Kucinich confronts Dean on TV tonight on his "only Dean" antiwar flyer?

[cryofan]

PORTSMOUTH NH- Supporters of Rep. Dennis Kucinich’s campaign for president are challenging Howard Dean’s claim that only he "opposed the war from the start," but the Dean campaign dismisses Kucinich, along with former Sen. Carol Moseley Braun and the Rev. Al Sharpton, as minor candidates.

Dean is circulating pamphlets featuring the bold-faced headline, "Only Dean opposed the war from the start," prompting a flurry of e-mails from the Kucinich camp to media outlets.

Dean spokesman Matthew Gardner concedes that Kucinich, Braun and Sharpton have all consistently opposed the war, but "Gov. Dean is the only major candidate to have specifically stood up to President Bush on Iraq."

....


"It’s a misrepresentation," Kucinich said. "This does a disservice to the people of New Hampshire by falsely representing his position, and he’s misrepresenting my position, too."



http://www.seacoastonline.com/news/01112004/news/69841.htm



So, I wonder if Kucinich will bring a copy of the flyer to the debate tonight (televised on MSNBC) and confront Dean on his claims?

[maddezmom]

1. won't get to see the debate

hope CSPAN will rerun it.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

2. Missed the debate... did he? he should have exposed the lie

Look at this statement...
"Gov. Dean is the only major candidate to have specifically stood up to President Bush on Iraq."

Well tell that to the UNDECIDED VOTERS you lied to with your flyer.

TWL

[tameszu]

3. What is up with the Dean campaign and its BS attack flyers?

Is this Dean and his supporters mean by "changing the way we do politics in America?" Our mud is cleaner because we pay for them with more money raised over the Internet than you do?

[Zomby Woof]

4. ZombyDKick

[Printer70]

5. Ignore Kucinich

Dean is talking about major candidates who stand a chance of winning the primary. He can't afford to get into petty squabbles with the Kucinich campaign (or Sharpton, for that matter). Kucinich's relevance hinges on Dean's acknowledging his existence. There's no need to give him that satisfaction. Sorry Kucinich campaign- but K's campaign is just a stalking horse against Dean.

[exotrip]

7. well

did you hear that Kucinich supporters? Your canidate does not matter. Now, put away your brains and let the nice men on TV pick your canidate for you.

[adadem]

8. OMG

I cannot believe what I have just read. Kucinich is not irrevelant...in the House nor in this primary. How pompous and arrogant.

[iowapeacechief]

9. I'll remember this at my caucus!

"Kucinich's relevance hinges on Dean's acknowledging his existence."


I'll remember this when my Dean friends invite me to join them for the second round. Not that I expect Kucinich won't be viable, but I've been shopping for my second choice, just in case.

I just came from a Kerry rally where THAT candidate told me how much he respects Dennis and what a great affinity WE should feel for the Kerry cause.

[happyiowan]

16. Kerry camp would love to have you

I love DK and would caucus for him if I weren't thinking very pragmatically about November. I know you'd get a lot of respect from the Kerry supporters in my neighborhood.

[iowapeacechief]

22. I plan to caucus for Dennis, but...

I am thinking pragmatically, too. That's why I'm shopping for my backup option.

See my post at http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=107152&mesg_id=112653

I respect your choice but encourage you to consider helping Dennis be viable at your caucus. I see that as a good investment toward winning in November!

[Melinda]

12. YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR THIS DEAN SUPPORTER!!!

I LOVE everything about Dennis Kucinich and would be thrilled if he became the nominee. I'm simply aghast that such vitrolic hyperbole is emanating from one claiming to support Dr. Dean.

I hope Kucinich supporters look at that post with a very critical eye and see what I see. I'm very, very ashamed, and lacking sufficient words to do more than apologize.

:thumbsdown:

[iowapeacechief]

17. Thanks, Melinda!

I feel warmly toward most Dean supporters, too. Your movement cannot be denied its achievements. We could be together soon enough...behind Dennis, I'd hope! (As a kucitizen, I had to add that.)

[Tinoire]

24. You don't need to apologize Melinda!

We KNOW you from way back and know what your beliefs are.

People like you make the Dean machine move!

[JohnKleeb]

32. thanks Melinda

Appreciate it, I was gonna be a wisecrack but I know theres a lot more good than jerks like that.

[REP]

6. He Was Referring to Major Candidates

Lyndon LaRouche was also against this war, but you don't see that many people getting upset that hus name gets omitted. I understand to that Kucinich's small cadre of devoted supporters he is a major candidate - as is Lyndon LaRouche to his supporters. Doesn't make it so.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

14. Oh.. since he did not say that

We only have defenders assumptions that is what he meant.

Undecided voters are being LIED to that is the long and short of it.
An undecided voter sees 9 candidates, maybe more, when Dean says ONLY, he means none of the others.

TWL

[sangh0]

15. "Straight talk" requires interpretation

What Dean actually said is not nearly as important as what his supporters say Dean actually meant.

Hey, I think I'm beginning to get this straight talk!!

[Mairead]

20. And Kucinich is a major candidate

It seems to me that you have an agenda, and that it apparently demands that you deny reality. But nature cannot be fooled. Despite all the relentless efforts by the corporate media to sell us Howard Dean, the crypto-GOP, Bush-Lite champion of the corporatist status quo, Dennis Kucinich has continued and will continue to advance.

