is blowing Bush away. Is that because DemUndergrounders are better organized than Freepers in skewing the poles are is there something real going? I hope its the later... that America isn't buying the BS any more.

Also check out the job performance grades for Bush on the Wall Street Journal web site. It's downright astounding... after more than 13,000 votes, he gets an F.

http://discussions.wsj.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=wsjvoices&tid=3304&vote=5&submit=Vote

[mermaid]

104. I Was Thinking The Same Thing!!

Shit, even fuckin' FOX News shows Kerry winning!!
I mean, holy shit...everywhere I look, Kerry beat Bush like a drum...like a frickin' red-headed stepchild...DAMN, this is awesome, I am LOVING EVERY MINUTE of watching that asshole go down in flames!!

[Lafe]

93. Check out the PBS poll

The majority of voters are rating Bush deficent in everything.

Are any DUer's from Tennessee going to be at Gaylord tomorrow night? I would like to meet some of the other people from this group.

[Diana52]

116. Gaylord?

What's happening in Gaylord?

[Barad Simith]

94. CBS LINK HAS CHANGED -- here's the new link...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/08/politics/main648157.shtml

[Vadem]

162. CBS poll still not showing results on my browser..........n/t

[Chiyo-chichi]

95. indianapolis

http://www.theindychannel.com/index.html

[Solar]

96. KYW Philadephia is UP n/t

[American liberal]

98. I've only made it to MSNBC and Kerry

is the heavy favorite! Way to go DUers!

And thanks for setting this up, Skinner.

Peace,
AL

[realFedUp]

99. KSDK poll there

greenlight

[XanaDUer]

100. DONE!

Now I'm working on contacting the media.

[Barad Simith]

101. PBS LINK CHANGED -- here's the new one...

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2004/debates/ballot2.html

[theHandpuppet]

102. We need Columbus, Ohio! Anyone?

Gotta have Columbus, folks! Anyone have a link or links?

[donco6]

105. Denver Post needs help!

Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,0,36%257E29805%257E...

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/poll/0,1299,DRMN_36_54696,00.html

on edit, corrected link to RMN./

[Gman]

106. There are TWO polls at Indychannel.com

1) the usual mass pooled poll at Survey: Who won the debate and

2) a separate, off to the right and lower poll in a box titled RTV6 Talkback. This one only has like 100 votes cast in it.

[Chiyo-chichi]

130. good catch.

[USA_1]

107. Kerry wins again!

Correction: America wins again!!!


A KERRY VICTORY IS A WIN FOR AMERICA!

[kokomo]

109. Houston Chronicle link wrong, here's the correction

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2837187

Kerry is ahead 62% to 37% in Bush's HOMETOWN

[mistertrickster]

121. Not anymore--Bush pulling ahead with 3000 votes total.

Hit this one, folks.

[illuminaughty]

174. 2 am Kerry now ahead 80%

Kerry is landslides ahead in most of these polls.

Have just sent e-mail to all Fox links saying I have always been a Bush supporter but have changed my mind after watching the debates. Bush seems angry and confused. Can't keep control of his words or his temper....and that I'll be voting for Kerry on Nov. 2nd.

Wow. I'm starting to think like this administration. Lying and deceiving is FUN. It makes me giddy imagining those fuck nuts at Fox thinking their base is shredding.

[Overseas]

110. THANKS FOR MAKING ACTION EASY

I also sent too many e-mails for my ISP's hourly limit, so came back to do more polls. Then in 20 minutes I can return to sending more e-mail to confirm my main impression that
KERRY WAS FORCEFUL, CLEAR AND INTELLIGENT with specific ideas. He did what he needed to do-- he showed us that he has the intelligence and strength to become Commander in Chief and clean up the major messes the Bush Administration has created both here at home and abroad. BUSH'S ARROGANT AGGRESSIVE TONE made him seem very desperate to maintain his Rosy Scenario and avoid the truth of the mess he has created. He was definitely on the defensive. His lies were quite apparent.

>>>>>>>>>
But I'm sad to see the TV chat folk-- as long as Bush didn't um and awe and fall on his face, they say he did a good job. That his desperate insistence on discredited policies seemed attractive ?!?!!!

