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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:28 PM
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Why has Clark sealed his lobbyist & speaking fees records?
I thought many Clark supporters had all sorts of trouble with Dean not immediately unsealing his gubernatorial records in Vermont.

Are y'all going to be deserting the General over this issue, or are you confident that our favorite political cipher has nothing to hide?
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cavebat2000 Donating Member (347 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:30 PM
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1. Uh oh
Thats not good for Clark supporters if thats true.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:30 PM
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2. we'll unseal ours
if Dean unseals his

fair enough??

and please no "it's in the courts hands excuses"
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:30 PM
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3. Public records versus private records...
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 05:31 PM by SahaleArm
They should all be unsealed; now where can I get Dean's investment portfolio? All $5-million dollars.
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jpgpenn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:40 PM
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9. Bingo!
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:32 PM
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4. Well, you can see that the
Pee Wee Herman vote has weighed in:

We'll unseal ours if you unseal yours!

Wesley Clark. Setting a new tone for politics.

MOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! HE STARTED IT! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:33 PM
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5. Really - where did he say that? n/t
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:55 PM
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15. wind and sea's post.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:59 PM
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18. just quoting Mr Clean
I mean Dean...and seriously...I would advise Clark to out the speaking fees info...even though he was a private citizen

Gov Dean however has no such excuse
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:39 PM
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8. That Was Howard Dean Being Infantile- Not Clark
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:42 PM
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11. Dean is Pee wee Herman?
I mean...those are his words right??
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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:56 PM
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16. No, darling.
Did you stay up all night or something? Read your first post, then for goodness' sake, go get some rest.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:01 PM
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22. my darling Bkitty
do you not recall Dean saying something similar to my first post?

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bitchkitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:06 PM
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24. No, I don't. I don't suppose
you'd want to provide a link? Not Newsmax or Drudge.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:15 PM
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27. here you go darling
Dean said: "I'll unseal mine if he'll unseal his."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/03/elec04.prez.gop.dean.ap/
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retyred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 07:38 PM
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40. Zing!!!
LOL



retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”

So I read this book
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:19 PM
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28. chirp chirp....
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:40 PM
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33. chirpity chirp chirp
the silence is deafening

:eyes:
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:55 PM
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35. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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retyred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 07:35 PM
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39. And dean will unseal his when?
What happened to when bush unseals his?....Oh bush's aren't sealed? Gee howard.....LOL!

I agree with full disclosure, as long as it's across the board, if all the others will agree to open their personal financial records to scrutiny, I believe Clark will too.

I'm perfectly OK with this, are you?


retyred in fla
“Good-Night Paul, Wherever You Are”

So I read this book
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:39 PM
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6. There Was Already A Thread Where Clark Supporters
encouraged the campaign to release the info... about which colleges Clark spoke at.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:39 PM
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7. ask him if you want to know..
i had no trouble with dean. i really don`t hold candidates to the level of saints
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:42 PM
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10. I hate to point this out, but...
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:01 PM
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20. Is it really? The other one is about Kerry vs. Clark.
This one is about the hypocrisy of some Clark supporters.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 07:51 PM
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42. Same issue, dupe topic
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:47 PM
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12. Because he has secrets to hide and he's dishonest!
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:51 PM
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13. Stickdog You Posted On The Other Thread
why the need to start another one?

And you posted at the end of the thread... didn't you see all the Clark supporters suggestign the info go public?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:00 PM
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19. Don't tell me you're trying to get this thread sealed as well.
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 06:00 PM by stickdog
Like candidate, like supporter, eh?
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:55 PM
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34. Another thing I like about Clark supporters
They were objective and reasonable enough to say, "Of course he should release those records to the public."