Unlike Lyndon LaRouche--or Howard Dean--DK has won about 20 of the 30 elections in which he's stood, several against intrenched GOP incumbents. Unlike LaRouche, DK is the elected co-chair of the largest congressional caucus -- the only caucus Paul Wellstone voluntarily joined. Unlike LaRouche--or Howard Dean, I believe--DK has a record of saving hundreds of millions of dollars, several hospitals, and (I think) at least one steel mill for his constituents. Those are all marks of a major candidate, unless you're an acolyte of the Ted Koppel Money Is Everything school.

The corporatocracy might win, with help from people who spend most of their time thinking about how to justify the decisions that the corporatocracy has fed them, but only AINOs will take pride in it if it happens.

[Renew Deal]

10. Now I can spill my secret.

As many people know, I was in NH and found out about this from the Kucinich people. The one thing I didn't tell you was that Dennis himself had a copy all along. He has had one from the start and apparently he was holding it.

[ThirdWheelLegend]

11. Maybe Dennis was being polite.

He wanted to give Dean misstatement defense the time to recover. The first of Dean's lies in the N.H. TV ad, Dennis was just trying to be nice so that they could rest their tongues to say the word "major" over and over and over. Apparently since Dean DIDN'T use that word.


TWL

[DoveTurnedHawk]

13. More Dean Arrogance and Lies

How can anyone be surprised by now?

DTH

[mzmolly]

18. Arrogance and Lies?? *yup* but not by Dean.

Did you see a confrontation on Sunday's debate? I didn't.

Arrogance and Lies is right.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

19. Lies About Kucinich (Again), Arrogance About "Major" Candidates

Par for the course, for Howard Dean.

DTH

[loyalsister]

21. DK should choose his battles better

He would be more wise to look to the 2004 congressional session. If Dean gets elected he will work on health care. If DK truly cares about it he would prepare for that battle in the house. Dean said he would sign single payer if it came across his desk. Why isn't DK thinking about getting it or SOMETHING done in the house???
I know he doesn't prefer Dean's policy on Iraq, but there are some things on his agenda that he might be able to get done if he would focus his attention in a direction where he will actually have a chance of doing it. It's not as if he would be helpless on Iraq in the House. He should work on getting on the committees where he can get the things done legislatively on his presidential agenda. We have a chance tp take back the House and he might be able to accomplish something there. He needs to focus his attention on the battles he can fight where he actually has some power. This shrill campaign is going nowhere and is going to do nothing but help torpedo the only major candidate who is calling the Pukes on the carpet and controlling the dialogue.

[iowapeacechief]

29. "Shrill campaign going nowhere"?

That can't be DJK you're dismissing so witlessly.

As for the Ohio House seat, he has filed and has that base covered.

[snoochie]

34. Dean will work on insurance - more taxpayer subsidies to private companies

NOT health care. NOT single payer.

Saying he'll sign it 'if it comes across his desk' is a wimpy cop-out. If he was prepared to lead on the issue, he could do better than that (remember Clinton's promises to work for and sign a 'fairness doctrine' bill?). We've been lied to by compromising centrists before, thanks. I'm not about to cast my lot with another lying centrist.

Kucinich is the ONLY candidate who will work hard for he ONLY solution to America's healthcare problem: single payer, universale health care (NOT insurance).

He is also the ONLY candidate who will rescue American workers from the destructive effects of 'free trade' (read: investor protection) agreements - both existing and planned (CAFTA).

As such, I won't be agreeing with you anytime soon that Kucinich should choose his battles 'better'. I'll be saying that people who agree with Kucinich's platform should pick their battles better, and vote their conscience in the primaries.

[iowapeacechief]

23. Actually TONIGHT (Tuesday the 13th)!

Just posted to Kucinich4President group at yahoo.com:


Date: Tue Jan 13, 2004 4:45 pm
Subject: Jan 13th - Dennis on Blitzer tonight!

Just got a call from the campaign manager – Dennis is in a CNN car at this moment on his way to the CNN studios to appear on Wolf Blitzer’s show tonight – to respond to Dean (again) re Dean being the only candidate who has stood against the War on Iraq.

Claudia Slate
Virtual Outreach Coordinator
Kucinich for President
www.kucinich.us

[Tinoire]

26. Good for Dennis and I'm sure Dean will respond properly

Nothing to get too upset about, this is just politics & marketting as usual.

I don't like it but I won't hate Dean for it.

Trippi is slime but unfortunately the game is politics.



Progressive Dean supporting friends at DU who been honest and supportive, this will not drive a wedge between us!

[maddezmom]

27. let us know how it goes

don't get it here.

[Cuban_Liberal]

25. Kucinich is not a major candidate.

At best, he's a fringe candidate of the far leftDemocrats with Green overtones. He needs to move on to a substantive issue, and quit whining about this.

[Tinoire]

28. Viva la Revolucion!

Right? :shrug:

[Constitution]

30. Dennis is the only candidate for those who put integrity and truth first

He has stood up for the truth from the beginning. Dean has had nothing more than a campaign of lies.

[Cuban_Liberal]

33. Who mentioned Dean?

All I said was that Kucinich is a marginal candidate with marginal support.:shrug:

[revcarol]

31. What time is the debate?

And will someone please start a thread and report on what the candidates actually say? Purty pleez? (No TV)

We have one liar in the WH. NO to another one!! One has cost Iraqi lives, and U. S. lives. Dean will cost Iraqi lives and U. S. lives. Ain't gonna go there.

[XanaDUer]

35. Kick!

:kick:

[isbister]

36. H. CON. RES. 101

Hmmm... I see Kucinich's name on there as clear as day.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c108:3:./temp/~c108UGD01M::