[XanaDUer]

111. ANOTHER POLL

http://www.news4jax.com/index.html

This is in a repuke-heavy area.

Help!

76% - Kerry

24% - Bush

[sugar magnolia]

112. Click 2 Houston up n/t

[budkin]

113. You rule Skinner!

Thank you for doing this for all of us!!!

[Gman]

114. click2houston.com is up

[NightTrain]

115. Several of these polls have already been replaced by lamer questions...

...like "Will you play Powerball this Saturday?" and "Will you watch the third presidential debate?" Guess Kerry was too far ahead for comfort!

[sugarcookie]

117. Houston, Texas

Apologies if already posted.. Looks good so far.

Local NBC

President George W. Bush 10869 24%
Sen. John Kerry 34701 76%
They tied 265 1%

http://www.click2houston.com/politics/index.html Who won the debate?

[Kierkegaard]

118. 101%?

[lefty_WOHM]

147. Rounding error

[mbperrin]

119. Thanks! This is a great idea! (My pinkie is sore!)

Hangin' around for more!

[harpo]

123. San Antonio needs some help...

http://www.mysanantonio.com/

[realcountrymusic]

124. My San Antonio NEEDS HELP

One of the few to have Shrub ahead, and only by a couple of points

Come on all you former Texans (like me!)

My San Antonio: http://www.mysanantonio.com (Halfway down on left "Cast your vote")

[Steelangel]

125. We need to keep our eyes on MSNBC

Bush's poll is catching up but slowly. Don't let them beat us!

[realcountrymusic]

126. Oklahoma KOTV NEEDS BIG HELP

Let's ope a can of whupass on those goddamn Sooner Bushies.

KOTV Tulsa: http://www.kotv.com/main/home/main.asp (IMPORTANT - If you voted in one of their polls before, you'll need to clear the cookie to vote.

Tulsa is a cow pasture pretending to be a city.

RCM

[lefty_WOHM]

146. I cleaned my cookies, but it still just gives me the results

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

153. What I did to make KOTV and Denver Post polls work

Both of these polls showed up already voted on even though I had no cookies from either site and had not visited the Post since the last debate.

Is it possible they can reject visitors who have linked from DU? Or they can mark you as having voted if you have the same IP address as from a vote on an earlier poll?

Here's what I did: I made sure my cookies were cleared and shut down my computer. I also shut down my broadband modem to reset my IP. When I booted up again I went into my browser's history and accessed the sites from there, not DU. The polls came up and I was able to vote.

Probably not coincidentally, these polls are among the very few I can find that skew for Bush.

[sui generis]

127. I love Skinner!

You are the man -

Voted on all the green boxes. Thank you thank you thank you Skinner for pointing the way.
:headbang:

[realcountrymusic]

129. HE DA MAN! (Assuming Skinner is a he!)

BTW, send a link to the top post in this thread to every democrat friend and family member. Ask them to hit a few of the big polls at least. Tell them to do it twice if they have three browsers, or if they know how to clear cookies, etc. A lot of people out there are mad and wondering what they can do. Tell them YOU CONTROL THE SPIN!

RCM

[librechik]

131. Rocky Mountain News 95% Kerry!

2200 votes Kerry, 107 Bush!

In Colorado!

[bush equals idiot]

156. The independents are flipping for Kerry like crazy.

[fob]

132. Beware the WKRC poll, it has this disclaimer on it. Any local DUers

need to call too!




Thanks for your vote, See these results combined with phone results on LOCAL 12.



WKRC Cincinnati: http://www.wkrc.com Needs help!

[AgadorSparticus]

133. done.

:kick:

[diatribe]

134. They are trying to skew the polls in our favor

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1239686/posts

They are trying to skew the polls in our favor to make all of those who are voting for Kerry look stupid.

[Warren DeMontague]

141. Someone should tell them it will work even better for them on election day

C'mon, Freeptards! Vote for Kerry when you get in that booth... It'll confuse the hell out of us!