Not every candidate's supporters would do that.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:53 PM
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14. Where Is Proof Clark Hasn't Unsealed Lobbying Records
Those are all public.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 05:57 PM
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17. Really? Where can I see them then?
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 05:57 PM by stickdog
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:01 PM
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21. are they?
Odd, that Senator Kerry doesn't think so, isn't it?
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:04 PM
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23. Show me where they are sealed
Clark did not seal them. There was no action to "seal" them. Kerry asked for further explanation, and I've no doubt you'll get one soon. I personally can't wait for Clark to break down his speaking engagements. And I'm glad Kerry brought it up. At least it will all be out in the open, and we won't have to wait for a judge to sort through them.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:21 PM
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29. Kerry Probably Wants To Read Clark's Speeches To Get Policy Ideas
:D
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funky_bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:25 PM
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30. Here here!
Good point! Thanks for the smile. I'm beginning to get so disillusioned with DU.
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kerryistheanswer Donating Member (249 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 07:28 PM
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38. Um...no. Kerry doesn't need Clark's ideas
He's got plenty of original, innovative ideas of his own. Wesley Clark does not come anywhere close to Kerry on policy.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:07 PM
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25. Clark doesn't want people to know he campaigned for the war w/ Powell
Edited on Sun Jan-11-04 06:35 PM by Tinoire
Wesley Clark at Davos, Switzerland

26 january 2003
Is The WEF Playing Host To "Secret Oil Meeting" To Carve Up The Iraqi Black Gold Cake?
Davos, Switzerland: As helicopters continue to bring Chief Executives and world leaders into the Swiss alpine resort of Davos for this year's meeting of the World Economic Forum (WEF), Friends of the Earth has been reliably informed by WEF participants that a "secret" meeting of top oil executives is scheduled to take place here this weekend. Friends of the Earth International - the world's largest grassroots environmental network - has today challenged the WEF to either deny that such a meeting is taking place, or to come clean on which companies and governments are taking part and what is being discussed.
US Secretary of State Colin Powell is addressing the WEF today amidst evident concern amongst many WEF business leaders and protests across Switzerland. However, many WEF attendees in the oil industry are set to benefit from an Iraq war.
A recent Deutsche Bank report indicated a potential conflict of interest amongst the permanent members of the United Nations Security Council over the commercial implications of war in Iraq. Baghdad Bazaar - Big Oil in Iraq was published last October but only came to light last week. It indicates that a regime change in Iraq would benefit US and UK oil companies while a peaceful resolution would benefit oil companies based in Russia, France and China:
<snip>
http://www.foei.org/media/2003/0126.html

===

Sunday, 26 January, 2003, 17:15 GMT
Powell fails to woo sceptics

Leading European figures say a speech by US Secretary of State Colin Powell warning that time is running out for Iraq to disarm has not persuaded them that a military strike is necessary.
<snip>
From the business community, Cem Kozlu, chairman of Turkish Airlines, said the message from Mr Powell was bleak.
"What Mr Powell said is that if there is evidence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq there will be war. And if there is no evidence, there will be war. That is bad news."

<snip>
Praise for Powell

But for the US, Wesley Clark, former Nato supreme allied commander for Europe, led the plaudits for Mr Powell's speech.
"He gave a very reasoned explanation of US policy," Mr Clark said. "It will help bring everyone together."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2696033.stm

====================================

Posted 07/02/2003
Titans of Davos: Cutting the Iraqi Oil Pile- Christopher Bollyln - The American Free Press
DAVOS, Switzerland—For 33 years, for one week every January, government leaders and the moguls of global business have convened here in this small ski town high in the Swiss Alps. While the mainstream media describes the World Economic Forum (WEF) as an event with a social focus, they know well that the real business of the conference is the private meetings of the global elite.

<snip>
On the final day of the conference, Wesley Clark, the former U.S. general who commanded the NATO campaign against Yugoslavia, explained how a U.S.-led assault against Iraq might develop. Clark attended the conference as managing director of the Stephens Group.

<snip>

The recently convicted currency speculator George Soros attended, along with the directors of Interpol, the European police force.