[Kierkegaard]

148. Stupid. Like no one will ever see the threads planning their

sabotage. Are they really that disconnected from reality? I see a trend here. They are willing to vote for someone who is preying on them like a vulture and want to vote for his competition in online polling to show that we are unethical? Wow. Upside down logic.

[ciaobox]

189. I love this - check out their idiotic discussion:

The freepers have decided to vote for KERRY in all the online polls in hopes of tipping off the news media that something isn't right. The flaw in this logic -- as we've learned -- is that the TV news media is filled with lazy robots who will simply report the numbers without question. It will take them weeks to turn the discussion into "who is actually voting in these polls". The neocon freepers are so used to the media towing their line that they fail to realize how truly lazy the media is. Keep on DUing these polls.

"C'mon Freepers, we can get that up to 90% for sKerry and really let them know how idiotic these polls really are.

LOL! I'm gonna pump votes for Kerry into these polls! Whadda joke.

We can't beat the dems at this online poll business. They have perfected the art of voting more than once. I'm still trying to figure out how they get the dead to vote online. We need to check the cemeteries in Chicago, St. Louis and Philadelphia to see if they are Wi-Fi enabled.

!!!!!!!!
"The only thing that worries me about these silly, lop-sided polls is that the Democrats are organized to win the polls, no matter who wins the debate. I hope they aren't as organized on election day."

Hell, let's help them with these.
If the DUmbasses are jacking the polls, don't fight an uphill battle.
Help them look even more ridiculous.

Dubya didn't do nearly as well as I thought he needed to tonight, but I thought it was at worst-- and at best -- a draw.

Something is waaaaaay wrong with this poll.

Fox News online has Kerry 67%, Bush 32%. Looks like 70/30 is the DU spread. Online pols are not scientific or accurate in any way. But the idiots who watch MSNBC and the rest obviously don't know this.

think that the expression "FREEP THIS POLL" should now mean that we ignore it. We have more important things to do than play online poll tag -- such as running biased and dishonest anti-journalists and propagandists like Halperin and Rather out of their jobs!!

[CitySky]

135. Houston Chronicle

is up

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2837187

[markus]

136. Has Fox taken down its poll?

I noticed coming back here that the Fox URL was blue again. Weird. I remember voting on that one, and we were winning.

And now its gone.

Suprise, surprise, surprise.

[Adamocrat]

137. AJC (Atlanta Journal-Constitution) Is Up

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/1004/09apdebate.html

[Chiyo-chichi]

138. Indianapolis Star

Needs help!

http://www.indystar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80131

[Chiyo-chichi]

163. nice to see that turnaround.

great work, all.

[DemBones DemBones]

140. I'm working the polls --

and impressed that the WSB (Atlanta) poll is now

President George Bush 14%

Senator John Kerry 86%


WSB runs Sean Hannity's show and Atlanta right-wing-nut Neal Boortz's show!!!

WAHOO!!!

[The Sushi Bandit]

142. Kotv in Tulsa has Bush winning the debate!

They ase the only one I saw with this result (voting is closed)

· George W. Bush
64.79%

· John Kerry
35.21%


WTOL Toledo http://www.wtol.com

[Chiyo-chichi]

161. Lost cause.

Voting is still open in that Tulsa poll, BUT it is being freeped big time. This has been the case after each debate.

Their site is tempramental, too. If you click on the link, you might see results instead of being able to vote. Click on "more sports" or "about us" or just about anywhere and the poll should come up.

But even if we manage to unfreep it, it'll jump several points back to Bush within a minute.

[Generic Other]

191. I think they switched the candidates names around

Same percentages, different men. FISHY

[Ima]

211. Help !

59% Bush
41% Kerry

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036697

[The Sushi Bandit]

143. MSNBC voting is CLOSED

Kerry wins!

[Nicholas_J]

149. Kerry is actually winning this one in all of the major media outlets

By as much or more than he won the first debate by.

I think the impact is not as great in the media because Bush losing a debate to Kerry by this much is no longer big news. THe first debate had a much greater media impact, but in fact, Kerry won this by a large margin.

CNN has Kerry winning at 80 percent, MSNBC has him winning at 70 percent, CBS has Kerry at 88 percent.

ABC has an unusual result, with 44 percent saying Kerry won, and 41 oercent saying Bush, but this poll was not done by ABC, but by something called TNS.

Where I live, the local TV has Kerry winning with 76 percent. THis is significant because Republicans outnumber Democrats by 2 to 1 in this
county.

The Bush people are all talking about how wonderfully ush did, in fact, speaking as if Bush won, though the perception of the public is very clear. Bush lost as big a loss as the first debate. at least accoring to instant polls.

It will take another 48 to 72 hours before we seen if there are any efects in the polls reflecting voting preference, but if even half of the bounce occurs, this will clearly put Kerry in the lead in the presidential polls.

Zogby indicates that he believes that this debate will have a major effect on the polls. In particular,on remaining undecided voters.


The latest Zogby News before the debate states that Xogby beleives:

Election 2004 Reuters/Zogby Daily Tracking Poll: Presidential Race Narrows to Less Than One Percent – Bush 46%, Kerry 45%; Candidates Statistically Tied in Race for the White House; Debate May Cause Tie-Break, New Reuters/Zogby Poll Reveals:

Pollster John Zogby: "Yesterday a major national newspaper ran a column suggesting that the debates are not important. Just look at these numbers and it is hard to draw that conclusion. In today’s figures Kerry is reaching 80% support among democrats, though he will still need more support. The president polls 89% of republicans but independents are almost evenly split (with Kerry barely leading, 44%-41%).


http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=878

Zogby's numbers in polls are something that I have always had some issues with, but his interpreatations have always been pretty spot on.

It was Zogby who was the only pollster to predicct that Gore would win the popular vote in 2000, but lose the electoral college.

Recently Zogby has prediected that Kerry will win the electoral college.

A number of independent pollsters have agreed with Zogby's position on this, though the media polls have not done so. ONlyt recently have media polls had Bush falling below the 270 EV needed to win the electoral college.

Hopefully. ZOgby still has his magic. He uses methodlogy that attempts to weed out voters who claim to be independent or misrepresent their party affiliation that other pollsters claim is not necessary, but which Zogby claims allows him to be more accurate.

Anyway, he has spoke his piece, and I hope it is correct. Kerry has gained another slam dunk tonight, regardless of how republican pundits are trying to call it, and putting on brave faces.

Or perhaps they are just as out of touch with reality as the leader of their party is. And that means out of touch with the American people.

[alfredo]

151. BBC has comments you can send

but as yet no poll (12:35 AM EST)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/talking_point/3726486.stm

[Overseas]

152. CNN PUNDIT SCORECARD NEEDS HELP

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/special/president/deba...

Click over on the list above. Average scores are A+ for both debate participants !!

[goddess40]

181. It has been removed

The numbers must have started to swing toward Kerry

[zapp]

154. THESE POLLS NEED HELP BADLY!!!!!!

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0%2C1413%2C36%25257E29805%25257E2453466%2C00.html

http://www.mysanantonio.com/

WORK ON IT FOLKS.....

[kokomo]

168. And Edwards won San Antone by 69%

Looks like SA got Freeped this time. However, when you consider that there are 5 military bases there. However, the city has a Mexican-American majority which usually goes Democratic.

[Paradise]

155. DONE, all that were open!

Exhausted! :) Will continue in the A.M.

"KUDOS TO KERRY!"

[Oddman]

157. done, done, done and

DONE!

[txindy]

158. Done for now

It's hard work! :toast: Will resume tomorrow.

[George 2]

159. http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-debate9oct09,1,1793727.sto

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/2004/la-na-debate9oct09,1,1793727.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[Vadem]

160. Wow! Look at Orlando Sentinel..........

Which candidate made the best case for his domestic agenda?
3.2%
Bush (2301 responses)

96.8%
Kerry (69944 responses)

72245 total responses
Results are not scientific

Which candidate was most successful in projecting the image of being a strong leader?
3.3%
Bush (2397 responses)

96.7%
Kerry (69544 responses)

71941 total responses
Results are not scientific

Which candidate was just plain more likable?
4.0%
Bush (2890 responses)

96.0%
Kerry (68586 responses)

71476 total responses
Results are not scientific

Which candidate benefited the most from this debate?
4.6%
Bush (3258 responses)

95.4%
Kerry (68277 responses)

71535 total responses
Results are not scientific

[Kierkegaard]

164. Good work everyone!

Been a long night, but an historic one!