<snip>

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=492

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Davos still in the surreal world

<snip>

Up in Davos, though, the military-industrial complex was no laughing matter. Alongside leading political figures from Turkey, Saudi Arabia and the UN security council countries, top executives from BP, Shell, TotalFinaElf, and Lukoil were in Davos. So was the architect of the first Gulf war, General Colin Powell, the US secretary of state. General Wesley Clark, the former Supreme Allied Commander for Nato in Europe, turned up as well, to give a presentation on "military scenarios for a possible confrontation with Iraq".
While this group gathered in Davos, Friends of the Earth handed out a leaked Deutsche Bank analysts' report, entitled Baghdad Bazaar: Big Oil in Iraq. This frightening document lays out how different oil companies and countries could benefit from the replacement of Saddam's regime, and speculates on how different oil companies might be involved in post-war control of the Iraqi state oil company.

<snip>

http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,7843,883944,00.html

====

Wednesday, January 29, 2003
Opposition is confident it can build a coalition after Saddam
Mark Landler The New York Times Wednesday, January 29, 2003

DAVOS, Switzerland After five days suffused by fear and anger over the American push for war in Iraq, Europeans and Arabs attending the World Economic Forum spent their last day here talking about life after a conflict that few want, but most now believe is inevitable.
As the debate subtly shifted Tuesday, eight prominent members of the Iraqi opposition arrived, with impeccable timing, to sketch out a vision of their country following the ouster of Saddam Hussein.

<snip>

Before their presentation, the Iraqis had listened raptly to a military briefing on Iraq given by General Wesley Clark, the former NATO commander, who is rumored to be pondering a bid for the presidency.

Davos is worlds away from the grange halls of Iowa, but some Americans here remarked that Clark's three-day blitz of the conference looked suspiciously like the dress rehearsal for a campaign.

He was host at a cocktail party for young people. He spoke at a breakfast for senior journalists. And he gave the briefing, complete with giant maps of Iraq and an electronic pointer, for an overflow audience of business executives and public officials. He requested that journalists not report his remarks, as they were based only on "informed speculation."

<snip>

Clark, who directed the air war in Kosovo, has also expressed doubts about invading Iraq without a United Nations mandate. But he said he came to Davos to rally the allies in support of a campaign.

"I've told all the Europeans: They need to get on the team,"
he said. "It's better to be inside the tent than outside."
<snip>
http://www.iht.com/articles/84929.html

===

Resolving Conflicts 2: From Prevention to Pre-emption
27.01.2003
Annual Meeting 2003

This session on resolving conflicts was one of the few at the Annual Meeting in Davos this year not to be dominated by the prospect of US and allied war with Iraq, noted moderator Joseph S. Nye Jr, Dean, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, USA. That did not make it any more optimistic than other discussions. The roundtable discussion brought together Wesley Clark, Managing Director, The Stephens Group, USA, Sergei Karaganov, Chairman of the Board, Council on Foreign and Defence Policy, Institute of Europe, Russian Federation, Itamar Rabinovich, President, Tel Aviv University, Israel, and Sundeep Waslekar, President, Strategic Foresight Group, India - all experts on flashpoints in their regions. And among the prospects being considered is action by the US against North Korea for building up its nuclear weapons programme in secret.

<snip>

General Clark, former NATO supreme commander, was asked whether it wasn’t inconsistent of the United States to attack Iraq for development of weapons of mass destruction while holding off against North Korea?

"There is no necessary requirement for consistency in pre-emption," he replied.

Doesn’t that tell North Korea that it has won this game of deterrence? "The military option cannot be taken off the table," Clark responded. But he also underlined that the US policy to North Korea is clear: "We don’t want the government to collapse. We don’t want South Koreans to adopt the North Koreans. We won’t want a war."
http://www.weforum.org/site/knowledgenavigator.nsf/Content/Resolving%20Conflicts%202:%20From%20Prevention%20to%20Pre-emption_2003?open&event_id=

===

An Iraqi opposition leader Hoshyar Zebani who met General Wesley Clark at the World Economic Forum in Davos has said that the US expects to remain in Iraq for 8 years post-invasion. ((remember Kucinich’s casual mention to Clark during one of the debates that Clark had worked on the plans for the occupation of Iraq))
http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:rNgU5fvc1kcJ:www.srcf.ucam.org/camsaw/Resources/2003/Moral_war_myth.doc+%22wesley+Clark%22++Davos+powell&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

==

But what he says, and the way he says it, doesn't always endear him to his audience -- especially when he's improvising. Last January, I saw Clark give a 45-minute presentation on how he thought the war in Iraq would unfold. As long as he was up there with his map and light pen, talking about JDAMs and phase lines and whatnot, he was magnificant. But when it came time to answer questions -- to talk with, instead of at, the audience -- Clark bombed.