G'night all...

[NVMojo]

167. From Nevada Dems!

KVBC-TV, Las Vegas: www.kvbc.com
KLAS-TV, Las Vegas: www.klastv.com
KVVU-TV, Las Vegas: www.kvvu.com
KTNV-TV, Las Vegas: www.ktnv.com
KOLO-TV, Reno: www.kolotv.com
KRNV-TV, Reno: www.krnv.com
KTVN-TV, Reno: www.ktvn.com
Las Vegas Review Journal: www.lvrj.com
Las Vegas Sun: www.lasvegassun.com
Reno Gazette Journal: www.rgj.com
CNN: http://www.cnn.com/
MSNBC: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
Wall Street Journal: http://www.wsj.com/
LA Times: http://www.latimes.com/

[lpbk2713]

169. If these polls are any indication..........

Shit-for-Brains will be handed the most embarrassing defeat in history. I voted on several and the results that I noticed were all in Kerry's favor. Most were like 80/20 and better. And I don't think that was just the result of DUers voting either. I hope the vote against Bush in November works against all other repubs as well. I would dearly love to have my country back.

[harpo]

170. foxnews results 1:52am est - Bush 49/Kerry 50

Who won Friday night's presidential debate?

a. President Bush (49%)
147,222


b. Senator Kerry (50%)
152,664


c. I did not watch (1%)
1,595


d. None of the above (0%)
804


302,285 total votes

[Name removed]

172. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[harpo]

173. what planet are you on?

I didn't see anything that helped chimp in this debate. The angry man will play well...just ask Dean ;) Payback is hell...

[FizzFuzz]

175. Thank you Skinner !! I hit a bunch. whew, that was....

well you know what kind of work it was...


This is one helluv an exhaustive list. Cool!

[npincus]

177. AP poll link

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041009/ap_on_el_pr/debate_analysis

[Barad Simith]

178. edit -- never mind, it's already on the list (nt)

[Indiana_Dem]

179. There are 2 surveys on the "turnto10" website

and Kerry is losing in the one live vote lower on the website....go back and look at it.

[Tesibria]

182. New Poll - Needs Help - Bush is winning!

http://www.times-news.com/

This is a paper serving the most conservative western portion of Maryland, West Virginia and Pennsylvania. (My hometown - can't bear to let Bush win there!!)

[B Calm]

183. FOX News Poll: Bush 53% Kerrry 46%

[Paradise]

184. DONE, the polls that were not open last night! n/t

[WoodrowFan]

186. new polls

these sites have active polls now.

Charlotte.com http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte /

Detroit News: http://info.detnews.com/feedback/lettersindex.cfm

Houston Chronicle: http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/2837187

In-Forum Fargo ND http://www.in-forum.com

[Paradise]

187. done! thanks, but i'm getting :) a condition :)

when is the next debate, i've got to soak my hand ;)

[ciaobox]

188. CNN Just Broadcast Poll Results

It is working. About 30 minutes ago, CNN announced the poll results and showed a picture of the homepage (kerry 64% at the time). Of course, they made no comment to the one-sidedness and broadcast it following David Gergan calling it a 'draw'.

Point is, we are affecting media directly. Woohoo!

[wiley]

190. Go Vote Now - Saturday Noon

There are dozens of new polls that are still open or that just opened. Try to post a comment wherever you can as well. Some of the articles in these papers are pretty decent. Are people making phone calls and writing letters as well?

:kick:

[meganmonkey]

192. Detroit News needs help!!

http://info.detnews.com/feedback/lettersindex

Bush 45.31%
Kerry 34.74%
Tie 19.95%

[meganmonkey]

193. Sorry my link was bad - try this

http://info.detnews.com/feedback/lettersindex.cfm

[GoddessOfGuinness]

194. Here's a WP Poll...

It's not directly debate-linked; but it's got Bush favored 50% to Kerry's 47%...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/politics/polls/

[thecrow]

195. Wilmington DE News Journal NEEDS HELP!!!!

Wilmington DE News Journal: http://www.delawareonline.com/newsjournal

[waldnorm]

196. These Four Need Help

Detroit News: http://tinyurl.com/5ntw9

Denver Post: http://tinyurl.com/56q8l

America Online: http://tinyurl.com/4fu98

MSNBC Poll (Hidden): ttp://tinyurl.com/3reuo

[waldnorm]

197. Sorry About that Last Link

http://tinyurl.com/3reuo

[lynne k]

212. Script-stuffable polls

interesting. The polls in which Bush is winning are the polls that can be easily stuffed by a single stubborn frequent voter staying up all night, or by a simple script.

It looks like most polls allow each unique IP address to vote only once. They show Kerry ahead by a large margin.

In most of the defective stuffable polls, it is as easy as this: vote, click the "back" button, vote again.
In the AOL poll, it looks like zealous cookie-erasing freepers can stuff the poll.
I don't think they're bright enough to write scripts, otherwise the numbers would be higher.

That means there are far more motivated individual Democrats out there voting than there are Republicans, which is something the freepers are realizing.

This is good; freepers are becoming demoralized as they realize how weak they truly are. They are even giving up on internet polls and fantasizing about conspiracy theories again.

Voting at internet polls is fine, satisfying, a show of strength. But once you've spent an hour clicking buttons, consider what you earn in an hour, and what that could do in the offline world.

Rather than bothering with these broken polls, email the webmasters and tell them their polls are probably being stuffed by lone revoters or scripts, which just create useless traffic. If the polls are fixed next time, the results will be different.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,0,36%257E29805%257E2453466,00.html
http://www.kotv.com/main/home/main.asp#polling
http://www.msmagazine.com/
http://info.detnews.com/feedback/lettersindex.cfm
http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/elections/article.adp?id=20041007132609990012

[lynne k]

215. another stuffpoll with bush ahead

the pattern is just too predictable. No wonder they want stuffable electronic voting machines for the Only Poll That Counts.

http://woai.com/news/national/

[Misunderestimator]

199. Detroit News Poll NEEDS HELP!

http://info.detnews.com/feedback/lettersindex.cfm

[Lorien]

201. Still way behind

n/t

[waldnorm]

200. Ms. Poll Needs to be "Un-Freeped"

They've been busy on this one this morning, went from 66% Kerry to 49% Kerry since 8 a.m. Pacific this morning (now 11:15 a.m. Pacific). Turn it back around:

http://www.msmagazine.com/debate2_poll.asp

[waldnorm]

202. Try Getting into the Poll . . .

From this page: http://www.msmagazine.com/

[NBachers]

204. Detroit News needs help; has great comments

The Detroit News http://info.detnews.com/feedback/lettersindex.cfm needs help, but it's got some of the most thoughtful and expressive comments I've seen anywhere. Check out the letter about Bush's manic obsessive jaw flexing!

[waldnorm]

205. CNN Needs Help!

It's been freeped, big time. This morning Kerry's lead has gone down from 77% to 50%! I'm referring to the one on www.cnn.com

[George 2]

206. Bush is way ahead in this poll - help out!

http://info.detnews.com/feedback/lettersindex.cfm

[lynne k]

213. Stuffable. But FreepCrush this one!

I'm pretty sure the DetNews poll is stuffable by lone revoters or scripts.

But the herald-mail poll (link below) appears legit - one IP address, one vote. It's low traffic, the Freepers noticed it and are hoping for table scraps. Put three hundred votes into it and watch what's left of FreeperPride wilt!

http://www.herald-mail.com/

[truthseeker1]

207. Couldn't find the Yahoo poll

Could only find a story on how Bush was "buoyed" by his performance at the debate!

[truthseeker1]

208. Rocky Mountain News, WSB Radio Atlanta, WKRC Cinncinatti - have Kerry up

Rocky Mountain News - Kerry up 89.8%!
WSB Radio Atlanta - Kerry up 79%!
WKRC Cincinnatti - Kerry up 70%!