Part of it was what he said, which was in essence: The U.S. is going to war, the president has made his decision, so you'd better just get used to it. This to a European audience, mind you, one heavily salted with Franco-Germans. Clark actually told them -- I swear I am not making this up -- that they had an obligation to support the war, because "that's the democratic process."

You can imagine how big that went over.
And it wasn't just what he said, it was how he said it. Intentional or not, Clark has that cocky, blunt American attitude that so often grates on the nerves of Europeans (and foreigners in general.) And he made no noticeable effort to tone it down. In fact, it looked to me like Clark irritated the crowd almost as much as Colin Powell, who also spoke at the conference. And that's saying something.

http://billmon.org/archives/000582.html
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Clark4Prez Donating Member (507 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:07 PM
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26. They're not "sealed"
They're not sealed at all, Clark was booked through a speaking bureau, which is the way most people who do public speaking get jobs. If you took the time to understand it, then your reactionary post would never have been written. But since you brought it up, let's talk about Dean, speaking fees, and conflict of interests.

Unlike like Gov Dean, Clark was a private citizen when he took speaking fees. Dean took fees from companies he was responsible for overseeing.

Funny how those blinders work, huh?
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:25 PM
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31. You are the one with blinders. Dean has a long record in Vermont.
Anybody can examine it.

Clark is a political cipher who is trying to hide how he earned his millions over the last couple of years.
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:57 PM
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36. I know some reporters who want to examine the nuke papers
So you are saying Dean should have unsealed them, right?
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 06:25 PM
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32.  "Dean said: "I'll unseal mine if he'll unseal his."
of course this little foot in mouth was before he was informed chimpy's TX gov records were unsealed

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/12/03/elec04.prez.gop.dean.ap/

I hope he says the same to Clark

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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 07:21 PM
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37. chirpity chirp
where did everbody go??

I thought this was important??
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-11-04 07:46 PM
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41. congrats for swallowing the GOP lies hook line and sinker
of course this little foot in mouth was before he was informed chimpy's TX gov records were unsealed

Bush's gubernatorial records are not available to the public. read the whole article.

``Bush's gubernatorial documents are in the custody of the Texas State Library and Archives Commission and most of them are open under Texas public record laws. After Bush's term as governor ended, the documents were sent to his father's presidential library at Texas A&M University. The documents were moved back to archive them.''

also read this commentary:

``...
When Dubya left office in Texas in 2000, he shipped his gubernatorial records to his daddy’s presidential library on the campus of Texas A&M. According to Texas State Archivist Chris LaPlante, they were totally inaccessible to the public. There was no staff to catalogue them, said Laplante. And since “They were physically in a federal facility, they were subject to federal, rather than Texas, public-records law.”

After complaints were made, said LaPlante, the attorney general ruled they should be shipped to the state archive for cataloguing. The Bush records arrived in Austin in August 2002. According to LaPlante, it’s going to take another three years to complete the cataloguing. Then they’ll be shipped back to daddy’s library.

By Tuesday everybody, including two of Dean’s Democratic rivals, was piling on. The New York Times’ Jodi Wilgoren reported that “Mr. Bush’s Texas records were moved back to state custody after a ruling from the attorney general, and an archivist for the state said the Bush records were available for viewing.”

Archivist LaPlante called the above statement in the Times story “deceiving.” While the Bush records are officially “viewable,” said LaPlante, actually viewing them is another matter.

“They’re technically accessible,” said LaPlante, “but you might not get everything you ask for, even if we can find it.”

In Montpelier, Vermont, opposition researchers have been able to look through most of Gov. Dean’s records box by box. But in Texas, said LaPlante, a member of the public is not allowed to do so.
...''
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43. Locking....this is a dupe
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