[genius]

209. MS, Fox and the first CNN poll need lots of help. Also AOL

Remember to erase cookies on AOL, MS and CNN

[genius]

210. Someone save the initial results on the front page

I'm hoping that someone saves the intitial high results so that we can later use them for references. I'm borrowing a computer so I can't do it myself right now.

[MADem]

214. Needs some SERIOUS HELP

http://www.herald-mail.com/

[ralps]

217. Help!!! CNN Poll

Bush 56%
Kerry 42%
on 10/9 at 4:45 p.m.

[StrongbadTehAwesome]

218. the Detroit News poll needs help

Bush 44.59%
Kerry 33.74%
It was a tie 21.68%

[PerfectSage]

221. Re Detroit News

Re Detroit News. Bush is getting computer generated votes!!!!!

In less than 20 seconds the Bush vote total went from 44.3?% to over 44.6?%.

THAT IS NOT BEING DONE BY HUMANS. I'M 100% CERTAIN.

[waldnorm]

227. A Day Later, Bush Only Barely Ahead

http://info.detnews.com/feedback/lettersindex.cfm

Bush 41.74%
Kerry 38.39%
Tie 19.87%

Looks like the computer left, and voting's going on. This poll can be turned around!

Meantime, the Denver Post poll-- Seems Nader's votes have gotten static as the machines not driving his or Bush's up as they used to. Kerry is now at 31% (was at 22% early at Saturday morning). A bit of a climb, but doable, I think.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,0,36%257E29805%257E2453466,00.html

[PerfectSage]

228. Det News Bush Votes are computer generated

Been working on Det News. They did the computer generated Bush votes again. You need to delete cookies for Det News

I put in one vote: Kerry is at 39.02%
My second vote: Kerry is down to 38.85%
My third vote: Kerry is down to 38.85%
My forth vote: Kerry is down to 38.39% and the computer Bush votes stopped at 38.39%
And Bush's vote % is going up all the while.

[PerfectSage]

229. Det News Bush Votes are computer generated again 7:21pm

In about 1 minute:
My Vote 1 & Kerry @ 38.64%
My Vote 2 & Kerry @ 38.44%
My Vote 3 & Kerry @ 38.15%
My Vote 4 & Kerry @ 38.07%

[kerstin]

219. CNN home page poll

Don't look now, but Bush is winning by a healthy margin on the CNN home page poll. The Bush-backers must be deleting their browser cookies and voting over and over again!

[benito]

220. www.katc.com

finally put up their poll, and shrub is way in front.

Thank you for participating in our poll. Here are the results so far.
Bush
69%
Kerry
27%
Tie
4%

[kostya]

222. CNN Poll still up and NEEDS HELP!!

The CNN.com poll on the 2nd debate is still going on and our guy is now down big time. Get to work!!! :)

[Talisyn]

223. HTF MSNBC poll Needs Help

Poll posing the question "if the election was held today"
Choices: Bush, Kerry, Nader. Hard to find poll. Go to "Bush, Kerry back on Campaign trail", then scroll all the way to the bottom of "Bush Kerry Clash On Issues After Debate" to "Live Vote"
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6092749/

* is Way too far ahead here, folks!

[RebelOne]

224. Too late. Poll's over.

Guess they stopped it just when Bush had the lead.

[Talisyn]

225. I'm still able to access it

I can bring up the poll/choices. But I can't tell if the numbers are moving.

[TXlib]

226. What's the point?

These online informal polls are nothing more than "Battle of the Bots" anymore.

The morning after the second Presidential debate, CNN, poll showed Kerry leading by about 30%.

A few hours later, Bush had picked up about a half million votes, and was leading by 20%! And then Kerry started picking up votes quickly after that, but it was clear that geeks on both sides had bots doing the voting.

And based on the results, it looks like RW geeks have less of a real life than LW geeks.

Now, maybe some people think it's important as a "push-poll". Does anybody here think people look at the results of them and have their mind changed by it?

[waldnorm]

230. "Hidden CNN Poll" Freeped Now as well. . .

and since it was up this morning, likely also done by a computer. Kerry was up by something like 84% this morning. Over 100,000 votes have since been added.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004